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Arthurgray50@blu 26-12-2013 18:33

Just think when you park
 
http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...rking-charges/

I remember last year a documentarty was shown on Tv about CCTV camera's were giving out parking tickets for illegal parking, like confette.

This was one item that caught my eye, it just makes me wonder who pockets the money, and each year the cost goes up.

I live near Hounslow, and if you ever go to the Blenheim Centre, the price has increased twice over the past 18 months, although you can park in ASDA, providing you buy goods over £10.00.

You can see parking attendants on every corner. In Central London parking is 50p for THREE MINUTES.

If there is a road near you that people know where to park for free. Guaranteed next year there will be parking meters there - another rip off by councils.

richard s 27-12-2013 10:50

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Come down here Arthur. In my borough you can park FREE of charge for up to 2 hours (one still requires a ticket to display though... all FREE.

Taf 27-12-2013 12:29

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Our council say that charges and fines only just cover their costs. I think not.

solitaire 27-12-2013 14:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35657987)
http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...rking-charges/

I remember last year a documentarty was shown on Tv about CCTV camera's were giving out parking tickets for illegal parking, like confette.

This was one item that caught my eye, it just makes me wonder who pockets the money, and each year the cost goes up.

I live near Hounslow, and if you ever go to the Blenheim Centre, the price has increased twice over the past 18 months, although you can park in ASDA, providing you buy goods over £10.00.

You can see parking attendants on every corner. In Central London parking is 50p for THREE MINUTES.

If there is a road near you that people know where to park for free. Guaranteed next year there will be parking meters there - another rip off by councils.

That does sound quite a rip off. I live in Great Sutton Cheshire, and when I park in nearby Ellesmere Port I pay 50p for four hours parking, or £1 for 6 hours and then it's free parking for arrivals after 3.00 pm.

Stephen 27-12-2013 17:18

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Sorry but to me this is not a news worthy story.

People are parking in places they shouldn't, just because they can't find a proper space.

For example near where I stay just in the east end of Glasgow after the Royal Infirmary.

People constantly park on double yellow lines and in front of gates and emergency access points. There has not been a traffic warden in over 2 years here which is why people think they can get away with it! There is a call centre and the hosptial nearby.

If the council put out the yellow no parking cones for when they need to paint the road markings or do some work, people just move them on to the pavement and park there anyway!

So I am all for people getting parking tickets if it will teach them a lesson. I always walk past and feel like telling them to move or calling the council myself and telling them about it as they don't bother around here.

There are parking restrictions for a reason, keeping streets tidier, stopping congestion at busy times and making the place look neater.

PS. Arthur the money from fines goes back in to the pot and it goes towards repairing the roads.

RizzyKing 27-12-2013 19:41

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Up to four years ago there were no parking charges where I live for years the council told us it was to bolster the local economy and promote trade. Then charging came in started off very reasonable for the first year 20p per two hours but now it's upto £1.20 per two hours and is increasing to £1.50 next year. Now any street within fifteen minutes walk of the high street is loaded up in the day with cars trying to avoid the charges on some streets they are reduced to single lane with both sides full of cars. There has been no noticeable benefit to our town from the extra money roads are in worse repair then they have ever been. Granted where I live is a backwards little market town where it seems once elected to the council all common sense and intelligence is removed fast as possible.

Stuart 27-12-2013 20:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35657987)
http://www.itv.com/news/london/story...rking-charges/

I remember last year a documentarty was shown on Tv about CCTV camera's were giving out parking tickets for illegal parking, like confette.

This was one item that caught my eye, it just makes me wonder who pockets the money, and each year the cost goes up.

I live near Hounslow, and if you ever go to the Blenheim Centre, the price has increased twice over the past 18 months, although you can park in ASDA, providing you buy goods over £10.00.

You can see parking attendants on every corner. In Central London parking is 50p for THREE MINUTES.

If there is a road near you that people know where to park for free. Guaranteed next year there will be parking meters there - another rip off by councils.

Living just off our local high street and having to put up with the problems caused by people who are too tight to pay for a space in one of the 4 local car parks (one of which is a few metres from the end of my road), I really wish the council would introduce a permit parking scheme in my area. Apparently our local resident's association tried to get the council to start one and was told in no uncertain terms that the council considered a good source of free parking spaces for the workers of the local Sainsburys..

blackthorn 27-12-2013 20:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by solitaire (Post 35658103)
That does sound quite a rip off. I live in Great Sutton Cheshire, and when I park in nearby Ellesmere Port I pay 50p for four hours parking, or £1 for 6 hours and then it's free parking for arrivals after 3.00 pm.

You only get 2 hours not 4 hours for 50p, I park there most days

LSainsbury 27-12-2013 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35657987)

In Central London parking is 50p for THREE MINUTES.


http://www.q-park.co.uk/parking/lond...-oxford-street

Up to 1 hour = £5.

That's about 41p for 5 mins.

That's NOT 50p for 3 minutes Arthur. Where do you get these statistics from? Dreamland?

TheDaddy 27-12-2013 23:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35658132)
Sorry but to me this is not a news worthy story.

People are parking in places they shouldn't, just because they can't find a proper space.

For example near where I stay just in the east end of Glasgow after the Royal Infirmary.

People constantly park on double yellow lines and in front of gates and emergency access points. There has not been a traffic warden in over 2 years here which is why people think they can get away with it! There is a call centre and the hosptial nearby.

If the council put out the yellow no parking cones for when they need to paint the road markings or do some work, people just move them on to the pavement and park there anyway!

So I am all for people getting parking tickets if it will teach them a lesson. I always walk past and feel like telling them to move or calling the council myself and telling them about it as they don't bother around here.

There are parking restrictions for a reason, keeping streets tidier, stopping congestion at busy times and making the place look neater.

PS. Arthur the money from fines goes back in to the pot and it goes towards repairing the roads.

The rac and aa disagree with you on all counts, they say it's gone beyond deterrent and is unsurprisingly being used as a cash cow and that they suspect the hundreds of millions fines bring in isn't used on the 'delapidated road network' at all


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9021191.html

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Originally Posted by LSainsbury (Post 35658200)
http://www.q-park.co.uk/parking/lond...-oxford-street

Up to 1 hour = £5.

That's about 41p for 5 mins.

That's NOT 50p for 3 minutes Arthur. Where do you get these statistics from? Dreamland?

What because he was 9 pence and 2 minutes out he's in dreamland, I've moaned about Arthur's inaccuracy before but if we're going to get this finicky this place is going to get very dull very quickly or was it just another excuse to have a pop at Arthur as has been your want over the last few days.

jamiefrost 28-12-2013 08:57

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It's quite simple, don't park illegally don't see the problem. Same with speeding, don't like the points and the fines then don't risk it by speeding.

One of the biggest problems we have is that we are too soft on crime in general. People complain we aren't tough enough on crime then complain about the smaller things like parking fines.

If the penalty for speeding or drink driving was a permanent ban 1st time no second chances then how many people would risk it? You will get a hardcore who won't care but you get that anyway and there are ways of dealing with that.

J

tizmeinnit 28-12-2013 09:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 35658244)
It's quite simple, don't park illegally don't see the problem. Same with speeding, don't like the points and the fines then don't risk it by speeding.

One of the biggest problems we have is that we are too soft on crime in general. People complain we aren't tough enough on crime then complain about the smaller things like parking fines.

If the penalty for speeding or drink driving was a permanent ban 1st time no second chances then how many people would risk it? You will get a hardcore who won't care but you get that anyway and there are ways of dealing with that.

J

it is the classic double standard. Someone will stand up and say one thing is wrong and get all moral about it but then admit to speeding regularly amongst other things

if you can't do the time don't do the crime. Although I do think parking charges in town are killing the highstreet

Russ 28-12-2013 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 35658244)
It's quite simple, don't park illegally don't see the problem. Same with speeding, don't like the points and the fines then don't risk it by speeding.

Spoken like a true non-driver :)

We don't object to parking tickets/fines, just the underhanded tactics used by the authorities. If it was a level playing field then that would be one thing but councils often make parking expensive and/or too far from where you actually want to get to. All in a warped and over-enthusiastic effort to force us on to sub-standard public transport.

I moaned about this on Facebook earlier: I haven't taken a bus in many years but seeing as the weather was bad and I didn't feel like driving I looked in to getting a bus in to Swansea yesterday. The bus stop is about 150 yards from my house so I checked the times etc and was about to decide on it when I saw the price - £4.50 for a single therefore £9 round-trip. Petrol costs would be about £2.50.

In parts of Swansea I can park for free for 3 hours.

As such I have zero incentive to use the council's public transport.

Gary L 28-12-2013 09:40

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It's the same with hospitals. build a brand new massive hospital with no parking.

you can't even drop people off. it's constantly total chaos.

LSainsbury 28-12-2013 10:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35658207)
What because he was 9 pence and 2 minutes out he's in dreamland, I've moaned about Arthur's inaccuracy before but if we're going to get this finicky this place is going to get very dull very quickly or was it just another excuse to have a pop at Arthur as has been your want over the last few days.

I was just pointing out that his price was incorrect. My example was the worst case as well - Cavendish Square is horrendously expensive and other car parks are cheaper.

Hugh 28-12-2013 10:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35658207)
The rac and aa disagree with you on all counts, they say it's gone beyond deterrent and is unsurprisingly being used as a cash cow and that they suspect the hundreds of millions fines bring in isn't used on the 'delapidated road network' at all


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9021191.html

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What because he was 9 pence and 2 minutes out he's in dreamland, I've moaned about Arthur's inaccuracy before but if we're going to get this finicky this place is going to get very dull very quickly or was it just another excuse to have a pop at Arthur as has been your want over the last few days.

there's a big difference between £10 per hour parking (Arthur's quote) and £5 per hour parking (LS's quote)...

I agree with you that people should focus on facts (or errors in them) rather than the person involved.

SimpleSimon 28-12-2013 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35658171)
Up to four years ago there were no parking charges where I live for years the council told us it was to bolster the local economy and promote trade. Then charging came in started off very reasonable for the first year 20p per two hours but now it's upto £1.20 per two hours and is increasing to £1.50 next year. Now any street within fifteen minutes walk of the high street is loaded up in the day with cars trying to avoid the charges on some streets they are reduced to single lane with both sides full of cars. There has been no noticeable benefit to our town from the extra money roads are in worse repair then they have ever been. Granted where I live is a backwards little market town where it seems once elected to the council all common sense and intelligence is removed fast as possible.

Thats when the Council come in and say they can sort the issue by bringing in Residents Parking Zones and charge you for it. So the council cause's the issue then charge you to fix it.

I really feel like doing a Freedom of Information request to my local council and ask how much they receive from Car Parking charges and Parking fines and also ask how much it costs to run this service and see if the 2 equate, which I doubt.

I really think that councils should only be able to charge enough to cover the cost of running the service.

Russ 28-12-2013 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35658247)
It's the same with hospitals. build a brand new massive hospital with no parking.

you can't even drop people off. it's constantly total chaos.

Hospital parking is free.

Stephen 28-12-2013 10:43

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658262)
Hospital parking is free.

Everywhere?

Many Glasgow Hospitals had ticket machines up till a couple of years ago and the nearest to me the GRI has its own multi storey car park which I am not sure if it is free.

In fact there are charges at most Glasgow hospitals

http://www.nhsggc.org.uk/CONTENT/def...sp?page=s783_1
Quote:

Parking at Glasgow Royal Infirmary

Glasgow Royal Infirmary only has one car park available for visitors and patients to the hospital; it is the 700+ space multi-storey car park situated next to the Accident and Emergency department.
Access to the Hospital from the MSCP can be made through the Jubilee Entrance, this will allow visitors access to all departments throughout the hospital.
Charges for parking in the car park are as follows (seven days/week):
  • 8am to 6pm - £1.50/hour
  • 6pm to 8am - £1.40 for the first hour and an additional £1.40 for any amount of time after the first hour (for example, £2.80 if you stay all night).
  • 7 consecutive day Ticket £48
  • 3 Exits Ticket (over 9 days) £25.00
  • 7 Exits Ticket (over 21 days) £53.00
  • 14 Exits Ticket (over 42 days) £95.00
There are also monthly parking permits available for £112.50 per month payable by direct debit.
http://www.nhsggc.org.uk/CONTENT/def...e=home_parking
Quote:

NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde has a Car Parking Policy in place at hospital sites where the demand for spaces outweighs availability. The arrangements are designed to balance the needs of staff, patients and visitors and ensure our car parks continue to be fairly and effectively managed.
A 4 hour maximum stay in patient and visitor car parks operates Monday to Friday (7.30am – 4.30pm). This does not affect the vast majority of patients and visitors and arrangements can be made for the small number who require to park for longer than 4 hours.. The maximum stay does not apply to designated staff car parks set aside for permit and non-permit holding staff.

martyh 28-12-2013 10:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658262)
Hospital parking is free.

maybe in wales it is but not anywhere else

eg freeman hospital in Newcastle

0-5 hours £1.20 p/h
6-24hrs £ 7.20 per period

and all surrounding streets are either permit only parking or metered

idiosyncratic 28-12-2013 10:45

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658262)
Hospital parking is free.

Is that only in Wales, though? Here at our local hospital in England they charge for parking

http://www.nlg.nhs.uk/IfP/carpark.asp

denphone 28-12-2013 10:45

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658262)
Hospital parking is free.

Not at our main hospital it ain't unless you have a disabled blue badge and even then the problem is then trying to get a disabled parking bay.

martyh 28-12-2013 10:50

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35658269)
Not at our main hospital it ain't unless you have a disabled blue badge and even then the problem is then trying to get a disabled parking bay.

Same at our hospitals ,which is quite surprising since i would expect the number of disabled drivers visiting a hospital to be quite high

Russ 28-12-2013 11:11

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Yes hospital parking is free in Wales, I just assumed they'd rolled that out everywhere else too by now.

martyh 28-12-2013 11:14

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658275)
Yes hospital parking is free in Wales, I just assumed they'd rolled that out everywhere else too by now.

Nope and i don't think there are any plans to either

dilli-theclaw 28-12-2013 12:20

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35658269)
Not at our main hospital it ain't unless you have a disabled blue badge and even then the problem is then trying to get a disabled parking bay.

Most disabled parking at addenbrooks isn't free either.

Taf 28-12-2013 12:21

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658275)
Yes hospital parking is free in Wales, I just assumed they'd rolled that out everywhere else too by now.

Nope, it's still chargeable in several hospitals (e.g. The U.H.W. in Cardiff, the largest in Wales) until all costs incurred in building, maintaining and staffing certain carparks are recouped. And they have even extended the parking fees to other carparks close to the hospital (after putting down yellow lines all over the area of course).

jamiefrost 28-12-2013 12:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658246)
Spoken like a true non-driver :)

We don't object to parking tickets/fines, just the underhanded tactics used by the authorities. If it was a level playing field then that would be one thing but councils often make parking expensive and/or too far from where you actually want to get to. All in a warped and over-enthusiastic effort to force us on to sub-standard public transport.

I moaned about this on Facebook earlier: I haven't taken a bus in many years but seeing as the weather was bad and I didn't feel like driving I looked in to getting a bus in to Swansea yesterday. The bus stop is about 150 yards from my house so I checked the times etc and was about to decide on it when I saw the price - £4.50 for a single therefore £9 round-trip. Petrol costs would be about £2.50.

In parts of Swansea I can park for free for 3 hours.

As such I have zero incentive to use the council's public transport.

I do around 25,000 miles a year, I don't have a problem with fines etc :).

As for parking charges it's mixed some are just too expensive and public transport just seems to be completely unrealistic.

J

Arthurgray50@blu 28-12-2013 14:53

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LSainbury. I have quite often parked in Hanover Swuare, Central London and its 50p per three minutes.

Its the most expensive part of Central London

solitaire 28-12-2013 15:17

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35658185)
You only get 2 hours not 4 hours for 50p, I park there most days

Sorry my mistake, I meant to say 70p.:erm:

Taf 28-12-2013 15:25

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Pull up to drop off or collect passengers in front of Cardiff Wales Airport, and you pay £1 to get out, often for less than a minute.

martyh 28-12-2013 15:37

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35658326)
LSainbury. I have quite often parked in Hanover Swuare, Central London and its 50p per three minutes.

Its the most expensive part of Central London

Hanover Square
http://en.parkopedia.co.uk/parking/a...square-london/
Zone E1

Street Parking Restrictions/Pay & Display Hours:

Monday-Saturday
8:30 am to 1:29 pm - £4.40 per hour
1:30 pm to 6:30 pm - £3.30 per hour

so Arthur isn't far out

Hom3r 28-12-2013 15:37

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35658334)
Pull up to drop off or collect passengers in front of Cardiff Wales Airport, and you pay £1 to get out, often for less than a minute.

Same at Stansted:mad: after 5 mins it goes up to £3.

When I pick family up I park around the corner where I used to work and wait for a call.

Hugh 28-12-2013 15:48

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35658342)
Hanover Square
http://en.parkopedia.co.uk/parking/a...square-london/
Zone E1

Street Parking Restrictions/Pay & Display Hours:

Monday-Saturday
8:30 am to 1:29 pm - £4.40 per hour
1:30 pm to 6:30 pm - £3.30 per hour

so Arthur isn't far out

Not quite - 50p for 3 minutes x 20 (for an hour) = £10; that's over double the £4.40.

martyh 28-12-2013 15:54

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35658347)
Not quite - 50p for 3 minutes x 20 (for an hour) = £10; that's over double the £4.40.

I was being sarcy ;)

TheDaddy 28-12-2013 16:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35658347)
Not quite - 50p for 3 minutes x 20 (for an hour) = £10; that's over double the £4.40.

£10 per hour to park and people are actually saying we aren't being screwed over!

denphone 28-12-2013 16:28

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When we went to see our sister a while back in London there was no way we could take the car as it was too expensive to park every day so that's why we went by train as it proved much cheaper.

Taf 28-12-2013 18:09

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It may just be local to me, but every time the parking fees go up "to convince people to use buses and trains", the fares for buses and trains go up making it cheaper to use the car again!

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35658275)
Yes hospital parking is free in Wales, I just assumed they'd rolled that out everywhere else too by now.

University Dental Hospital - Car Park 10 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Dental Hospital - Car Park 1 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital of Wales - Car Park 8 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Dental Hospital - Car Park 5 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Dental Hospital - Car Park 11 £10.00 / 24 hours
Children's Hospital for Wales £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital of Wales - Car Park 9 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital of Wales £10.00 / 24 hours

and free until recently:

University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 4 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 5 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 6 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 3 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 2 £10.00 / 24 hours
University Hospital Llandough - Car Park 1£10.00 / 24 hours

Russ 28-12-2013 18:35

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Those must be 2 of the 5 or 6 that aren't free then.

adzii_nufc 28-12-2013 20:36

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Some parking in the North East is a penny per minute. IIRC there's a few in South Shields.

TheDaddy 28-12-2013 21:09

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35658416)
Some parking in the North East is a penny per minute. IIRC there's a few in South Shields.

No one in their right mind would park in south Shields, keep going right through would be my advice

Hugh 28-12-2013 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35658367)
£10 per hour to park and people are actually saying we aren't being screwed over!

Erm, it's not £10.....

TheDaddy 28-12-2013 21:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35658423)
Erm, it's not £10.....

:doh: :dunce:

It is if you park at my house Hugh, for anyone else it's £15

Hugh 28-12-2013 21:18

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Much appreciated....

scrotnig 28-12-2013 22:09

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I will always take the car everywhere, no matter what the expense (unless alcohol is involved).
I hate public transport, it's not reliable enough. It's as simple as that.

Pierre 28-12-2013 22:18

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Just shows there's sod all going on when this thread is the most posted in.

Hey, costs a pound to park in a car park near me...................yep that's about it.

Anybody else pay to park? ............... You do? ................wow.


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