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I just got a letter or leaflet...

Gatwick runway Consultation...

http://www.gatwickairport.com/consultation/

this was on the news ealrier this month or late last month. those closest to the airport having to hear the noise will get a reduction in council tax or something.

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Needs a new runaway. I believe it's the most used single runway in the world or something like that. Gatwick is probably London's second biggest airport and it actually surprised me to find out there is one runway yet two terminals.

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Might well need the second runway as there is a bit of bad news coming to a Kent airport Manston again!!!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...lans-jobs-risk

Manston has the 4th longest runway in the UK.

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Not really one could be local and short haul, while the other could be for long haul

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What annoys me about extra runways is the NIMBYs who've only been there a few years, personally anybody who has lived nearby for less than 30 years should be told sorry you moved near the airport, tough no say.

The company I worked for near Stansted moved away when they shelved plans for a 2nd runway making 91 Brits unemployed.

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One good thing about Gatwick: No charge for dropping people off or picking them up!

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Even the short stay parking is reasonable if you're only gone for under a week.

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This is something that clearly needs to be done so I'd like to see a new terminal etc. they might as well do it properly if it does go ahead. I am though a bit confused on option 2 & 3.

Option 2 - one runway used for landings and the other for take-offs.

Option 3 - both runways used for landings and take-offs.

which would be better?

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No idea. That sounds like a technical question for those well-versed in air traffic control and airport management.

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more will no doubt be squeezed out. the runway has to happen though.

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If i remember rightly from the row over Heathrow about mixed mod ops (what option 3 is talking about). Using 1 runway for landing and 1 for take off means less local noise pollution BUT reduces the capacity of the runways.

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Since it's not my money we'll be spending I am in favour of a new airport to the East. Boris Island basically. It makes sense to me to build a state of the art airport designed to handle multiple runways and terminals rather than stick them onto airports which were never designed to handle the load they have to handle.

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Can the London TMA and Eurocontrol handle any more traffic though? That's the question. Surely that would have a bearing on how much more capacity an additional runway can add.

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The noise can still be bad for people at least 15 miles from Heathrow or Gatwick due to the altitude. They often have to stack and circle the places before landing too so maybe those in that path should be considered for council tax reductions too.

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Thats the only thing we know for sure.. more money will have to be put on the table.

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Why are residents getting a vote? Surely there are people trained to make the best decision

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Democracy. Incompetence.

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Extra runways at both these airports would almost totally remove the need to stack the aircraft and so would reduce the noise for people in the stack path. Infact at the moment its not unusual for arriving aircraft to have to hold for 30-60 minuites in the heathrow stack waiting for a slot to land (gatwick's not quite as bad yet but its getting there).

Extra capacity could actually reduce the amount of traffic in the air due to the reduced hold que

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Good point :tu:

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The biggest problem is NIMBYs, sorry but you move near an airport you have very little to say about expansion.

Only those born near an airport should have any say.

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Or those who have an airport built near where they live.
Having said that, Heathrow was built in 1946, Gatwick in 1958. I shouldn't think many people living in those areas then are living in them now.

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It's possible to move from one part of London or Surrey to another without thinking about or even noticing air traffic when you look at the place. Some don't notice until after the first night in their new place when the first big plane coming in wakes them up at around 6am in the morning once the altitude restrictions change.

There can be a huge difference in noise around the edge of a 20 mile radius, depending on where you are on the edge.

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In theory but over time they will probably add so many more flights that the gains are nullified. I wonder if the airlines would stop buying the biggest planes and use more smaller ones for example.

Is there a higher chance of accidents occurring if they use the same runways for landing and taking off or does it make no difference?

Also I would expect that using the same runway for everything would mean if one thing goes wrong more services would be affected and thus more longer delays. So in that respect a second runway would be better than a dual use single I would have thought.

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If a second runway goes ahead then that would be classed as a public works under Part 1 of The Land Compensation Act 1973. Part 1 says that if there are any changes in any of the 5 physical factors (noise, vibration, artificial lighting, dust/fumes, run-off) that result in the devaluation of a property by £50 or more, then anyone who has an interest in that property can make a claim for compensation from the responsible authority.

In the event of a succesful claim (reasonable) fees are payable in addition to any compensation, but in most cases claim will not be considered until 12 months after the official opening date of the public works. The responsible authority has no statutory obligation to inform you that you may be eligible to make a claim (unlike Part 2 or the act), but there will be plenty of companies who will leaflet drop offering no win no fee services.

Hope this helps!

Cheers


Grim

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They still have the problem of the SS Richard Montgomery which still has 1,400 tonnes of explosives and all the native birds which migrate or live in that area of Kent. Plus like someone else said, the infrastructure of London barely copes as it is. It would have been nice to see the amount of money going into HS2 to be used for upgrading our railways, then the support would be there. Unfortunately our government seems to have an attitude of dealing with a problem when it happens/gets too much media coverage, rather than taking a preventative approach.

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start building already!

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Another stupid bit of political decision making is that Lydd Airport, Kent has been granted permission to lengthen its runway.

http://www.lydd-airport.co.uk/

Yet just a few miles up the road at Manston Airport which has the fourth longest runway in the UK is to be turned into industrial units, houses!!!!!

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So tired of how long it takes to build anything other than luxury flats in this country. HS2? Still not started. Runway? Still discussing it. Nuclear power plants? 10 years away. Just bloody get on with it.

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So many millions will be wasted just 'talking'.

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Gatwick and the area surrounding has scope for expansion without much of a fuss. Heathrow should focus being more efficient running 2 runways once Gatwick takes on more of a load.

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There is no room for Heathrow to be more efficient running 2 runways. It runs about as heavily loaded as it is possible to with 2 runways.

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Could Gatwick take some of the load allowing Heathrow to rethink its heavily loaded airport or would Gatwick take on totally different flights?

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Totally different flights. Gatwick (for the most part) handles point to point holiday flights. Heathrow however deals with interlineing "hub and spoke" type flights (when people fly in from 1 part of the world just to fly out again to another destination with the airline).

The ability to interline is VERY important to an airline and that requires most of the airlines hardwere to fly from one place (as well as their partner airlines).

For example to make gatwick as valuable to BA as heathrow is you would need to move the entire BA opperation to gatwick along with the opperations of ALL one world partners. which even with a second runway would simply transfer the capacity issue from heathrow to gatwick.

Landing slots (something that many airports give away) are sooo valuable at heathrow that BA brought an entire alirline (BMI) JUST to get hold of its landing rights.

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Surprised BA never bought out Gatwick and did move all operations and world partners there for their own exclusive use and leave Heathrow to everyone else.

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Not sure the competition watchdog would allow that. :shrug:

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Thank you for the explanation. Would Gatwick expansion positively effect Heathrow at all?

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Its debatable, there still a few point to point airlines left at Heathrow who might move over to Gatwick (though why they havent already as theres is still copacity?) but not enought to make any real difference at Heathrow. IMO Gatwick expansion will make no real difference to issues at Heathrow,

The best solution is as i said earlier. Give BOTH airports there new runway which will get rid of the dreadded heathrow hold stack (where planes circle over London for 30-60 minuites waiting for landing clearence) which would reduce aircraft, noise AND pollution over london (even with increased flight numbers). and as a gesture of goodwill to the anti's give Heathrow a hard cap of 90% capacity (so they can not sell more then 90% of there slots) making emergency recovery easier.

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I know but if all governments did it for one national/flag carrier it would probably not only solve a lot of issues but even reduce the costs of flights.

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Yep it could well do but I dare say that it would result in all sorts of legal challenges from other airlines.

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Those closest to the airport was expected to get some reductions in council tax :confused:

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Obviously we will need the permission of prime minister Trump ,so as we are not seen as harming American interests by building this:nworthy:

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I'm not sure Trump would get involved because the extravagance of a new lavish terminal seem to have been kicked back and instead...

It's hardly eye catching but productive. However...

2.2 billion :shocked: clearly something hasn't been disclosed in the report from SkyNews, what else are Gatwick planning :confused:

:D

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Same rules still apply, I'd also add you don't need to use a claim management company as they'll also take a chunk of compensation and the forms are pretty easy to complete yourself. Just make sure you don't settle too cheaply!!

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It's more than just a runway build

https://www.gatwickairport.com/compa...rn-runway.html

I like this proposal of planes crossing over runways. Gatwick will need the best of operators to run it :D

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<Cough> Manchester<Cough> ;)

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:woot:

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Not exactly the surprise of the century.

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A decision actually being made is!

But let's wait and see. Court challenges and politicians fighting to stop it will kick into hyperdrive now.

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Sounds a lot simpler piece of work than the expansion of Heathrow over the M25, so this must increase its chances of going ahead.