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Mike 30-09-2014 15:22
Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Hi all

Had a number of problems with my internet service and virgin media have offered to replace my current super hub 2 with a super hub 2 AC....

Just wondered if there are any difference !

What appreciate any views

Many thanks for your time

Regards

Mike

TAZMANUK 30-09-2014 16:05
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Yes I'm able to get 125meg over WiFi in 5ghz on my ac compatible nexus 5 smartphone.

On lan I get 162meg :)

qasdfdsaq 30-09-2014 16:30
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
The difference is the Superhub 2 AC has AC.

Mr Banana 30-09-2014 16:42
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732059)
The difference is the Superhub 2 AC has AC.
Not everyone has the superior knowledge that you have on technology, so is probably a genuine question.;)

From my perspective the wireless signal reaches my new Mac whereas before I needed a power line adaptor

qasdfdsaq 30-09-2014 17:30
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
AC doesn't change how far the signal 'reaches.

Mr Banana 30-09-2014 17:58
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732077)
AC doesn't change how far the signal 'reaches.
Didn't say it did but the super hub ac seems to have better wireless distribution in my opinion

ianch99 30-09-2014 18:07
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732059)
The difference is the Superhub 2 AC has AC.
Stating the obvious doesn't help the OP. I think he spotted the extra letters in the name :)

Unless there is a problem with the new shub2ac that has not yet come to light, i'd take the offer as it is more future proof. A lot of new devices (tablets, mobiles, etc.) now have ac wireless

qasdfdsaq 30-09-2014 18:13
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Except it still has the same top speed of 400Mbps like the SH1 and SH2.

Stephen 30-09-2014 23:44
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
So what makes the ac better then?

qasdfdsaq 01-10-2014 02:04
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Faster wireless.

ianch99 01-10-2014 09:30
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.. and arguably better range: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...the-difference

nigelmclelland 01-10-2014 12:40
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Wait for the superhub 3 !!!

Dana Hashem, Virgin Media’s Spokesperson, told ISPreview.co.uk:

“A small group of Virgin Media triallists are trying out a piece of equipment that features 802.11ac WiFi technology. We are always looking to bring the best products and services to our customers and will keep everyone updated as and when we bring anything new to our existing line-up.”

ianch99 01-10-2014 13:11
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
The OP needs help in choosing between the shub2 and the shub2ac ..

Mr Banana 01-10-2014 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732206)
Interesting, I have found that the range is better, odd that qasdfdsac doesn't think so

qasdfdsaq 01-10-2014 18:07
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
You seem to have confused range with performance.

Nowhere in that article does it actually say range is better.

ianch99 01-10-2014 18:52
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732077)
AC doesn't change how far the signal 'reaches.
But it can improve the speeds relative to wireless n at the same distance

Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732336)
You seem to have confused range with performance.

Nowhere in that article does it actually say range is better.
I think you have confused helping the OP with scoring meaningless points .. Do you have a shub2ac?

Mr Banana 01-10-2014 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732336)
You seem to have confused range with performance.

Nowhere in that article does it actually say range is better.
It talks about beam forming on the 5mhz frequency is that not increasing range?

Dash: CF noob 01-10-2014 21:58
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Looks like my SUPERHUB 1 has died, what will i get now.

Kushan 01-10-2014 22:20
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ITT: People who are confusing range with performance at the same distance.

ianch99 01-10-2014 23:03
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35732398)
ITT: People who are confusing range with performance at the same distance.
but is the shub2ac a better choice than the shub2 for the OP?

Kushan 01-10-2014 23:21
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732408)
but is the shub2ac a better choice than the shub2 for the OP?
Does the OP have AC devices? If so, then yes. If not, then no.

qasdfdsaq 02-10-2014 02:10
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732353)
But it can improve the speeds relative to wireless n at the same distance
Which is... as I said earlier, "faster wireless" ---------- Post added at 01:10 ---------- Previous post was at 01:07 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35732363)
It talks about beam forming on the 5mhz frequency is that not increasing range?
There's no such thing as the '5mhz frequency range' however 802.11n also had (optional) beamforming.

Beamforming makes a contribution to 'improve[d] speeds relative to wireless n at the same distance'. Range is still limited by law and receive sensitivity, neither of which has changed in AC. When signal gets weak AC has to switch back to 'n' modes anyway because... they have longer range.

ianch99 02-10-2014 11:01
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35732413)
Does the OP have AC devices? If so, then yes. If not, then no.
What if he gets some in the coming months?

Kushan 02-10-2014 11:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732449)
What if he gets some in the coming months?
If we go down that path, we should dump all of our equipment the second it becomes out dated.

ianch99 02-10-2014 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35732450)
If we go down that path, we should dump all of our equipment the second it becomes out dated.
Huh?

Kushan 02-10-2014 13:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732454)
Huh?
You're saying that OP might get some AC hardware down the line. I'm saying that if we took that approach, we should all dump our existing routers for a newer one just in case we get AC equipment down the line. Rather, it makes sense to hold off until you get or need AC devices, as by the the bugs should have been worked out (one would hope).

The reality is, unless OP has AC equipment, he won't see any advantage to the AC router, it's exactly the same but supports Wireless-AC. It won't have better range or throughput or anything like that unless it's paired with AC equipment.

There's also something else to consider - the fault reports of the SH2AC. It's hard to grasp how many are becoming faulty, partly due to the NDA of the testers, but enough people have mentioned it to be a concern. So if there's no AC equipment, it'd definitely be better to stick with the existing SH2.

ianch99 02-10-2014 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35732457)
You're saying that OP might get some AC hardware down the line. I'm saying that if we took that approach, we should all dump our existing routers for a newer one just in case we get AC equipment down the line. Rather, it makes sense to hold off until you get or need AC devices, as by the the bugs should have been worked out (one would hope).

The reality is, unless OP has AC equipment, he won't see any advantage to the AC router, it's exactly the same but supports Wireless-AC. It won't have better range or throughput or anything like that unless it's paired with AC equipment.

There's also something else to consider - the fault reports of the SH2AC. It's hard to grasp how many are becoming faulty, partly due to the NDA of the testers, but enough people have mentioned it to be a concern. So if there's no AC equipment, it'd definitely be better to stick with the existing SH2.
Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? :)

As far as I know, the OP was offered a free shub2ac to replace his (possibly faulty) shub2. Seems an easy decision to me ..

I had a problem with my shub2 which required a replacement plus I know a couple of people who have a shub2ac and so far have had no issues with them.

AMWSmith 02-10-2014 14:23
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I know someone that's had 4 ACs so far. ME.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732469)
Oh I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? :)

As far as I know, the OP was offered a free shub2ac to replace his (possibly faulty) shub2. Seems an easy decision to me ..

I had a problem with my shub2 which required a replacement plus I know a couple of people who have a shub2ac and so far have had no issues with them.

qasdfdsaq 02-10-2014 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35732450)
If we go down that path, we should dump all of our equipment the second it becomes out dated.
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ianch99 02-10-2014 22:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35732547)
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Wierd ..

General Maximus 03-10-2014 07:49
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very good, that is Apple to a T. It made me chuckle.

Mike 03-10-2014 09:23
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35732449)
What if he gets some in the coming months?
Hi all

Many thanks for all your replies ......appreaciate the passion.

The devices we have in the house are Ipad 4 Iphone 5 and 4 and Samsung S5.

Thnaks everyone on again

Mike

Sephiroth 03-10-2014 10:32
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike (Post 35732639)
Hi all

Many thanks for all your replies ......appreaciate the passion.

The devices we have in the house are Ipad 4 Iphone 5 and 4 and Samsung S5.

Thnaks everyone on again

Mike
I imagine that your original question stands. I moved the same equipment (Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro with AC) set plus some, of course, from SH2 to SH2ac.

As I was on the SH2ac trial, I had the modem in router mode for some time in order to test it out. I could get 153/12 on all the "I" devices and the Tab Pro. This was also true of the SH2 and on both modems it was necessary to set the 5G settings to the highest throughput value.

I'm now in modem mode (as I always have been and intended to be) because the router tweaking functions on all SH models are poor.

Hope that helps.

pythagoras 03-10-2014 14:03
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I am able to max out the Internet speed on ac wifi devices with the sh2ac.

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/983771410

Regards

John

Gtimers 05-10-2014 16:27
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any deep questions on the sh2ac.. feel free & il answer em

ianch99 05-10-2014 17:09
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtimers (Post 35733032)
any deep questions on the sh2ac.. feel free & il answer em
Did you design it then?

Khenryashley 05-10-2014 17:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtimers (Post 35733032)
any deep questions on the sh2ac.. feel free & il answer em
What colour is it?

Gtimers 05-10-2014 17:20
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those are not real questions...ergo ignored

qasdfdsaq 05-10-2014 17:34
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How deep is it?

Gtimers 05-10-2014 17:47
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as in...depth in mm?

General Maximus 05-10-2014 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtimers (Post 35733062)
as in...depth in mm?
he is being sarcastic. On a more serious note I want to know how deep it can go in water. I think 50m water resistance would be quite reasonable.

Gtimers 05-10-2014 19:58
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oh ok.
How about colour: google image it
Water proof: if you have one, immerse it and report back here.

qasdfdsaq 05-10-2014 20:27
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So basically when you said you'd answer deep questions you were just trolling then, since you haven't answered a single question so far.

Hugh 05-10-2014 20:39
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Mod comment - play nicely, boys and girls.

Let's not have any reason to unleash The Mallet Of Loving Correction™, please.....

Sephiroth 05-10-2014 20:50
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtimers (Post 35733032)
any deep questions on the sh2ac.. feel free & il answer em
There's nothing deep to ask. It's a SH2 with AC capability added. The router section has the settings necessary to maximise AC throughput, As with all routers, its house performance is down to the individual house.

Nothing deep to it at all.

Stephen 06-10-2014 22:07
Re: Super hub 2 v's Super hub 2 AC ?
 
Please stop the personal insults and attacks.

Thread cleaned up

Gtimers 07-10-2014 16:58
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Range on AC is reaching further or me than BT HH5 AC


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