Sky trialing 1Gb FTTP in Amazingstoke
 

Story here.

Link directly to the trial site here.

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Wonder if the such high speed is to grab headlines or if they are seriously looking at that speed for the future so they can look at pure IPTV type homes and pushing other services over it.

Apart from the heavy downloaders and the handful of families that use a lot of bandwidth at the same time of day, most of that speed will never be used. Still makes you drool for some reason though :)

Looks like you don't even have to sign up for the trial, if they do it down your road they will contact you. Great way to do it instead of getting everyones hopes up with huge advertising and fanfare, only to let them down later.

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This isn't the only one they're doing so they're certainly taking a serious look.

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Are the same thing? I thought the cityfibre one was partly a shared dish service, whereas the Basingstoke one seems to be a full fibre trial? Or am I thinking of another Sky trial?

How much bandwidth would be required to deliver Sky's TV service of FTTP rather than via satellite?

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Such a small percentage it wouldn't play a part in the big scheme of things. Even if you was watching hd tv in three rooms and also recording channels, I doubt you would even use 15 or 20Mb. Once 4K tv is out then maybe 15% of the bandwidth could be used in the same situation, still leaving you 800Mb or so spare.

I can't actually remember the bitrates so those figures may be wrong. More of an indication. A lot depend son how they actually implement iptv too and decisions they make on the way.

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The York trial is also full fibre, you aren't going to get shared dishes to 5000 premises :)

Whether it'll be broadband/telephony only I'm not sure, I suspect it will at least initially.

In the case of this trial using their own dedicated fibre network they could put the TV on a different wavelength from the broadband or use multicast, either way the bandwidth usage would be inconsequential.

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The Basingstoke trial will pee off a lot of people in the surrounding towns/villages - my bro-in-law lives in a village not far from Basingstoke, and he gets around 500Kb/s on his BT BB.....

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They should be more pee'ed off that VM won't give them any connection at all, let alone 500kb/s! Damn those pesky mobile operators who wont give them good coverage either, simple because they live almost in the middle of nowhere.

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Thanks for that - v. Informative.

They are in the Yellow - to be investigated to see if 95% can get done by 2017.

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I am sure if VM were their supplier, and they were doing a 1Gb trial locally, they would be pee'ed off with them - but they aren't, so they aren't...;)

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I recently had my Infinity line replaced as my router was constantly losing sync and whilst speaking to the Openreach engineer he said he'd heard that Sky wanted to have its own fibre cabs on the streets rather than using Openreach all rumours but is this possible ?

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Just seems silly to be upset with one company who isn't providing them something when none of the other companies are offering anything either. Villages get a worse service than towns in many different fields, not just broadband and mobile.



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As it stands I don't see sky being given the same freedom as BT when it comes to putting cabinets everywhere. If politicians start trying to boast uk broadband to the rest of the world then they may push through new rules though. Or some ant-competition lobbying or legal action.

Then again, I may be completely wrong :)

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Is it not this your referring to Ben ?

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Yes, that was it thanks. Did go looking for it but couldn't remember the other company's name.

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Anyone noticed they called the new pole a "telephone pole" when it most likely will be the only pole in the area with no telephone lines running through it at all?

I do wonder though, are they installing kit via BT's existing poles or are they actually putting up new poles just for themselves on everyone's street?

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As you mentioned they're using new poles, which is why it's their details on said pole rather than BT's.

The rules on delivery of services via poles were recently relaxed via the Growth and Infrastructure Bill both to make it possible to use them again and also to allow deployment of new cabinets without planning permission in conservation areas, amongst other things.

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Interesting. I was just reading the "new" from the notice itself, bearing in mind the wording on many of these planning notices are rarely accurate. I've also seen EE notices on O2 poles and vice versa, and notices saying "New antenna were fitted" which actually equated to an entire new mast and four street cabinets rivalling the size of a small car being put up next to the existing one. Hence, I read planning notices with skepticism :P

Nonetheless if Sky is putting up their own poles (OK this particular situation is just a trial) I wonder if we'll end up with a situation like we did in the earl 2000's with mobile networks, each one putting up their own pole to the point you end up with five poles next to each other in any given location...

Given the objections people tend to make towards even the most subtle, "telegraph pole" styled mobile masts, even with no wires coming out of the top, I don't think each of a dozen ISPs installing their own poles will get very far. I'm guessing the intention is to eventually share, but Sky are just using their own for now for trial purposes.

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Sky update 20th June on ISP Review

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...gstoke-uk.html

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With mobile masts the complaints are often due to the fact they are transmitting waves rather than just them not looking too pretty. For a trial I doubt many will worry if cables are hanging from a phone pole, especially if it means they get gigabit internet.

Wondered why they never made lamp posts multi-purpose and split it in to say 4 sections (possibly easy removable/replaced modular type design) with a shared section down one side, and allow different companies to utilise each section inside. No one really batters an eyelid with those kind of poles being there so why not hide stuff inside. Companies would start designing equipment that fitted inside that form factor. Unless I am missing something obvious?

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Actually, for mobile masts, councils are not permitted to consider the "transmitting waves" at all in determining outcome or considering public objections. Hence, the most common reason they are declined or rejected is based on appearance. Not to say people don't complain but rather there is no legal basis to consider their complaint and (unless the council is breaking the law or being incompetent, which does sometimes happen) it will be rejected without even being considered.

Lamp posts are an interesting issue. They are indeed ideal for some sorts of telecoms deployments, although a lot were built back when telecoms and utility regulation were nothing like they are today. However, while I have seen a few cities abroad where they are used for mobile microcells and/or public wifi access, several times in the UK I've seen plans for similar deployments shelved because operators could not agree terms with the councils and/or utility and/or land owners

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Indeed. Rather pathetically a large part of the reason my mobile signal here is so poor is one serial objector.

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Do we really need such high speeds? Is downloading a 5gb file in the blink of an eye necessary?

I am very happy with my current speed.

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I wasn't happy when I wanted to play Titanfall yesterday and it took an hour to download.

Do I need it to download in 5 minutes? No. Would it have stopped my friends getting bored to the point they stopped playing before my download finished, so I could have joined them and enjoyed the game a lot more? Yes.

Frankly we don't need an internet connection of any kind. It's just nice to have.

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I'm very pleased for you, Phil.

I want my Internet connection to not be a bottleneck, and I'm willing to pay a price for it to be that way. I would be very happy if everything downloaded in the blink of an eye, but if you are fine with waiting that is your call.

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Will probably annoy quite a few people in Hook, Hampshire as that's where VM's headquarters are. :)

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Interesting, wonder what they're up to?

Do we really believe they are about to spend billions on a FTTH network and if not, what is the point of the trial?

I would love there to be a another "cable" company to compete against VM. But so far BT's tv offering is a disaster and as it's mostly Freeview anyway, its hardly cable tv.

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This sounds like we're going down the American route here...I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of poles in American cities where several telecoms companies operate, bloody mess comes to mind. Dozens of cables coming out of each pole. Yuck. But under a true FTTH system, there would be no need for the street cabinets.

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The lamp posts idea is a really good one, I never thought of it! Sometimes simple ideas are the best. But they are owned by councils, so telecoms companies would need to make agreements with all the councils up and down the country for this to happen. Obviously, dealing with one company, BT/Opeanreach, is easier for other telecoms companies but perhaps not better.

I don't know if you were aware of the sewer idea which was tried and failed (look up Fibrecity on this forum) but it can be hard going trying to get access to infrastructure.

The sewer idea failed, I think, because Fibrecity couldn't secure deals to access other water companies' sewers in places other than Bournmouth. So gaining access to lamp posts could be as difficult, but I like it.

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It would appear Sky are conducting another FTTH trial in Derbyshire this time.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...erbyshire.html

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They've done a few actually. This one just hit the news :)

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The Telecommunications code prohibits the installing of overhead lines.

Only in areas where there are exisiting overhead lines can you do this.

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This was relaxed in 2013 for 5 years.

See here.

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good info, thanks

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I posed the the unanswered question about Sky last year, so I'll pose it again:

What are Sky up with these FTTH trials? Do we really think they are going to build a nationwide network perhaps in conjunction with talktalk and City Fibre? It will cost a fortune...

The recent Sky complaint to Ofcom about Openreach would seem to suggest they are up to major mischief.

If Sky or anyone else were able to offer me a cable tv service, I would be very interested, especially if pumped down a FTTH line.

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Talk Talk said the following in May of this year ,
http://www.theguardian.com/business/...rnet-broadband

No idea whether this is at all likely or whether an expanded roll out would include Sky.

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They're trying to work out whether or not they can make the economics work if they build their own access network.

They pay SES Astra a lot of money for satellite capacity and are very aware of the limitations of that method of delivery.

Their trials are in different areas with different population densities and build methods. They need to work out costs and uptake.

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Hopefully they don't get it completely wrong and have to backtrack after release like BT did with FTTPoD (and, well, FTTP-non-oD)

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Interesting, unaware of that. So, talktalk at least, are thinking about a national network.

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I wonder if we'll see something like that is the States aka AT&T/Direct TV merger.

If Sky wants a nationwide network and BT has infrastructure, perhaps these two might bite the bullet and merge??

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Absolutely no chance in hell.

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Said no woman, ever.

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I think you weren't paying close enough attention to them when they addressed you.