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Mr Angry 21-12-2014 18:24
Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview.
 
Another one bites the dust.

"Ukip has expelled a councillor for what were described as "jaw-dropping" comments made in a TV interview.

A party source told Kent Online that there was no hesitation in expelling Rozanne Duncan, councillor for Thanet, following the comments.

It is not known exactly what her remarks were or what programme the interview was for. It has not yet been broadcast."


Independent.

ianch99 22-12-2014 18:13
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
How many is this now? Can't be many of them left :)

papa smurf 22-12-2014 18:17
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35747992)
How many is this now? Can't be many of them left :)
what boooooring threads about ukip candidates -there will be lots until after the election then it will all go quiet again .

ianch99 22-12-2014 18:19
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
No boring at all. It is good to show people what sort of candidates and members UKIP has ..

Hugh 22-12-2014 18:24
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what boooooring threads about ukip candidates -there will be lots until after the election then it will all go quiet again .


;)

Hugh 22-12-2014 18:44
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UKIP Chairman in Scotland thinks he's Bryan Mills...... :D

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/Content...onents-4847929

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He told the Mail on Sunday: “You’ll appreciate from my background I have a network of people who have a range of skills.

Russ 22-12-2014 20:32
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35748000)
No boring at all. It is good to show people what sort of candidates and members UKIP has ..
Exactly especially given how many they fooled with their "we're ordinary people" gimmick. This bunch of jokers need their true natures exposed.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 20:50
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
so what exactly has she said

Dave42 22-12-2014 20:53
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
my money is on it being another racist ukip comment

papa smurf 22-12-2014 21:05
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its difficult to judge this type of crime especially when there is no evidence but lets not let the lack of information get in the way of justice lets get the gallows built before someone comes along and spoils the fun .

Mr Angry 22-12-2014 21:22
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748035)
so what exactly has she said

"Rozanne Duncan is understood to have used highly racially offensive language during filming for a BBC documentary to be broadcast in February."

papa smurf 22-12-2014 21:33
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any facts ? is there a transcript or any other credible evidence ,we are all eager to to pull the lever and complete this lynching don't keep the mob waiting .

Russ 22-12-2014 21:40
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
They're not going to expel her for burping a bit loud...

Mr Angry 22-12-2014 21:41
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748056)
any facts ? is there a transcript or any other credible evidence ,we are all eager to to pull the lever and complete this lynching don't keep the mob waiting .
Yes, here are a few facts:

1: She's been kicked out of the party for bringing it into disrepute.

2: There is a recorded transcript currently held by the BBC.

3: She has 28 days to appeal her expulsion.

4: Nobody has proposed a "lynching".

5: See 1.


I hope that helps.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 21:44
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748059)
They're not going to expel her for burping a bit loud...
is that a fact? - is that the whole case for the prosecution

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748060)
Yes, here are a few facts:

1: She's been kicked out of the party for bringing it into disrepute.

2: There is a recorded transcript currently held by the BBC.

3: She has 28 days to appeal her expulsion.

4: Nobody has proposed a "lynching".

5: See 1.


I hope that helps.
well its going to mes up the lynching.. having to wait for the facts is a little inconvenient

Pierre 22-12-2014 21:48
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748031)
Exactly especially given how many they fooled with their "we're ordinary people" gimmick. This bunch of jokers need their true natures exposed.
If you think any of the other mainstream parties candidates for councils around the country are all pillars of society, I would wager they are not.

We don't even know what she said yet?

Has she belittled any working class white van men yet?

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748060)
Yes, here are a few facts:

1: She's been kicked out of the party for bringing it into disrepute.

2: There is a recorded transcript currently held by the BBC.

3: She has 28 days to appeal her expulsion.

4: Nobody has proposed a "lynching".

5: See 1.


I hope that helps.
So nothing yet then, I'lol wait until I read what she actually said, and in what context before I judge anything.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 21:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748065)
If you think any of the other mainstream parties candidates for councils around the country are all pillars of society, I would wager they are not.

We don't even know what she said yet?

Has she belittled any working class white van men yet?
this is not how the court of popular opinion works -she's guilty by association with Nigel Farage

Mr Angry 22-12-2014 21:59
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748069)
this is not how the court of popular opinion works -she's guilty by association with Nigel Farage
On a point of fact I think you'll find whatever it is she has allegedly been found guilty of, she's been found guilty of it by Mr Farage and his party - not the court of popular opinion.

Hugh 22-12-2014 22:00
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748069)
this is not how the court of popular opinion works -she's guilty by association with Nigel Farage
Strange - I thought it was UKIP that had expelled her, not anyone in this thread or the media?

papa smurf 22-12-2014 22:06
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748073)
On a point of fact I think you'll find whatever it is she has allegedly been found guilty of, she's been found guilty of it by Mr Farage and his party - not the court of popular opinion.
the facts are that you don't have the facts to hand because the bbc has the recording and will not air it till February

Mr Angry 22-12-2014 22:11
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748075)
the facts are that you don't have the facts to hand because the bbc has the recording and will not air it till February
The facts are Mr Farage saw fit to expel her from his party. You should perhaps seek to question him on the reasons for his having done so.

Russ 22-12-2014 22:16
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748075)
the facts are that you don't have the facts to hand because the bbc has the recording and will not air it till February
Do you believe she's been expelled by the party?

papa smurf 22-12-2014 22:19
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748077)
The facts are Mr Farage saw fit to expel her from his party. You should perhaps seek to question him on the reasons for his having done so.
i clearly don't know him as well as you do perhaps you could ask him what the facts are ,this would have perhaps been a good idea before starting a thread without any facts :(

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748080)
Do you believe she's been expelled by the party?
it doesn't matter what i think i'm not judging her without evidence of wrong doing

Pierre 22-12-2014 22:20
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748073)
On a point of fact I think you'll find whatever it is she has allegedly been found guilty of, she's been found guilty of it by Mr Farage and his party - not the court of popular opinion.
No doubt they're very objective and fair minded, I look forward to reading what happened.

Mr Angry 22-12-2014 22:23
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748083)
i clearly don't know him as well as you do perhaps you could ask him what the facts are ,this would have perhaps been a good idea before starting a thread without any facts :(
The thread title is "Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview".

That is, coincidentally, a fact.

Pierre 22-12-2014 22:27
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35748088)
The thread title is "Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview".

That is, coincidentally, a fact.
Well, I don't know what it takes to drop your jaw?

That may be an " opinion" bit and not a " factual" bit - I know you like to be correct and all that. The expels bit is Potentially true.

papa smurf 22-12-2014 22:40
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748090)
Well, I don't know what it takes to drop your jaw?

That may be an " opinion" bit and not a " factual" bit - I know you like to be correct and all that. The expels bit is Potentially true.
so potentially
UKIP COUNCILLOR EXPELLED PENDING APPEAL

details to follow in February .

Hugh 23-12-2014 07:27
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I look forward to this assiduous devotion to factual reportage when members of other parties have alleged peccadilloes reported in the media.... ;)

Mr Angry 23-12-2014 07:27
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748098)
so potentially
UKIP COUNCILLOR EXPELLED PENDING APPEAL
Nothing "potentially" about it. It's a fact.

Stop It 23-12-2014 07:50
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748098)
so potentially
UKIP COUNCILLOR EXPELLED PENDING APPEAL

details to follow in February .
Are you a politician?

You'd do well as one with such intellectual dishonesty as this.

I'll remember to bring this up whenever a Lab/Lib member gets a similar charge and note if you judge them before they're found guilty too.

papa smurf 23-12-2014 08:19
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Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35748134)
Are you a politician?

You'd do well as one with such intellectual dishonesty as this.

I'll remember to bring this up whenever a Lab/Lib member gets a similar charge and note if you judge them before they're found guilty too.
is it dishonest now to wait for the evidence to emerge before passing judgement on the alleged event .

Russ 23-12-2014 08:44
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748138)
is it dishonest now to wait for the evidence to emerge before passing judgement on the alleged event .
UKIP have confirmed she was expelled, what further evidence of it happening are you hoping for?

papa smurf 23-12-2014 08:54
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748140)
UKIP have confirmed she was expelled, what further evidence of it happening are you hoping for?
but that's only half of the story its the why that is the important bit there are certain allegations doing the rounds but as yet no firm evidence of why has been produced, and the expulsion is subject to appeal should she wish to take the option . i'm still in favor of a stay of execution until the facts are produced ..

Russ 23-12-2014 09:01
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OK so you agree that UKIP expelled her for something, am I right about that?

papa smurf 23-12-2014 09:13
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748142)
OK so you agree that UKIP expelled her for something, am I right about that?
i'm not a member of said organisation so i cannot comment on what they may or may not have done in respect of this alleged incident ,i am prepared to wait until the evidence if there is any emerges ,i mean for all i know she may have had some kind of mental breakdown or what she allegedly said may have been taken out of context ,this could be just a storm in a tea cup for all i know or the crime of the century but until the evidence emerges there is no point in guessing .

Russ 23-12-2014 09:28
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748143)
i'm not a member of said organisation so i cannot comment on what they may or may not have done in respect of this alleged incident ,i am prepared to wait until the evidence if there is any emerges ,i mean for all i know she may have had some kind of mental breakdown or what she allegedly said may have been taken out of context ,this could be just a storm in a tea cup for all i know or the crime of the century but until the evidence emerges there is no point in guessing .
Ukip have confirmed they expelled her, what further evidence do you need to upgrade your opinion from "what they may or may not have done"?

papa smurf 23-12-2014 09:46
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748146)
Ukip have confirmed they expelled her, what further evidence do you need to upgrade your opinion from "what they may or may not have done"?
all of the evidence pertaining to the alleged incident - as i understand it the BBC may have a copy of an interview with the accused which they say will be aired in February. i don't see that truth would profit from speculating what may or may not have transpired in this alleged incident , best just to wait and see what the beeb have before passing judgement , this woman may even have a legal case to bring to the party who knows , lets wait and see in February

martyh 23-12-2014 10:42
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748148)
all of the evidence pertaining to the alleged incident - as i understand it the BBC may have a copy of an interview with the accused which they say will be aired in February. i don't see that truth would profit from speculating what may or may not have transpired in this alleged incident , best just to wait and see what the beeb have before passing judgement , this woman may even have a legal case to bring to the party who knows , lets wait and see in February
All that's happening in febuary is that the documentary is being aired ,i doubt very much that the BBC will air the "jaw dropping racist comments" .The fact that UKIP immediately and "without hesitation" expelled her as soon as they where informed of the comments says everything really ,unless UKIP are in the habit of expelling members under false allegations.Also she has not as yet availed herself of her right of appeal ,again something that speaks volumes.

On a side note this episode and others like it kind of explains why Cameron wasn't that bothered over the defections ,those kind of people are a liability to any party

Stop It 23-12-2014 10:47
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748138)
is it dishonest now to wait for the evidence to emerge before passing judgement on the alleged event .
The evidence has emerged and UKIP has acted on it.

The fact that YOU have not seen it isn't relevant. She has committed an act that has resulted in those who have seen it to call her actions "Jaw Dropping" and the UKIP leadership have expelled her from the party.

You're dancing around semantics and that is very much intellectual dishonesty. Again, I shall remember how you have acted in this instance.

Edit: Calling this an "Alleged" incident shows how removed from reality you are. The incident is on tape and will be shown. There is no allegations to be made, and there is evidence on file and seen by those who needed to do so already. Again, just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it any less real.

papa smurf 23-12-2014 10:56
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748158)
All that's happening in febuary is that the documentary is being aired ,i doubt very much that the BBC will air the "jaw dropping racist comments" .The fact that UKIP immediately and "without hesitation" expelled her as soon as they where informed of the comments says everything really ,unless UKIP are in the habit of expelling members under false allegations.Also she has not as yet availed herself of her right of appeal ,again something that speaks volumes.

On a side note this episode and others like it kind of explains why Cameron wasn't that bothered over the defections ,those kind of people are a liability to any party
well that's interesting to know as a none ukip member with no access to inner party politics i would have no way of knowing that ..its good that a member of the ukip inner sanctum has come forward and put us all straight:tu: how long have you been a member and do you have any more tidbits of information

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Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35748159)
The evidence has emerged and UKIP has acted on it.

The fact that YOU have not seen it isn't relevant. She has committed an act that has resulted in those who have seen it to call her actions "Jaw Dropping" and the UKIP leadership have expelled her from the party.

You're dancing around semantics and that is very much intellectual dishonesty. Again, I shall remember how you have acted in this instance.

Edit: Calling this an "Alleged" incident shows how removed from reality you are. The incident is on tape and will be shown. There is no allegations to be made, and there is evidence on file and seen by those who needed to do so already. Again, just because you haven't seen it doesn't make it any less real.
thank you judge dread :rolleyes: i look forward to my trial and execution

martyh 23-12-2014 11:25
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748161)
well that's interesting to know as a none ukip member with no access to inner party politics i would have no way of knowing that ..its good that a member of the ukip inner sanctum has come forward and put us all straight:tu: how long have you been a member and do you have any more tidbits of information
As a serving councillor she is obliged to inform her electorate what she will be doing and as yet as far as i can see she has just disappeared without comment

papa smurf 23-12-2014 11:32
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748167)
As a serving councillor she is obliged to inform her electorate what she will be doing and as yet as far as i can see she has just disappeared without comment
she has 28 days to launch an appeal have you considered she and her legal team may be putting a case together or that she may have already done so and forgot to inform you .

martyh 23-12-2014 11:36
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748168)
she has 28 days to launch an appeal have you considered she and her legal team may be putting a case together or that she may have already done so and forgot to inform you .
Your grasping at straws now ,she hasn't announced anything ,she has (according to Kent online) been unavailable for comment so it is very unlikely that there will be any appeal or even a "legal team":rolleyes:

papa smurf 23-12-2014 11:44
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748169)
Your grasping at straws now ,she hasn't announced anything ,she has (according to Kent online) been unavailable for comment so it is very unlikely that there will be any appeal or even a "legal team":rolleyes:
so in your world no comment[at this time ] means no appeal or defense -

Stop It 23-12-2014 11:49
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748168)
she has 28 days to launch an appeal have you considered she and her legal team may be putting a case together or that she may have already done so and forgot to inform you .
Or, you know, she might not have a case?

Very quick to defend this person aren't you despite little reason other than being a UKIP member. Funny how you refuse to criticise those who you like yet do not afford that privilege to those who you don't.

Russ 23-12-2014 11:52
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Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35748178)
Or, you know, she might not have a case?

Very quick to defend this person aren't you despite little reason other than being a UKIP member. Funny how you refuse to criticise those who you like yet do not afford that privilege to those who you don't.
What he means is he's been shot down for having no evidence about things in the past and wants to try the same thing to others now despite some facts about this (such as her being expelled) being confirmed and other parts being printed by reputable and usually-right sources.

papa smurf 23-12-2014 11:58
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Originally Posted by Stop It (Post 35748178)
Or, you know, she might not have a case?

Very quick to defend this person aren't you despite little reason other than being a UKIP member. Funny how you refuse to criticise those who you like yet do not afford that privilege to those who you don't.
how would i know that i have not seen the alleged evidence

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748179)
What he means is he's been shot down for having no evidence about things in the past and wants to try the same thing to others now despite some facts about this (such as her being expelled) being confirmed and other parts being printed by reputable and usually-right sources.
:rofl:

Hugh 23-12-2014 12:06
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To be fair, Thanet UKIP have form.... ;)

Grauniad
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Nigel Farage’s local Ukip branch has rebuked the BBC for its ingrained liberal bias in holding a straw poll on the party leader in front of a London mosque. The mosque in question was Westminster Cathedral.

martyh 23-12-2014 12:09
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748181)
how would i know that i have not seen the alleged evidence
because her comments led to her immediate and "without hesitation" expulsion ,Ukip leaders thought the comments where that bad

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748172)
so in your world no comment[at this time ] means no appeal or defense -
Usually ,yes .For somone in her position to not offer any defence or explanation usually speaks volumes

papa smurf 23-12-2014 12:17
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i know that it may be an alien concept to some of you but i prefer to wait for the whole truth and the available evidence [if it exists ]before i pass judgement. but don't mind me you just carry on after all she's a member or even x member of ukip which to some is an offence itself .

Russ 23-12-2014 12:20
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I guess there's a first time for everything..... :eek:

martyh 23-12-2014 12:23
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748187)
i know that it may be an alien concept to some of you but i prefer to wait for the whole truth and the available evidence [if it exists ]before i pass judgement. but don't mind me you just carry on after all she's a member or even x member of ukip which to some is an offence itself .
comming from you that is laughable .

The evidence was presented to the people who matter they found her guilty and promptly administered appropriate punishment ,if you can't understand that simple concept then there's no point discussing this any further with you

Stop It 23-12-2014 12:23
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748187)
i know that it may be an alien concept to some of you but i prefer to wait for the whole truth and the available evidence [if it exists ]before i pass judgement. but don't mind me you just carry on after all she's a member or even x member of ukip which to some is an offence itself .
I take it self awareness isn't a strong suit of yours.

Still, I fully expect that once you see what the full facts at hand that you'll be the first to pass on your totally unbiased judgement on the matter? :)

papa smurf 23-12-2014 12:43
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i'm available for more insults if any one else feels it will bolster their position ;)

Pierre 23-12-2014 19:39
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What's she said then?

Damien 23-12-2014 20:01
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748301)
What's she said then?
That's what I want to know. Must be pretty bad....

Pierre 23-12-2014 20:39
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We've got to 4 pages and no one actually knows what was said?

papa smurf 23-12-2014 20:46
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748311)
We've got to 4 pages and no one actually knows what was said?
that doesn't seem to matter to most who have posted

Mal 23-12-2014 20:49
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748312)
that doesn't seem to matter to most who have posted
It mattered to UKIP, who expelled her...

papa smurf 23-12-2014 20:53
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Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35748314)
It mattered to UKIP, who expelled her...
yes it did but they aren't on this forum giving us the benefit of what they did it for .

martyh 23-12-2014 21:10
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748312)
that doesn't seem to matter to most who have posted
Because it doesn't matter ,what matters is that UKIP felt the comments where wrong and did not fit in with UKIPs views.

Osem 23-12-2014 21:11
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Never heard of her but I doubt what she said is as serious as many an act committed by any number of MPs and Lords, many of whom wriggled and squirmed to hide the truth and/or avoid justice like maggots trying to avoid a hook.

martyh 23-12-2014 21:19
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35748319)
Never heard of her but I doubt what she said is as serious as many an act committed by any number of MPs and Lords, many of whom wriggled and squirmed to hide the truth and/or avoid justice like maggots trying to avoid a hook.
Probably not and what a lot of people are missing is the speed in which UKIP dealt with the issue which regardless of allegience has to be commended

Pierre 23-12-2014 22:09
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748318)
Because it doesn't matter ,what matters is that UKIP felt the comments where wrong and did not fit in with UKIPs views.
It does matter, as only an idiot would make an uninformed judgement of the situation surely?

martyh 23-12-2014 22:22
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748326)
It does matter, as only an idiot would make an uninformed judgement of the situation surely?
who's made an uninformed judgement ?? The UKIP leaders would have had all the facts with which to make a judgement .It doesn't matter to anyone else

papa smurf 23-12-2014 22:40
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748328)
who's made an uninformed judgement ?? The UKIP leaders would have had all the facts with which to make a judgement .It doesn't matter to anyone else
does it matter to the people who voted for the Councillor or don't they matter

martyh 23-12-2014 23:00
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748330)
does it matter to the people who voted for the Councillor or don't they matter
No not really ,all her electorate need to know is that she bought the party into disrepute and was kicked out .Should she choose to run as an independant in the future then she may need to explain further

papa smurf 23-12-2014 23:05
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748331)
No not really ,all her electorate need to know is that she bought the party into disrepute and was kicked out .Should she choose to run as an independant in the future then she may need to explain further
are you living in an alternate reality or just sat too close to a gas vent :)

Pierre 23-12-2014 23:07
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748328)
who's made an uninformed judgement ?? The UKIP leaders would have had all the facts with which to make a judgement .It doesn't matter to anyone else
Well it does to the contributors of thid thread, that are making judgements base on nothing other than the person in question has been expelled from her party but there's is no information on what was said, or in what context.

The more intelligent members would reserve comment until the full facts about everything are released. That is all.

martyh 23-12-2014 23:24
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748335)
Well it does to the contributors of thid thread, that are making judgements base on nothing other than the person in question has been expelled from her party but there's is no information on what was said, or in what context.

The more intelligent members would reserve comment until the full facts about everything are released. That is all.
Actually there's only you and Papa kicking up a fuss ,just about everyone else has accepted that UKIP have the right to kick anyone out of their party they see fit ,Only you and Papa feel yourselves important enough to make judgements ,the facts have been posted and only you and Papa don't accept them

papa smurf 24-12-2014 08:26
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748336)
Actually there's only you and Papa kicking up a fuss ,just about everyone else has accepted that UKIP have the right to kick anyone out of their party they see fit ,Only you and Papa feel yourselves important enough to make judgements ,the facts have been posted and only you and Papa don't accept them
i have not judged her i was the one who wanted to wait for evidence ,nice try though twist every thing around to fit your warped view of the universe

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748326)
It does matter, as only an idiot would make an uninformed judgement of the situation surely?
oh how true- only an idiot .

Russ 24-12-2014 08:52
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748350)
i have not judged her i was the one who wanted to wait for evidence ,nice try though twist every thing around to fit your warped view of the universe
You were offered evidence of her being expelled by UKIP but you wouldn't even accept that.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 09:01
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748354)
You were offered evidence of her being expelled by UKIP but you wouldn't even accept that.
did you miss where i kept asking why or did you choose to just ignore it

Russ 24-12-2014 09:23
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748355)
did you miss where i kept asking why or did you choose to just ignore it
I kept asking if you agree that they'd expelled her and not once did you give a straight yes or no.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 09:44
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748356)
I kept asking if you agree that they'd expelled her and not once did you give a straight yes or no.
and do you find that frustrating

Pierre 24-12-2014 10:05
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748336)
Actually there's only you and Papa kicking up a fuss
I'm not kicking up a fuss.

Quote:
just about everyone else has accepted that UKIP have the right to kick anyone out of their party they see fit
haven't said they don't

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,Only you and Papa feel yourselves important enough to make judgements
What judgement have I made?
Quote:
,the facts have been posted and only you and Papa don't accept them
I totally accept it, where have I said I don't.

I just want to know how "jaw Dropping" and "highly racist" the comments were, and in what context they were made, before I decide anything about it.

That seems sensible to me.

martyh 24-12-2014 10:11
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748350)
i have not judged her i was the one who wanted to wait for evidence ,nice try though twist every thing around to fit your warped view of the universe

 .
Nobody else on here has either ,you've been babbling on about not having evidence with which to judge her despite the fact that she has already been judged by people who did have the evidence and have the authority to judge her ,it may burst your bubble but you simply are not that important to have the right to judge her ,that is the privilege of UKIP.

Pierre 24-12-2014 10:21
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748363)
Nobody else on here has either ,you've been babbling on about not having evidence with which to judge her despite the fact that she has already been judged by people who did have the evidence and have the authority to judge her ,it may burst your bubble but you simply are not that important to have the right to judge her ,that is the privilege of UKIP.
Tosh,

The subject has been posted on a discussion forum.

It's pretty difficult to form an opinion on whether the decision by UKIP to expel her was correct, in correct, a bit over the top etc etc. if we don't know the facts

It's perfectly acceptable to want to know the severity of her crime.

At the moment it's just, "UKIP expel councillor" so what?

He's also totally entitled to have an opinion on it, call it judging if you want, but it's how an opinion is formed, by weighing up the facts judging them and forming an opinion on the matter.

By your measure no one was allowed to form a judgement about the Labour MP in the Flags and White van scandal, it would be purely up to the Labour Party.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 10:25
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748363)
Nobody else on here has either ,you've been babbling on about not having evidence with which to judge her despite the fact that she has already been judged by people who did have the evidence and have the authority to judge her ,it may burst your bubble but you simply are not that important to have the right to judge her ,that is the privilege of UKIP.
if i'm not important and just babbling why do you keep coming back for another poke at me? why can't you accept that i will wait until the interview is made public ,or is it bothering you that much that its causing you discomfort .

martyh 24-12-2014 10:36
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748365)
Tosh,

The subject has been posted on a discussion forum.

It's pretty difficult to form an opinion on whether the decision by UKIP to expel her was correct, in correct, a bit over the top etc etc. if we don't know the facts

It's perfectly acceptable to want to know the severity of her crime.

At the moment it's just, "UKIP expel councillor" so what?

He's also totally entitled to have an opinion on it, call it judging if you want, but it's how an opinion is formed, by weighing up the facts judging them and forming an opinion on the matter.

By your measure no one was allowed to form a judgement about the Labour MP in the Flags and White van scandal, it would be purely up to the Labour Party.
The way i read the OP and it seems most other contributers is that the thread was started as a comment on UKIP losing yet another councillor not as a thread to decide her guilt/innocence ,that has been decided and as yet she has not appealed the decision or commented on the incident.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748367)
if i'm not important and just babbling why do you keep coming back for another poke at me? why can't you accept that i will wait until the interview is made public ,or is it bothering you that much that its causing you discomfort .
Because you're funny

Russ 24-12-2014 10:36
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748357)
and do you find that frustrating
Not frustrating but it was an opportunity for you to redeem yourself and make some sense.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 10:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748370)
Not frustrating but it was an opportunity for you to redeem yourself and make some sense.
does the comment make you feel as though your closer to achieving your objective ?

Pierre 24-12-2014 10:49
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748368)
The way i read the OP and it seems most other contributers is that the thread was started as a comment on UKIP losing yet another councillor
Yes it was, and as we're on a discussion forum, do you not think it is acceptable to discuss around that issue.

One of the points available for discussion would be if we thought UKIP was right to expel her and to do that we would need an analysis of what she said, but we don't have that information.

That is all.

Hugh 24-12-2014 10:52
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748326)
It does matter, as only an idiot would make an uninformed judgement of the situation surely?
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748350)
i have not judged her i was the one who wanted to wait for evidence ,nice try though twist every thing around to fit your warped view of the universe

oh how true- only an idiot .
Would I be correct in assuming you will give everyone else who is accused of the something, no matter what the party/cause/religion, the same benefit of the doubt?

martyh 24-12-2014 11:04
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748374)
Yes it was, and as we're on a discussion forum, do you not think it is acceptable to discuss around that issue.

One of the points available for discussion would be if we thought UKIP was right to expel her and to do that we would need an analysis of what she said, but we don't have that information.

That is all.
So do you think UKIP was right to expell her based on the fact she made jaw dropping racist comments .As far as i can see what she said is irrelavent,she made the comments (whatever they where) and UKIP decided they where that bad it justified immediate expulsion .The only judgement to be made in this thread is whether UKIP are right to expell members they deem to have used racist language

papa smurf 24-12-2014 11:08
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35748376)
Would I be correct in assuming you will give everyone else who is accused of the something, no matter what the party/cause/religion, the same benefit of the doubt?
feel free to assume what ever you like .

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748381)
So do you think UKIP was right to expell her based on the fact she made jaw dropping racist comments .As far as i can see what she said is irrelavent,she made the comments (whatever they where) and UKIP decided they where that bad it justified immediate expulsion .The only judgement to be made in this thread is whether UKIP are right to expell members they deem to have used racist language
so you ask a question and then set the ground rules for the answer you want

martyh 24-12-2014 11:12
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748383)
so you ask a question and then set the ground rules for the answer you want
how so ?? ,i've asked a question and given my view to the same question

papa smurf 24-12-2014 11:42
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748385)
how so ?? ,i've asked a question and given my view to the same question
Originally Posted by martyh
The only judgement to be made in this thread is whether UKIP are right to expell members they deem to have used racist language

there you go the only judgement any one can make is the one you specify .

no mention of what other members are interested in such as what was said in the interview .etc etc


and now you want ukip judging after ranting about how unimportant i am in wanting evidence before judging the Councillor .

Russ 24-12-2014 11:44
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748391)
The only judgement to be made in this thread is whether UKIP are right to expell members they deem to have used racist language
Has anyone suggested she's used racist language? A good Ukipper has a pop at gays too don't forget.

Pierre 24-12-2014 11:55
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35748376)
Would I be correct in assuming you will give everyone else who is accused of the something, no matter what the party/cause/religion, the same benefit of the doubt?
I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt as such, I reserving comment until I know what she said, that's all.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748381)
So do you think UKIP was right to expell her based on the fact she made jaw dropping racist comments .
I don't know, I don't know what she said.

It's a fact she made comments.

How "jaw dropping" they may be is a matter of personal opinion.

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As far as i can see what she said is irrelavent
I don't think it is, and I'd like to know what she said.

Either way I'd like to know.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 11:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748394)
Has anyone suggested she's used racist language? A good Ukipper has a pop at gays too don't forget.
that quote came from martyh not me ;)

Pierre 24-12-2014 11:57
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35748394)
Has anyone suggested she's used racist language? A good Ukipper has a pop at gays too don't forget.
I think you'll find " poofter". Seems to be nationally acceptable term........according to another thread.

martyh 24-12-2014 12:07
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748396)

I don't know, I don't know what she said.

It's a fact she made comments.

How "jaw dropping" they may be is a matter of personal opinion.



I don't think it is, and I'd like to know what she said.

Either way I'd like to know.

It's a fact she made racist comments as decided by UKIP leaders.

Wanting to know what they where so you can make a judgement only means you believe in a sliding scale of racism.

Pierre 24-12-2014 12:09
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Indeed, I'd like to know what they were

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Is it " bongo bongo land" or " n****r".?


There's a big difference, in my opinion.

martyh 24-12-2014 12:10
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748399)
that quote came from martyh not me ;)
ERR no it did not ,all the links provided from the OP say she made highly racist comments ,try reading things properly

papa smurf 24-12-2014 12:15
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35748381)
So do you think UKIP was right to expell her based on the fact she made jaw dropping racist comments .As far as i can see what she said is irrelavent,she made the comments (whatever they where) and UKIP decided they where that bad it justified immediate expulsion .The only judgement to be made in this thread is whether UKIP are right to expell members they deem to have used racist language


its defiantly one of yours martyh

Mr Angry 24-12-2014 12:39
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Some of the bleeding heart, meusli munching, sandal wearing, leftie liberals seeking confirmation of the grounds on which Ms Duncan was expelled with immediate effect (allegedly in keeping with "rule 15 of the UKIP Constitution") may be interested to know there is no "Rule 15" in the current UKIP constitution.

Now there's a surprise.

papa smurf 24-12-2014 12:52
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
so she has 28 days to appeal against a none existent rule that has never been in the ukip constitution - perhaps the reporting of this was a little incorrect or maybe ukip are down the pub rushing through a new rule as we speak , i now wonder if there is an interview the one fact i can corroborate is the BBC exists ;)

maybe she took a few days off for the xmas pantomime .

Hugh 24-12-2014 13:09
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748396)
I'm not giving her the benefit of the doubt as such, I reserving comment until I know what she said, that's all.

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I don't know, I don't know what she said.

It's a fact she made comments.

How "jaw dropping" they may be is a matter of personal opinion.



I don't think it is, and I'd like to know what she said.

Either way I'd like to know.
So will you be reserving comment in other cases when you don't know the full facts?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35748400)
I think you'll find " poofter". Seems to be nationally acceptable term........according to another thread.
Not according to the survey quoted in that thread - 60% said they personally found it offensive.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748418)
so she has 28 days to appeal against a none existent rule that has never been in the ukip constitution - perhaps the reporting of this was a little incorrect or maybe ukip are down the pub rushing through a new rule as we speak , i now wonder if there is an interview the one fact i can corroborate is the BBC exists ;)

maybe she took a few days off for the xmas pantomime .
I am surprised she didn't "resign by mutual consent" - the last two did.... :D

papa smurf 24-12-2014 13:12
Re: Ukip expels councillor Rozanne Duncan for 'jaw-dropping' comments in TV interview
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35748421)
So will you be reserving comment in other cases when you don't know the full facts?

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Not according to the survey quoted in that thread - 60% said they found it personally offensive.
40 ish % said it wasn't then
and did you know the TARDIS is smaller on the outside ;)


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