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andrew.shearman 16-01-2014 23:41

virgin media trials-next-generation-tivo-box
 
virgin media trials-next-generation-tivo-box

can I see an photo of the box and if I go over to the new tivo box how would I get my Shows off the box?

Chris 16-01-2014 23:55

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Hold your horses ... it's a small scale trial of a prototype. VM have made no decisions about how or if to roll it out on their network.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...ation-tivo-box

andy_m 17-01-2014 05:51

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This will be years away, if at all, but is important news for one reason - it means Horizon is not inevitable.

mike_gain 17-01-2014 09:52

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If I'm honest I'm not too excited by this. I've had more network communication failures than box failures over the years and I doubt very much whether we'll be given unlimited storage spare for recordings (I can see this being driven more by broadcasters than anything else).

I've always seen cloud(hate that term) solutions as a backup/archive to onsite storage solutions. Even though I can see the advantages of having recordings, series links , wishlist etc stored offsite I'd still be happier to have my recordings in my house.

Perhaps a hybrid solution would work e.g. you could choose which recordings you wanted to archive offsite but you'd still have the option to keep some on the box in the house (although this would need a massive increase in upload speeds on the network or we;d need to choose at time of setting a recording if we wanted it recorded to the box in the house or the offsite storage).

dodgem22 17-01-2014 17:51

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I may get flamed for this but I wish they could get my Tivo of this generation to stop being so tempermental. Mine has constant lock ups and slows down to a crawl if I dont reboot it every 7 to 10 days.

Customer services told me they are supposed to be rebooted weekly whereas a technician has told me that is rubbish!

To cut a very long story short Im now on tivo box number 4 soon to be 5 as having issues again.
Cable and signal been checked so I'm very unlucky with Tivo it would seem.

I do like Tivo but in my case I feel it still needs more work on this generation before worrying about the next.

johnathome 17-01-2014 19:43

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My Tivo has rebooted itself twice in the last two weeks.

The last time was yesterday at about 14.45.

paultrademark 17-01-2014 21:21

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Mines switched itself on at 03:15 today, checked and it had done a network connection at that time... weird.

Luckily I was not long in from work, so switched it quickly off as the sound was blasting out my amp!

Itshim 18-01-2014 07:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35663491)
This will be years away, if at all, but is important news for one reason - it means Horizon is not inevitable.


I love my Horizon box !

denphone 18-01-2014 08:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35663707)
I love my Horizon box !

Well each to their own Itshim because its what suits people at the end of the day and the TiVo suits us fine.:)

dodgem22 18-01-2014 13:14

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I was looking at the website for the horizon box and it seems a good machine apart from one glaring drawback a 400 gig hard drive!

With everybody recording, you’ll need extra storage space, which is why we’ve provided a massive 400Gb - that’s enough for 320 hours of SD content. Taken from upc website

denphone 18-01-2014 13:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dodgem22 (Post 35663778)
I was looking at the website for the horizon box and it seems a good machine apart from one glaring drawback a 400 gig hard drive!

With everybody recording, you’ll need extra storage space, which is why we’ve provided a massive 400Gb - that’s enough for 320 hours of SD content. Taken from upc website

Yes the way we are recording series in our household a 2 or 3TB hard drive would come in handy as lately there have been so many good series on at the same time.

clayts 18-01-2014 16:24

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I spread the love by having series links for 'terrestrial' channels on either my Youview or Freeview HD box, and all the premium stuff on Tivo (I record a lot of 5 day test cricket matches which gobble up space like you wouldn't believe). Seems to work

passingbat 18-01-2014 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35663707)
I love my Horizon box !

Where are you located that gives you access to a Horizon box? Have you moved to Ireland, or another area where they have it?

Stuart 18-01-2014 19:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35663862)
Where are you located that gives you access to a Horizon box? Have you moved to Ireland, or another area where they have it?

Check his location..

Quote:

Location: NearBaton Rouge, Louisiana odd days in Cardiff South Wales
.

So, he is in Louisiana most days..

Nedkelly 18-01-2014 20:16

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I can't see Virgin dropping the Tivo system due to amount of money they have invested in the systems that run it . Just my opinion :)

passingbat 18-01-2014 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35663884)
Check his location..

.

So, he is in Louisiana most days..

I can't see any Liberty Global operations in the US. Could they go under a different name there or do they lease the Horizon box to a US cable company?

http://www.libertyglobal.com/our-operations.html


http://www.libertyglobal.com/horizon.html

Quote:

Horizon will first be introduced by our UPC cable operation in the Netherlands, shortly followed by Liberty Global’s other cable operations across Europe. With Horizon we are reinventing Television

denphone 18-01-2014 20:24

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Originally Posted by Nedkelly (Post 35663900)
I can't see Virgin dropping the Tivo system due to amount of money they have invested in the systems that run it . Just my opinion :)

Ditto.

OLD BOY 18-01-2014 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_gain (Post 35663507)
If I'm honest I'm not too excited by this. I've had more network communication failures than box failures over the years and I doubt very much whether we'll be given unlimited storage spare for recordings (I can see this being driven more by broadcasters than anything else).

I've always seen cloud(hate that term) solutions as a backup/archive to onsite storage solutions. Even though I can see the advantages of having recordings, series links , wishlist etc stored offsite I'd still be happier to have my recordings in my house.

Perhaps a hybrid solution would work e.g. you could choose which recordings you wanted to archive offsite but you'd still have the option to keep some on the box in the house (although this would need a massive increase in upload speeds on the network or we;d need to choose at time of setting a recording if we wanted it recorded to the box in the house or the offsite storage).

I doubt whether we will ever get unlimited recordings, but one major advantage is that if our box goes down, it doesn't take all the recordings with it. Personally, I think that having all my recordings on the cloud is a big plus.

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Originally Posted by Nedkelly (Post 35663900)
I can't see Virgin dropping the Tivo system due to amount of money they have invested in the systems that run it . Just my opinion :)

They may do in the future, I think, but it is probably a long way off. We certainly need more recording space than is allowed on Horizon, although the cloud may overcome this little difficulty.

RichardCoulter 19-01-2014 01:33

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They're probably locked into a contract with TiVo, but Horizon would save VM a lot of money in licensing fees.

AFAIK, Horizon doesn't have 'Wishlists' and this feature is copyrighted to TiVo.

Itshim 19-01-2014 09:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35663711)
Well each to their own Itshim because its what suits people at the end of the day and the TiVo suits us fine.:)

One box supplies all the TV`s etc playing back different channels if required to each. Heck its even been set up to play to my TV when I am in Cardiff , so I can watch what ever I want, that's been recorded at home. Sorry but the Virgin version of Tivo is so last year ( and that's being kind) :dozey:

Sorry Den my son has just seen this - its not a horizon - shows how much I know !! its a contour

muppetman11 19-01-2014 10:21

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35663977)
One box supplies all the TV`s etc playing back different channels if required to each. Heck its even been set up to play to my TV when I am in Cardiff , so I can watch what ever I want, that's been recorded at home. Sorry but the Virgin version of Tivo is so last year ( and that's being kind) :dozey:

Sorry Den my son has just seen this - its not a horizon - shows how much I know !! its a contour

Sorry but they're hardly comparable , the US market has always been a year or two in front of us with innovations , I used to spend a lot of time in the US and they had things like whole home DVR a good few years back long before we saw it here , the system your referring to is Cox Communications 'Contour'.

passingbat 19-01-2014 12:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35663977)
One box supplies all the TV`s etc playing back different channels if required to each. Heck its even been set up to play to my TV when I am in Cardiff , so I can watch what ever I want, that's been recorded at home. Sorry but the Virgin version of Tivo is so last year ( and that's being kind) :dozey:

Sorry Den my son has just seen this - its not a horizon - shows how much I know !! its a contour

Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35663986)
Sorry but they're hardly comparable , the US market has always been a year or two in front of us with innovations , I used to spend a lot of time in the US and they had things like whole home DVR a good few years back long before we saw it here , the system your referring to is Cox Communications 'Contour'.

And they don't have the same restrictions with streaming content in the US as we do here. just look at the terrible state of MRS channels, though I'm beginning to think VM may be to blame for a good part of that. I've been looking into Freeview PVRs recently and the Panasonic ones have been able to stream recorded content to other compatible DLNA devices for the last two years; The latest Humax ones are supposed to do the same.

mike_gain 19-01-2014 12:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35663927)
I doubt whether we will ever get unlimited recordings, but one major advantage is that if our box goes down, it doesn't take all the recordings with it. Personally, I think that having all my recordings on the cloud is a big plus.

I think only having all my recordings in the cloud is a big risk. Most people would not be able to take advantage of having all their recordings offsite as their box would not fail but they would almost certainly be hit by the almost inevitable unreliability of the service.

Would happily have some or, if possible, all recordings backed up to the cloud in the unlikely event that one of my boxes fails but I'd always want direct access to them on the box.

Even better would be the option for me to backup the encrypted recordings myself. I wouldn't mind if they were backed up in a state that would only allow playback on a Tivo.

However none of this will ever take off until broadcasters change their attitude to streaming. I can't stream most of the recorded content I have 30 feet through my house.If the broadcasters are nervous about this (or slap a huge cost onto this) I can't see it being any better when streaming over the internet.


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