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Chris 13-01-2014 22:22

Benefits Street
 
A thread to discuss the TV show that sparked so much controversy last week. Episode 2 airs on Channel 4 at 9pm tonight.

Please note, this is for discussion of the TV show, how it has been made and the people featured in it. We have a current affairs thread for discussing welfare policy, please try not to confuse the two.

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20 minutes in and I'm giving up.

martyh 13-01-2014 22:25

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35662522)
A thread to discuss the TV show that sparked so much controversy last week. Episode 2 airs on Channel 4 at 9pm tonight.

Please note, this is for discussion of the TV show, how it has been made and the people featured in it. We have a current affairs thread for discussing welfare policy, please try not to confuse the two.

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20 minutes in and I'm giving up.

I watched one last week and just got mad ,I decided that putting cretins like those on TV was not a good idea

Chris 13-01-2014 22:59

Re: Benefits Street
 
It was mildly annoying seeing people living their lives in such ignorance but it was mostly annoying for the complete lack of any analysis or context. I have better things to do than simply gawp at unemployed people like some sort of Victorian freak show.

Stephen 14-01-2014 10:49

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If I wanted to watch the unemployed I'd just look in a mirror lol.

Failing that I am in the East End of Glasgow, plenty of areas like that around here.

Derek 14-01-2014 10:56

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It reminded me of a previous area I worked in. Same piles of rubbish, same cast of characters from the local junkies to the 'ill' whose ailments and crutches vanished if they needed to run from the Police.

It's all just a bit depressing. For every one trying to better the area or themselves there are plenty more who just take, take, take with no thought to anyone else.

dilli-theclaw 14-01-2014 11:16

Re: Benefits Street
 
This is just another example of a media hatchet job. These days a lot of people think this is how it is everywhere. I'm sure there good AND bad examples of people. Of course shows like this get far more viewers / publicity by showing the bad ones.

But what still gets me is whey the people in it allow the cameras / 'documentary' makers to do such a hatchet job on them. Surely they have a little common sense and know what's coming?

Anyway I'm sure it'll continue to be a good ratings show and will be back for another series.

tizmeinnit 14-01-2014 11:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35662617)
This is just another example of a media hatchet job. These days a lot of people think this is how it is everywhere. I'm sure there good AND bad examples of people. Of course shows like this get far more viewers / publicity by showing the bad ones.

But what still gets me is whey the people in it allow the cameras / 'documentary' makers to do such a hatchet job on them. Surely they have a little common sense and know what's coming?

Anyway I'm sure it'll continue to be a good ratings show and will be back for another series.

exactly you can almost see Cameron in a Burns esq pose cackling to himself thinking this is what I want them to believe

denphone 14-01-2014 11:27

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Only the uneducated and ignorant will think this is representative of the vast majority of people who are unemployed as l know or have known quite a few people who get benefits and they are nothing like the portrayel's depicted on rubbish like this.

dilli-theclaw 14-01-2014 11:37

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35662621)
Only the uneducated and ignorant will think this is representative of the vast majority of people who are unemployed as l know or have known quite a few people who get benefits and they are nothing like the portrayel's depicted on rubbish like this.

You'd think so - but many and I include a lot of posters on here just don't think that way.

Russ 14-01-2014 11:38

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They wanted to make a show that got people talking. Job done.

denphone 14-01-2014 11:48

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35662622)
You'd think so - but many and I include a lot of posters on here just don't think that way.

The trouble is with some of the media in this country is that many have certain agenda's at misrepresenting certain groups and suffice to say this is just one of them as yes there is a small minority who abuse things but the vast majority do not but alas if you shout loud enough people will believe it and regard it as the truth sadly.

Kabaal 14-01-2014 11:53

Re: Benefits Street
 
An awful show that belongs in the Daily Mail.

weenie 15-01-2014 02:34

Re: Benefits Street
 
Found it quite upsetting and really depressing tbh, will not be watching it again so sad those little ones really don't stand a chance God Love Them...

alferret 16-01-2014 21:51

Re: Benefits Street
 
Watched the first 2 episodes today. Didn't find it upsetting, in fact found it to be quite interesting and educational. I didn't know that lining your bag with tin foil should/could evade rfid tags.

Chris 16-01-2014 22:02

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What are you planning to do with that information then? :scratch: :D

Jimmy-J 16-01-2014 22:49

Re: Benefits Street
 
I believe the child bride has had a baby.

Gary L 16-01-2014 23:14

Re: Benefits Street
 
I drove through that road last Saturday. I saw white Dee.

there's a fund set up to raise some money to buy her a bra.

tizmeinnit 16-01-2014 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35663426)
Watched the first 2 episodes today. Didn't find it upsetting, in fact found it to be quite interesting and educational. I didn't know that lining your bag with tin foil should/could evade rfid tags.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35663430)
What are you planning to do with that information then? :scratch: :D

thing is it will give others ideas. If they want a educational program for shoplifters and criminals they are going the right way

weenie 17-01-2014 00:34

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:clap:
Quote:

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35663463)
thing is it will give others ideas. If they want a educational program for shoplifters and criminals they are going the right way

:clap:
could not agree more :)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alferret (Post 35663426)
Watched the first 2 episodes today. Didn't find it upsetting, in fact found it to be quite interesting and educational. I didn't know that lining your bag with tin foil should/could evade rfid tags.

What I found upsetting is how the little children had to live :( what does child aid say no child should live in poverty...

Derek 18-01-2014 09:20

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No scandal has been more successfully covered up than the appalling truth about what happens to Britain’s poorest people. We have, as a country, grown used to pretending they don’t exist; we shovel them off to edge-of-town housing estates and pay them to stay there in economic exile. We give them welfare for the foreseeable future, and wish them luck in their drug-addled welfare ghettos. This is our country’s dirty little secret, which has just been exposed by a devastating Channel*4 documentary. And the left are furious.


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http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...-dirty-secret/

Damien 18-01-2014 11:58

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35663727)


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http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/...-dirty-secret/

That was a good article and I think he is mostly right. However I think he misrepresents the view of those on the left.

They would say it's a case of further demonisation of those on benefits rather than a serious examination of social injustice. I guess whose right depends on if you view the residents of Benefit Street as victims of economics or if you view them as lazy scourgers. It's highlighted by the fact the reaction to show has mostly been anger on either side. Either people are angry at the people in the show or angry at those who made it. Thoughtful reflections on the show or the situation it depicts, Fraser Nelson aside, are few and far between.

weenie 18-01-2014 16:55

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I see them as Victims and the only winners here are the people making a documentary about them, I hope with the profit they make out this programme they help them in some way I doubt it though...

martyh 18-01-2014 17:35

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35663833)
I see them as Victims and the only winners here are the people making a documentary about them, I hope with the profit they make out this programme they help them in some way I doubt it though...



If people aren't prepared to help themselves i don't see why they should keep getting handouts and extra help

weenie 18-01-2014 18:18

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35663845)
If people aren't prepared to help themselves i don't see why they should keep getting handouts and extra help

:LOL: You sound like my husband he beliefs in what you are saying, I just felt a tad sorry for them especially the little kids, but I know what you mean as my eldest son is at uni and has to works part time in Sainsburys to put himself through his course as he is entitled to nothing and I mean nothing no dental treatment etc but he has been brought up to expect nothing for nothing so I totally get your point and it is a :gpoint:

Maggy 19-01-2014 00:39

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35663767)
That was a good article and I think he is mostly right. However I think he misrepresents the view of those on the left.

They would say it's a case of further demonisation of those on benefits rather than a serious examination of social injustice. I guess whose right depends on if you view the residents of Benefit Street as victims of economics or if you view them as lazy scourgers. It's highlighted by the fact the reaction to show has mostly been anger on either side. Either people are angry at the people in the show or angry at those who made it. Thoughtful reflections on the show or the situation it depicts, Fraser Nelson aside, are few and far between.

What gave me pause for thought is that they edited out the only working couple..The reasoning being that one of them was a benefit officer.Seems a poor reason to me unless the producers had an agenda or couldn't sell the programme as it was edited.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-25750475

weenie 19-01-2014 18:43

Re: Benefits Street
 
I did not know that, food for thought as WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT

Hugh 19-01-2014 19:14

Re: Benefits Street
 
Because (perhaps), the benefits officers recorded comments could reflect badly upon his views on claimants or his employers, which can be a dismissable offence in some companies.

Maggy 19-01-2014 19:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35664260)
Because (perhaps), the benefits officers recorded comments could reflect badly upon his views on claimants or his employers, which can be a dismissable offence in some companies.

Well that's why you have editors and producers..It certainly would have been nice to have some 'balance' of a working couple to provide a contrast.

weenie 19-01-2014 19:57

Re: Benefits Street
 
I think it would have been good if they filmed the working couple it would have been good to see what they thought of the street they lived in and generally give there point of view...

martyh 19-01-2014 20:32

Re: Benefits Street
 
The main criticism of the program is that there is no context,no balance and no examination of how people ended up like they are in the street.Basically it is just a peep show

weenie 19-01-2014 20:42

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yip I agree it seems to be very one sided...I would like to have found out why they are there how they got there and did they ever have a job...basically some context...

dilli-theclaw 19-01-2014 20:43

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35664271)
I think it would have been good if they filmed the working couple it would have been good to see what they thought of the street they lived in and generally give there point of view...

If I read it correctly they DID film the working couple but chose not to include them. More bias from the film makers?

weenie 19-01-2014 21:00

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You did read it correctly that is what I meant why would they have edited them out, surely it would have been good to see both sides the working and the unemployed points of view on the street. Example, the working family and their thoughts of the street, sorry I was was not clear I realized this when I looked at my post...

Hugh 25-01-2014 13:16

Re: Benefits Street
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-25894192

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Seven people have been charged with drug dealing offences after raids on James Turner Street in Birmingham.

Six of those charged live in the road - the subject of the Channel 4 documentary series Benefits Street - and one lives in Handsworth.

Officers said they recovered class A and B drugs during the raids in June. The raids came after concerns were raised locally, police said.

Gary L 25-01-2014 13:21

Re: Benefits Street
 
This happened in June last year?

have they only just been charged for it? and that's why the BBC published it. and you posted it here?

Hugh 25-01-2014 13:24

Re: Benefits Street
 
From the West Midlands Police link in the BBC Story

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/l...ws.aspx?id=201

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After ongoing enquiries, on Wednesday 22 January 2014, seven people were charged with a number of offences and all have been bailed to appear before Birmingham Magistrates Court on 6 February.

Gary L 25-01-2014 13:27

Re: Benefits Street
 
Ok.
well they're loved celebrities now.
and any action taken against them will be seen as (what's the word?) and will probably cause a riot :)

Jimmy-J 25-01-2014 13:42

Re: Benefits Street
 
White Dee was on the phone to Clegg the other day, he was asked what he thought about Benefit Street, he replied 'I haven't read it.' Anyway, she's invited him round for a cuppa.

Gary L 25-01-2014 13:44

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35665884)
White Dee was on the phone to Clegg the other day, he was asked what he thought about Benefit Street, he replied 'I haven't read it.' Anyway, she's invited him round for a cuppa.

That was nice of her.
I reckon one or two of them will be on the next celebrity big brother.

Jimmy-J 25-01-2014 13:50

Re: Benefits Street
 
Or even the jungle. Definitely one of them, or maybe both?

Gary L 25-01-2014 13:52

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All of them would be great!

Hugh 25-01-2014 14:15

Re: Benefits Street
 
The fee from that would affect their benefits entitlement.....

weenie 25-01-2014 17:14

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35665896)
The fee from that would affect their benefits entitlement.....

So no chance then :erm:

Gary L 25-01-2014 20:58

Re: Benefits Street
 
They won't be on benefits.
they're celebrities.

Hugh 26-01-2014 00:39

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35665995)
They won't be on benefits.
they're celebrities.

That worked so well for Kerry Katona....

Jimmy-J 26-01-2014 05:11

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35663449)
I believe the child bride has had a baby.

Quote:

Police have launched an investigation after a 15-year-old ‘child bride’ featured on Benefits Street.
Neither producers nor Channel 4 contacted police or social services, despite filming the girl’s Romanian husband Stefan Stana admitting that he had flouted British law.
Quote:

Only a few months later, the teenager, thought to be called Madalina Balasa, gave birth to a baby girl in a Birmingham hospital.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...old-bride.html

weenie 30-01-2014 14:01

Re: Benefits Street
 
I think the age of consent in Romania is 15, so surely if this happened in Romania they broke no law, I'm not saying it is right but as far they are concerned they broke no Law ... if the age is 15 and it happened in there home country..:erm: The husband said Britain frowns upon this as she is classed as a minor here but not in his culture ...
According to the dailymail The couple no longer live in the street so officers are ‘keen to speak to her’ or anyone who knows her whereabouts.

dilli-theclaw 03-02-2014 12:16

Re: Benefits Street
 
I s anyone planning to watch the programme debating this subject on ch5 tonight?

denphone 03-02-2014 12:29

Re: Benefits Street
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35668627)
I s anyone planning to watch the programme debating this subject on ch5 tonight?

:no: as these debates generally degenerate into who is the biggest rabble rouser on both sides of the debate.


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