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fromthenorth 20-03-2014 19:55

Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
This article confirms that Virgin are not interested in doing a deal for Sky Atlantic.
www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/multiplatform/virgin-eyes-amazon-streaming-app/5069814.article?blocktitle=Latest-News&contentID=2319 (subscription)

Virgin Media chief executive Tom Mockridge told a Broadcasting Press Guild lunch that while his priority was on growing broadband capacity rather than adding content to set-top boxes,

The article says Virgin would like Amazon Prime On Demand App - they've held talks but it's too soon for Amazon.
It says deals for these kind of services doesn't grow eithers
customer bases.

Tom Mockridge says Sky Atlantic is not key, unlike huge customer demand for BT Sport.

-while fast broadband is great, I'm very disappointed in such a public announcement that investment in content is not key. Might have to consider my options if this is proved to be the case.

OLD BOY 20-03-2014 20:33

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fromthenorth (Post 35681936)
This article confirms that Virgin are not interested in doing a deal for Sky Atlantic.
www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/multiplatform/virgin-eyes-amazon-streaming-app/5069814.article?blocktitle=Latest-News&contentID=2319 (subscription)

Virgin Media chief executive Tom Mockridge told a Broadcasting Press Guild lunch that while his priority was on growing broadband capacity rather than adding content to set-top boxes,

The article says Virgin would like Amazon Prime On Demand App - they've held talks but it's too soon for Amazon.
It says deals for these kind of services doesn't grow eithers
customer bases.

Tom Mockridge says Sky Atlantic is not key, unlike huge customer demand for BT Sport.

-while fast broadband is great, I'm very disappointed in such a public announcement that investment in content is not key. Might have to consider my options if this is proved to be the case.

He hasn't said Sky Atlantic is not coming to VM, though, that's just what you have read into the statement.

He might just be talking the price down!

Mad Max 20-03-2014 20:34

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35681970)
He hasn't said Sky Atlantic is not coming to VM, though, that's just what you have read into the statement.

He might just be talking the price down!


OB, seriously, we ain't getting Atlantic, not on subs anyway, you're farting against thunder mate!

Ben B 20-03-2014 20:38

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
I pay £4.99 a month for NOW TV and to be honest the only thing I've watched on it is Fleming, haven't seen anything else that interests me really

passingbat 20-03-2014 20:56

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben B (Post 35681974)
I pay £4.99 a month for NOW TV and to be honest the only thing I've watched on it is Fleming, haven't seen anything else that interests me really

Maybe that's because they don't have previous seasons of shows to catch up on? It's pointless joining a show that is part way through a season. Fleming was new and started after the Entertainment part of Now TV launched.


With the amount of money Sky have paid HBO this time, you would have thought the deal would include all back seasons, and the airing of shows close to the US air date. If it did, Now TV would be excellent value

andy_m 20-03-2014 21:12

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
They do have previous seasons. Three years worth of game of thrones, all of mad men, etc. Now TV is excellent in my opinion. With I player, ten very good channels and month long catch up I'm monitoring very closely at the moment, but the vast majority of my viewing is available through Now tv. Quality over quantity every time, Virgin have missed the point with all last year's channel launches, it really isn't about the amount of channels as far as I'm concerned.

I'm currently locked in with loyalty discount for a few more months, but I'm keeping a close eye on how Virgin sort out the suggestions mess and how much the now tv entertainment pass goes up by. I've been a very happy Virgin customer but now I can see that I might be getting to the end of the road. I really really really don't need faster broadband.

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Slight disclaimer, I actually don't like game of thrones, but it is on there.

Mad Max 20-03-2014 21:39

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Quote:

Quality over quantity every time, Virgin have missed the point with all last year's channel launches, it really isn't about the amount of channels as far as I'm concerned.
Well said that man, i feel exactly like you mate, there's far too much crap on Virgin and Sky for that matter, i don't care what anyone say's i'm pretty sure the majority of viewers would rather have quality channels than all this +1 etc etc rubbish!

theone2k10 20-03-2014 22:00

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35681970)
He hasn't said Sky Atlantic is not coming to VM, though, that's just what you have read into the statement.

He might just be talking the price down!

TBF mate Sky Atlantic is not on any of the lists i've got. Amazon OD however is but marked as "ongoing talks" which the ops link confirms.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35681988)
They do have previous seasons. Three years worth of game of thrones, all of mad men, etc. Now TV is excellent in my opinion. With I player, ten very good channels and month long catch up I'm monitoring very closely at the moment, but the vast majority of my viewing is available through Now tv. Quality over quantity every time, Virgin have missed the point with all last year's channel launches, it really isn't about the amount of channels as far as I'm concerned.

I'm currently locked in with loyalty discount for a few more months, but I'm keeping a close eye on how Virgin sort out the suggestions mess and how much the now tv entertainment pass goes up by. I've been a very happy Virgin customer but now I can see that I might be getting to the end of the road. I really really really don't need faster broadband.

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Slight disclaimer, I actually don't like game of thrones, but it is on there.

I've already made my mind up once my contract ends the tv and phone is going i'm keeping the broadband and just sticking to on demand/smart dns services. Works out overall a £27p/m saving too as i can get rid of tv license too.

passingbat 20-03-2014 22:38

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35681988)
They do have previous seasons.

MM has pointed out previously that they do add back seasons for some shows now and then.

But I specifically highlighted all shows. What about Boardwalk Empire, Banshee and similar shows? The Season 2 finale of Banshee has already aired in the US; form what I've read on another forum, Atlantic haven't even started showing season 2 yet.

If they added all seasons and aired close to the US air date, they would get my money but they won't for the service as it currently is. Personally, I think Sky should ask HBO for some money back ;):D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35682010)

I've already made my mind up once my contract ends the tv and phone is going i'm keeping the broadband and just sticking to on demand/smart dns services..

A trend that will become more and more popular IMHO. I did that a month or so ago. The only reason I kept Tivo was because it turned out cheaper to keep it with M TV than to just have BB and phone on their own.

I still pay for what I watch, but I only watch the things I want to watch and don't mind paying for those.

muppetman11 20-03-2014 22:57

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Using streaming services is certainly becoming more popular , my issue with going solely down this route at the moment is how far behind the traditional broadcasters the streaming services are. There's many shows that were on terrestrial long since , the pay tv channels are also way in front example Modern Family Sky One is currently airing season 5 with seasons 1-4 on Sky On Demand compared to Netflix who only have S1-2.

If it wasn't for a few good Netflix originals I'm not sure I'd be subscribing , I do love the technology behind the service and it's great to have complete Boxsets however sadly most has been on the tv already.

theone2k10 20-03-2014 23:14

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35682033)
Using streaming services is certainly becoming more popular , my issue with going solely down this route at the moment is how far behind the traditional broadcasters the streaming services are. There's many shows that were on terrestrial long since , the pay tv channels are also way in front example Modern Family Sky One is currently airing season 5 with seasons 1-4 on Sky On Demand compared to Netflix who only have S1-2.

If it wasn't for a few good Netflix originals I'm not sure I'd be subscribing , I do love the technology behind the service and it's great to have complete Boxsets however sadly most has been on the tv already.

If you use a smart DNS mate unblock cost about £2.20p/m you'll get access to hulu and other Netflix regions amongst other stuff and a lot of shows are straight after they air in the USA.

harry_hitch 20-03-2014 23:16

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35682010)
TBF mate Sky Atlantic is not on any of the lists i've got. Amazon OD however is but marked as "ongoing talks" which the ops link confirms.

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I've already made my mind up once my contract ends the tv and phone is going i'm keeping the broadband and just sticking to on demand/smart dns services. Works out overall a £27p/m saving too as i can get rid of tv license too.

Good luck with the savings mate. Do you not need a TV licence to watch TV over the internet though? I was under the impression you did.

muppetman11 20-03-2014 23:54

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35682041)
If you use a smart DNS mate unblock cost about £2.20p/m you'll get access to hulu and other Netflix regions amongst other stuff and a lot of shows are straight after they air in the USA.

Seems a lot of hassle to set Hulu up on my streaming devices and don't really like using the computer to watch tv. After searching the various Netflix regions it seems a lot are still behind the UK broadcasters for many shows.

passingbat 21-03-2014 00:18

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35682065)
and don't really like using the computer to watch tv..

You could hook the PC up to the TV. Usually a simple one cable connection.

And for people who do move entirely over to all TV via the internet, it makes a lot of sense to have a small, lounge friendly, PC, permanently hooked up to the TV.

theone2k10 21-03-2014 00:30

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35682043)
Good luck with the savings mate. Do you not need a TV licence to watch TV over the internet though? I was under the impression you did.

Not if you are only watching catch up tv or on demand services. Also you can just tell TVL to jog on and remove their rights of access so they can't bother you. I was just honest with them told them come August i won't be re-newing my tv license as i'm getting rid of live tv and just using on demand and catch up tv services. They said "that's fine we'll just pop around to confirm it after August" http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-i...-needed-top12/

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35682065)
Seems a lot of hassle to set Hulu up on my streaming devices and don't really like using the computer to watch tv. After searching the various Netflix regions it seems a lot are still behind the UK broadcasters for many shows.

As PB said just hook the pc upto the tv via HDMI mate or you could just set your DNS up on your router, what i did was buy a cheap router, put my superhub2 in modem mode as can't change dns on that, connected my new router to the hub set up dns on my router and that was it done. Just one DNS change needed mate.

Chad 21-03-2014 00:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35682073)
You could hook the PC up to the TV. Usually a simple one cable connection.

And for people who do move entirely over to all TV via the internet, it makes a lot of sense to have a small, lounge friendly, PC, permanently hooked up to the TV.

As SMART TV's come down in price, they are becoming more and more attractive as options for those who don't want pay for subscription TV. My LG SMART TV offers access to Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox and NOW TV. I can also access BBC iPlayer and Demand 5 with ITV Player and 4OD set to launch later this year. It also has a built in Freeview HD tuner meaning access to 11 free HD channels on top of the standard Freeview offering.

When you are next considering buying a new TV, it's well worth considering a SMART one.

andy_m 21-03-2014 08:03

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35682033)
Using streaming services is certainly becoming more popular , my issue with going solely down this route at the moment is how far behind the traditional broadcasters the streaming services are. There's many shows that were on terrestrial long since , the pay tv channels are also way in front example Modern Family Sky One is currently airing season 5 with seasons 1-4 on Sky On Demand compared to Netflix who only have S1-2.

If it wasn't for a few good Netflix originals I'm not sure I'd be subscribing , I do love the technology behind the service and it's great to have complete Boxsets however sadly most has been on the tv already.

That's why Now tv is so good I think, as it's a mix of on demand and live channels, with thirty day catch up for those channels, so currently the last four episodes of Modern Family are still available to view. Yesterday I caught up on Line of Duty from the night before, the last three episodes of Modern Family and the last 2 of Elementary. All of which are now available to me through Virgin and Now tv, so I'm certainly not keen to continue paying for both services. I've been enjoying True Detective so currently Now TV is ahead. Actually the only thing really putting me off going is losing the ability to record shows and the fact that I don't have a tv aerial point and I'd still want freeview, but I'm starting to think the initial outlay of having one installed and then buying a decent freeview+ box will be worth it in the long run.

denphone 21-03-2014 08:56

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35682082)
As SMART TV's come down in price, they are becoming more and more attractive as options for those who don't want pay for subscription TV. My LG SMART TV offers access to Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox and NOW TV. I can also access BBC iPlayer and Demand 5 with ITV Player and 4OD set to launch later this year. It also has a built in Freeview HD tuner meaning access to 11 free HD channels on top of the standard Freeview offering.

When you are next considering buying a new TV, it's well worth considering a SMART one.

Yes we will need a new one in the next couple of years and by then they will be even better function wise.

muppetman11 21-03-2014 09:15

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35682115)
That's why Now tv is so good I think, as it's a mix of on demand and live channels, with thirty day catch up for those channels, so currently the last four episodes of Modern Family are still available to view. Yesterday I caught up on Line of Duty from the night before, the last three episodes of Modern Family and the last 2 of Elementary. All of which are now available to me through Virgin and Now tv, so I'm certainly not keen to continue paying for both services. I've been enjoying True Detective so currently Now TV is ahead. Actually the only thing really putting me off going is losing the ability to record shows and the fact that I don't have a tv aerial point and I'd still want freeview, but I'm starting to think the initial outlay of having one installed and then buying a decent freeview+ box will be worth it in the long run.

Fully agree , my experience of Now TV only relates to the movie pass but the SD live PQ is more than acceptable so watching live isn't an issue and the price represents great value. Obviously I can see what's available on the entertainment pass and at the current £4.99 it represents excellent value for first run content.

dgcarter 21-03-2014 09:49

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35681988)
They do have previous seasons. Three years worth of game of thrones, all of mad men, etc. Now TV is excellent in my opinion. With I player, ten very good channels and month long catch up I'm monitoring very closely at the moment, but the vast majority of my viewing is available through Now tv. Quality over quantity every time, Virgin have missed the point with all last year's channel launches, it really isn't about the amount of channels as far as I'm concerned.

I'm currently locked in with loyalty discount for a few more months, but I'm keeping a close eye on how Virgin sort out the suggestions mess and how much the now tv entertainment pass goes up by. I've been a very happy Virgin customer but now I can see that I might be getting to the end of the road. I really really really don't need faster broadband.

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Slight disclaimer, I actually don't like game of thrones, but it is on there.

I agree, Freeview and NowTV is a much better offering than any of VMs.

passingbat 21-03-2014 10:24

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35682115)
Actually the only thing really putting me off going is losing the ability to record shows and the fact that I don't have a tv aerial point and I'd still want freeview, .


You will probably find that if you keep VM BB and phone, you can keep one Tivo with M TV (which is essentially Freeview channels) for no extra cost. It actually reduced the cost for me.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35682082)
As SMART TV's come down in price, they are becoming more and more attractive as options for those who don't want pay for subscription TV. My LG SMART TV offers access to Netflix, Lovefilm, Blinkbox and NOW TV. I can also access BBC iPlayer and Demand 5 with ITV Player and 4OD set to launch later this year. It also has a built in Freeview HD tuner meaning access to 11 free HD channels on top of the standard Freeview offering.

When you are next considering buying a new TV, it's well worth considering a SMART one.


Very true, although all those are available via PC. And there are things that you can get via a PC that aren't available via a Smart TV.

andy_m 21-03-2014 12:14

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35682136)
You will probably find that if you keep VM BB and phone, you can keep one Tivo with M TV (which is essentially Freeview channels) for no extra cost. It actually reduced the cost for me.

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Very true, although all those are available via PC. And there are things that you can get via a PC that aren't available via a Smart TV.

I am considering m as an option, although I'm also toying with losing the landline altogether as our mobile packages are so good, and ideally I want a one stb solution for the tv partly so the tv cabinet isn't a mess and partly so I don't have to constantly flick between input sources.

passingbat 21-03-2014 12:27

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35682157)
partly so I don't have to constantly flick between input sources.

Logitech Harmony remotes are the answer to that one. It then becomes just a one button press to switch between devices, using just the one remote to control the whole lot.

RobboEdin 21-03-2014 13:45

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35682157)
I am considering m as an option, although I'm also toying with losing the landline altogether as our mobile packages are so good, and ideally I want a one stb solution for the tv partly so the tv cabinet isn't a mess and partly so I don't have to constantly flick between input sources.

You won't get TV M without paying for a landline. In other words, no BB and TV M bundles.

bamav 21-03-2014 14:43

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35682136)
You will probably find that if you keep VM BB and phone, you can keep one Tivo with M TV (which is essentially Freeview channels) for no extra cost. It actually reduced the cost for me.

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Very true, although all those are available via PC. And there are things that you can get via a PC that aren't available via a Smart TV.

And not everyone has or needs a PC these days. Smart TVs or boxes are the future - as is streaming. I have recorded dozens of series from live TV since TiVo launched - there are very few that I've actually watched live or within even the duration of a series.

If I could subscribe to a couple of services that would give me most of the popular TV series on demand whenever (including into the future), then I would definitely cut TV package down to the minimum. VM know this is the way things are going and that is why they're keen to ensure their fibre is the best in the business.

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And here's news that might just confirm the death of "TV"...

http://www.whathifi.com/news/digital...me-watching-tv

passingbat 21-03-2014 14:49

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bamav (Post 35682201)
And not everyone has or needs a PC these days. Smart TVs or boxes are the future - as is streaming. I have recorded dozens of series from live TV since TiVo launched - there are very few that I've actually watched live or within even the duration of a series.

If I could subscribe to a couple of services that would give me most of the popular TV series on demand whenever (including into the future), then I would definitely cut TV package down to the minimum. VM know this is the way things are going and that is why they're keen to ensure their fibre is the best in the business.

I don't think anyone disputes that that is the way things are heading. and it's good.

But I am able to get all the things I want, except the odd show, without TV services from any provider, including Freeview. So I am able to 'Cut the Cord' now. But, at this point in time, I could not get all the things that I watch without access to a PC. So, as we stand now, I'm not sure that full Cord Cutting is possible without the use of a PC. Obviously, that does depend on the shows you watch.

Granted, I have a limited time to watch some shows as they are not recorded to a hard drive. But many of them are available for four weeks.

andy_m 21-03-2014 16:57

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35682188)
You won't get TV M without paying for a landline. In other words, no BB and TV M bundles.

Hence my use of the word "although".;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35682164)
Logitech Harmony remotes are the answer to that one. It then becomes just a one button press to switch between devices, using just the one remote to control the whole lot.

Thanks for all your advice. I have actually got a Logitech remote, but I've found the battery life so poor that I've stopped using it.

passingbat 21-03-2014 17:15

Re: Confirmed. No Sky Atlantic. Broadband push.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35682236)
I have actually got a Logitech remote, but I've found the battery life so poor that I've stopped using it.

I've always bought the rechargeable models, and leave them on charge overnight so wasn't aware of that issue.

Logitech seem to have reduced the number of models over the last year, and the mid priced rechargeable models seem to have gone, sadly leaving the rechargeable ones at the expensive end.


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