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Are here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...urs-lists-2014

Not many well known figures this year. I think Andy Murray has been overlooked to be honest. He might have been expected to wait until the end of his career but with Sir Bradley Wiggins getting one for winning the Tour de France then winning the US Open, a Gold Medal and Wimbledon should be enough as well.

I am also beginning to think Stephen Fry has turned down all honours since he has never been given one.

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lot of tory donors and friends of DC got them also

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The same way a lot of friends of Blair and Brown and Labour donors did when they were in power.

Give it a rest, and take some time to smell what you're shovelling.

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Which at the time people also commented upon.

That said I don't know how we know that there are a lot of Conservative donors on the list, it's only just come out.

Moving slightly off-topic however I find it interesting that most of the former Conservative Prime Minsters since WW2 have a Knighthood and none of the Labour ones do.

Since Sir Winston Churchill (who we'll take as a given and just count after) there have been 5 Tory PMs who've received a Knighthood (Eden, Douglas-Home, Heath, Thatcher and Major) out of 7 Conservative PMs with one of them currently serving (Cameron) and only Macmillan missing out from those who've finished their terms. No Labour Prime Minster (out of 6) has received one.

Not saying anything, I have no idea when or why they were knighted after all, I just find it a interesting quirk. My main theory is that Labour, especially Old Labour, would have been less likely to accept knighthoods from the Queen.....

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The queen's obviously a fan of the nasty party.

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Queen doesn't decide. Also I think it's more a case that the Labour Party weren't a big fan of the Monarchy.

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Clement Atlee became Earl Atlee, Jim Callaghan became Baron Callaghan of Cardiff, and Harold Wilson became Baron Wilson of Reivaulx.

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Anyone give a toss about this or any other years list, it means very little to the ordinary man on the street.

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hear hear :clap::clap::clap:

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From the BBC website.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25550751

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Hugh, how many of them got the top awards, you know the ones you can make a few quid from by lending your name to stuff, first of all they tried to fool us by allowing actors and sports persons on to the list and then by allowing the little people on in a minor capacity but I don't think we're fooled and this outdated way of rewarding friends and cronies is almost universally seen for what it is.

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I don't disagree with you re the 'top awards', but 74% went to people who are making a difference to 'people in the street'.

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Colour me skeptical but it seems like a "nod and a wink" to the charity & voluntary sector to try to keep them on message - as such.

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The honours list is outdated and should be scrapped.

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Personally we need a more meritocratic system where honours are given out on the basis of individual ability or achievement and not on the same predictable well we are in power so we will hand out a few to those who serve us loyally.

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It isn't a Tory or Labour thing - friends of any government will always feature in the list.

I disagree that it should be scrapped though - it's a nice way to recognise legitimate charity work by ordinary people. There may well be an element of "look how nice we are" by the government when the awards go to one of us but still, they do get the recognition.

I do think Murray should have had a mention though, just like (the English) Bradley Wiggins did for similar achievements in his field 12 months ago.

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Still waiting for my Honour award for putting up with crap governments for the last 39 years...

Makes you laugh when the film bods who have lived in Yankee land most of their lives and don't really give a toss about old Blighty get a title or gong of no significance.

As for the Industrialist types who close our factories and lose British jobs (to make more profit by way of low slave wages in Asia) how do they warrant a gong (e.g. Dyson).

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oh right so just because the old government does it makes it ok for the new one to also.

Let me make this clear for you Pierre I do not support either party so coming at me with Labour did it to is a pathetic waste of time because I already know. I pass you the shovel to clear your mess

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such as ?

I daresay there will be some people honoured who know Cameron and have donated to the Tory party but i seriously doubt that is why they received an honour .There is a lot more scrutiny of the honours list these days so it is harder to get away with giving honours to friends ,it should also be noted that the majority of honours went to women for the first time ever this year.

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read an article on a newspaper site most likely biased but still fair few on the list

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God darn it. Why can't the honors system be simple. I thought I caught that Thatcher he rest don't even have those titles in their names in common usage unlike Baroness Thatcher.

I stand corrected.

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According to the Independents "cronyism" article they list about 10 out of 1,195 people so not really a lot and whose to say that none of those haven't contributed greatly and deserve the honour given to them .

Simply saying

is just not correct especially since some of those where Labour and Lib Dem mp's.

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No not right at all, what did the ten get, CBE, OBE :rolleyes:

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some yes

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Can someone explain to me why the hell Karren Brady has been honoured in the honours list, what has she done apart from introducing that fool Osborne the other day.

I watched her on Tv yesterday praising David and the party for what they have achieved. Maybe she can sorry to all the unemployed in the area of East London which surrounds West Ham.

All her family are millionaires, What about the other people who should have an honour such as David Beckham, who is a great ambassador for Sport and Bruce Forsyth.

It makes me sick that Cameron has given 'prizes' of knighthoods to the donors of the Tory party. What about the people who really deserve nonours - or do they have to pay for it.

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Do you mean like these people, Arthur? Or do you think they were recognised for the excellent work they have done?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25549054

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25542665


As for entertainers, how about these?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25550631

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You mean Sir Bruce Forsyth CBE, and David Beckham OBE :dozey:

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That would be Bruce Forsyth OBE,CBE to you

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I'm sure if Dave could, Arthur. he'd give himself all the titles and awards going.

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Some but the majority were given the top award

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-rewarded.html


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[/COLOR]Dave's cleaner got one...

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Why Andy Murray?

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Arthur, rather than just spewing your bitter uneducated bile all the time, why not do a bit of research. Here I will help you.

She happens to be a very well respected business woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karren_Brady

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"Nonours" possibly the best Freudian slip ever.

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He already has an OBE and a Knighthood.

Other than being made king or given a sainthood, I think he's done.

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Again and ageain, l get riducukled over a comment that l have made.

There are much more deserving people in this country that are constanly overlooked.

My question was What has Karren Brady done to deserve an honour, yes she may be a big business person. BUT what has she done to deserve an award. When other people have been overlooked.

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It's comments like this Arthur that provoke ridicule - if thats what you feel it is.

what has she done apart from introducing that fool Osborne the other day.

Well an awful lot if you read up on her For example - Brady has also been named as ambassador for Barclays Lifeskills, which aims to offer young people workplace experience.

Maybe she can sorry to all the unemployed in the area of East London which surrounds West Ham.

Why, what has that got to do with her - she is probably generating employment in the area with the refurb of the Olympic Stadium for West Hams football ground

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Isn't there talk of her standing for Tory MP at the next election or even London mayor as well, draw your own conclusions.

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Mrs Cameron?
what title has he give her then?

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British Empire medal, Henrietta Shorter

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There are more important people that deserve honours before her.

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Who would you put in there then Arthur?

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LOL cleaners get a medal each.

what does his wife do all day?

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Arthur deserves an honour for all his cycling..

I mean work with the vulnerable..

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I work with a lot of vulnerable people and l am proud of it, l dont deserve a medal - its all the people that are on the streets of the UK, and the people that have been hit by Camerons party cutbacks that deserve a medal - never minf 2015 will see him kick out.

Its so funny that he is trying to tell the Scottish what to, Scots cannot wait to see the back of him.

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there is more than one type of knighthood ;)

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Is there? Not that I'm aware of. Do tell.

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I'd say there is, what with the chivalric orders

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Just to clarify, I'm talking about knighthoods given to joe public, and secondly if it's possible to be knighted twice. I.e one order of a knight trumps another.

As going back to my original post I said Bruce Forsyth was already knighted, only to be advised there were further knighthoods available, with a knowing wink.

I'm happy to be advised

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Yes that's what I'm talking about to, order of the garter, order of bath etc all have knighthoods attached iirc and the garter is the highest honour of all, again iirc.

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feel free to research it I already have done and I know I am right

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I was pleased to see this guy get some recognition.

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update...streetcleaner/

I know some will say it is just his job, but it doesn't tell the full story of the lengths he goes to in order to keep the place clean and tidy. He is very committed to his job and has often been known to clear up litter when he is walking through town and not on duty. He always appears to be on the go, I have rarely seen the guy take a break.

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But can you be knighted twice?

Could Bruce be knighted again?

Most "entertainment" knights are knights bachelor, can they be made chivalry knights?

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spose it depends on what he did to earn the upgrade

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I'm asking if it is possible. You've done the research.

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and I told you to do your own ;)

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Well, as seen as you obviously don't know I would.

If I could be arsed. Which I can't.

I just wanted confirmation that you didn't know, which you have now given.

Cheers.
P

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least I knew there were more than 1 knighthood which you disputed who looks sillier? ;)

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On the contrary.

I stated that dear old Bruce had been honoured up, so to speak, having received an OBE and
Knighthood.

You then stated, .....with a knowing wink,..... that there were other knighthoods available. Intimating that Brucey may not be done but could actually trade up to a more superior
Knighthood.

I had never heard of this possibility and It was this assertion that I doubted.

You also stated that you had........ "done the research"

But you have just admitted that you do not actually know if this is the case,.....so why the knowing wink???.....

So no, compared to you, no I don't feel silly at all.

Quite the opposite.