Yet again - farcical words from Cameron
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1184033/jobless-fall-raises-chance-of-interest-rate-rise

David Cameron has said in the commons that unemployment has gone down again - during his tenure.

Little does he know that the vast majority of this is down to a certain time of year called Christmas, where all major stores take on extra staff for the festive season and then lay them off in the New Year.

Yes, l might be having another go at Cameron and Co. But what Cameron and and co need to do is invest in this country, and at the moment due to the vast amounts of taxes we pay in this country. Many companies go abroad, to save money.

I was talking to a manager of a job agency yesterday, and he was saying that when he opens his agency at 6am every morning, he has approx 40 people looking for work, but he only gets part time offers coming in and approx 10 of those people will be lucky.

He has said that employment in the area is poor, and that some people have got no chance unless they travel miles.

Its no good Cameron saying that employment has gone up - most is part time, and not full time.

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Funny, Ed Miliband didn't complain that the fall in unemployment is just a seasonal anomaly when the subject came up in Prime Minister's Questions. You would have thought the leader of the Opposition would have been better informed.

Perhaps you should contact his office and offer to share your contacts with him. Clearly he needs your expertise.

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I think that unless Miliband kicks some butt quite quickly, we are going to have the idiot DC back in power in 2015, then we won't have no police, army or NHS as it will be in private hands and more Tory Mps on the fiddle and claiming more pay rises.

And living on food banks and the country overrun by immigrants, and the UK tilting to one side, and all Cameron will say is 'We are all in this together'

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Well Balls is living up to his name...

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Unemployment statistics are backdated. Christmas won't have figured into the report. There might be something in the idea that people are increasingly on zero-hour contracts and part-time work which provides lower salaries but less unemployment but you would need someone to examine the numbers more closely.

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You do know that every single one of the MPs jailed for expenses fraud was from the Labour party, don't you?

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But there were some people from a higher Planet namely meesrs Lords Hanningfield (Conservative) and Lord John Taylor (conservative).That were jailed for expenses fiddles (both were jailed}.

In my view quite a few conservatives including my parents MP Eleanor Laing should have been prosecuted but were spared.

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And the duck house MP just quietly resigned..

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Everybody knows that those who are forced to work on the slave labour schemes are discounted on the unemployment figures when they come knocking.

don't you?

Yet again - farcical words from Arthur!
 

Today sees another attempt by cable forum member Arthur to ridicule the Tories and a fall in unemployment!
Report's on sky news factually stated the lowest figures for 4 years yet soap box Arthur as he is fondly known in his front room says its "lies, all lies" as his figures and contacts prove otherwise.
In an attempt to interview the world's leading anti Tory, Arthur told sky news "its fabricated firgures, leaked to make the government look better than they really are, we all know they are devils in disguise"
Arthur's wife refused to comment, she just held her head in her hands and slowly shook it from side to side.
Link to follow shortly!

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Well, come the revolution you have been saying is imminent for the last three years, they will all be rising up against the Government.

Re: Yet again - farcical words from Arthur!
 

Dam well said :clap:

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:rofl:

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Mere details. Arthur doesn't concern himself with facts.

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You do know that those statistics are back dated by a number of months and not indicative of the current time of year! August to October in the link I fixed for you.

What nonsense Arthur. A job is a job. If a person with no job at all gets even a part time 12 hr a week job, that still is a job to that person and takes them out of the unemployment pile.

Facts and common sense - two things lacking in Arthurs posts.

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Having whined on about the Tories looking after their business chums, Arthur now seems to be moaning that companies go abroad because it's too expensive to operate in the UK because of taxes. Odd that he supports the party which traditionally imposes more taxes, bureaucracy and regulation on businesses all of which increase their costs and affect employment... :spin:

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Ahem


People on "slave labour schemes" still claim JSA ,and one of those "slave labour schemes" just got my oldest son a full time job in an export company

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Excellent news mate! Best of luck to him. Just goes to show there's often work out there for those who really want it and are prepared to graft to get what they want. Trouble is some folk prefer whining about their lives, blaming others for their failures and living off everyone else...

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I've said before how it works.
when somebody is in the hands of A4e and the likes. they are effectively classed as in employment. yes they're still on JSA, but it is A4e and the likes that are paying them now. the JSA claim is kept live in the background. but doesn't count when as I said they come knocking for figures.

Infact, to back this up. it's very common that when someone is placed on one of these courses, and if they are also claiming housing benefit at the time. their claim for housing benefit will/may cease. simply because they are no longer claiming the qualifying JSA or any other qualifying benefit. and have to reclaim the HB. whilst in the meantime receiving a bill for full rent until that claim where they state that they are on a government slave labour scheme.

infact. think of how many hundreds of thousands that are now on these schemes that the government said they were doing. it's only logical that these figures tie into the stated claims of unemployment figures.


well done to your son. why didn't you tell us before now that he got a job? you'll have people thinking you're making it up :)

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Why would i do that ?? :confused:

It doesn't matter who pays the JSA it is still a JSA claim and as i have shown those figures are falling and as of 6th Jan my son is no longer a JSA claimant

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But it's not counted when totting up the score.

He wasn't a JSA claimant whilst he was on the scheme either.

I'm not arguing. I'm just telling :)

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Oh here we go again, have a go at Arthur for ranting on about the Tories. Since when have the Tories looked after the working man / woman on the street.

They bring out systems that hit the worker and the unemployed, what about the person who has been made redundant due to the cuts made by the government, is it there fault they are on benefit.

Food Banks have increased more under a Tory government than ever before. They are crippling this country, with the cutbacks.

I have been unemployed three times during my life, the longest period was two years, and its not funny trying to live on benefit.

The government can invent figures to please himself, and make them look good. You try telling the unemployed who are desperate for work and turn up for an interview and find there are 200/300 wanting the same job.

Yes, people might have a dig at me for being anti tory, but they are earning big money off the taxpayer and are on a right fiddle and get away with it.

In January when all the workers are getting laid off as they are not wanted by companies and shops after the xmas rush, what is the government going to do with them - put them in training schemes that dont work or on schemes where they will work for nothing to claim their benefit.

I was put on a training scheme for two weeks, and given a mobile phone at the end of it and told to walk for jobs. These schemes are a total wasite of time.

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Nowt to do with you being anti tory ,it's just that usually the factual element of your posts is non existent and more resembles a drunken rant in a pub

Couldn't we say "oh here we go again, same non factual rants without substantive evidence from Arthur" (ssh, we do)
Thing is Arthur just because you see the world in a different light, didn't mean to say you are right. You are in a very small minority on this board that slates the current gov, although you are by far the most vocal in that small number.
It seems to me that you expect the gov and the tax payers to give even more money to individuals who are out of work and for the gov to magic jobs out of thin air!
I would like for you to explain how you would make the changes you would like to see, then tell us where the money will come from (without borrowing) and then formulate a plan to get out of work people into work where there are no jobs!
Have you ever in your life actually day down and worked out how your insane rants are supposed to be justified.

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The facts, rather than your interpretation of them.

This actually made the figures rise when it was introduced.

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...mant-count.pdf

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When l was unemployed - my JSA was £72.00 per week and that was for a family, child benefit had stopped.

My rent was £48.00and we had to find council from that also. we were told we couldn't claim for anything else.

How can you live on £20 per week. you cannot, we had a key meter for electric and gas.

Everything went. We asked for a grant to cover travelling expenses for jobs, we were told to walk.

I have a disabled son who gets benefit each month, and part of our benefit was cut due to this benefit. So basically we had approx £30.00 per week left to survive on.

You cannot survive on that. Remember the UK is not a third world country, and the voters of this country should not have to go through this.

With all the aid that is given out by this country to others, this should be given to the voters of this country.

When Cameron stands up in the commons and says that this country is thriving under their rule, he should take a look at the people that are queuing up at Food Banks seeking food for their families - and see what his policies are doing to this country.

And a figure recently said that Osborne borrows more money that Labour ever did.

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You did .

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If child benefit had stopped, that will be because they were no longer children.:rolleyes: If they still lived with you they would have their own income from wages and/or benefits. A contribution to rent and household expenses would be expected to come from that.

Wouldn't Housing Benefit have been paid?

The borrowing figures story came from Labour and was typically nonsense and misleading. Labour borrowed more in their last 3 years, than this government has in it's first 3. The budgets for 2010/11 for governments departments, councils etc would have been set by April 2010, ie under Labour. Borrowing in relation to those budgets would be down to Labour.

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Housing benefit was paid, thats why the money was less, this was five years ago that l was unemployed.

I was on a training scheme when l got the job l am with now. And l nearly lost it as l was told to sign on at the same time as the interview.

The JC's do not give you any help whatsoever. They would not give me a grant to cover the first months money, l was told talk walk from my house in Isleworth to North London. And if they were to give me a grant, l had to take FIVE buses, to get there.

When you are unemployed, you don't get any help financially, as far as they are concerned you have got a job, and thats it.

The training scheme that they ordered me to take, was sitting in a room from 9.30 to 3.00 and listening to a salesman going on about go to a building site, find out who the company is that will be there, then cold the company.

There has to be a better incentive to find employment, at this time of year when people are looking for work, they have no chance.

Most companies close down for approx two weeks. Except for supermarkets that have already taken on the staff they need.

The government dont seem to have the idea of what to do to help them. I have told loads of my mates what to do - but at the end of the day, some don't have computers or mobiles to chase these jobs up.

When you go for the adverts - most of them are agencies. And they make money out of you.

Yes, it was nerarly five years since i was out of work, but that heartache that l went through, l can see what is happening today with the unemployed.

And the government is not doing enough.

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Speaking of food banks

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...tories-2943770

I wonder if that's really what happened and how long it'll take for some "facts" to be produced about food banks being introduced under tony's mob and it's the wrecked economies fault blah blah.

The bit about the reduced food it true to, the woman that served me yesterday said there'd been a scuffle that day.

Lol sorry Arthur, you just stated that your woes were when you was out of work and that it was 5 years ago. Now forgive me for being a bit thick but who was it that was in power in..... er.... 2008?
Nuff said!

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Yeah but it's still the Tory's fault because they were last in power in 1997! :rolleyes:

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;)



Call me cynical but once word gets out that free stuff is available then more people will try to use it instead of cancelling a big sky subscription they can't really afford

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Arthur's facts are none existent, he always has had some form of interaction with what ever Tory rant he has posted as his daily trolling. I will never believe a word he posts because i dont feel he posts anything about himself that is indeed true. Why have i decided this because if he is to be believed he has done it, been involved in it, knows someone who has done it or he has read the book, eaten the pie and seen the film all at the same time.

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Arthur I'm not saying I support the Tories. Quite the opposite for me.

However I don't feel the need to keep making threads bashing them and somehow total misinterpreting the facts and then not actually posting an actual link to the 'story'.

Its best sometimes just to say nothing at all.

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That's what someone in the nasty party said before he laughed at them fighting over food!

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nevertheless i reckon it happens

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I am nearlky 62 years old, when l was being brought up, like anyone of my age. Life was precious and we lived a moderate.

But in todays world we have poverty in our own country, brought on by severe cutbacks of the present government. The Tories are laughing and joking at the fact, the Britsih people are having to queue up at Food Banks and also stores for reduced product to halp with the finances.

I was in our local ASDA last night and the queue at the discount counter was anormous.

BUT, we should not have to put up with this. This country gives our billions of pounds per year in aid to other countries. What about the UK. We should not have to suffer poverty in the UK.

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Sorry Arthur but poverty in the UK has always been there, its just now that its highlighted more often in the press and media. It has nothing to do with the Tories or giving aid to overseas countries and not spending on our own population.

Honestly it 100% is NOTHING to do with the current government. Its ALWAYS been there.

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Most of the world's population knows much better than Arthur what real poverty is and would happily swap places with him. He feels hard done by if his Sky subs go up a few quid...

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Trussell Trust.
You did ask.

Not sure that a "need" was the reason for any scuffle.
Crush chaos at Ikea store opening

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Arthur, your 15 years older than me, I was brought up on frugality, I wore second, nay third hand clothes until I was 13 or so. You are not the only one who has had a hard life and like many of us who frequent this board we have all had to make sacrifices. The vast majority of us fully understand what's going on in the real world, we have accepted the mistakes of past governments, we live with those consequences and lead our lives accordingly. But you seem help bent on trolling this site with venomous non factual opinions that serve no purpose but your own warped ideological mind.

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Just Like to add to the food bank saga..... the homeless figure and people sleeping rough has also increased....

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Erm, poverty is not a new thing. Poverty has always existed in this country, and I suspect always will to some extent.

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No Stu, you don't understand. In Labour's Utopia there were no poor people and there was endless government money from the magic money tree.

Our current mess is all down to evil Tories who chopped down the money tree for firewood to heat their mansions. And now they are sitting round their roaring fires, pointing and laughing at all the peasants.

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And that would be nothing to do with the hordes of people coming from Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

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Actually I didn't ask, I wondered how long it would take for someone to attempt to tell me something I already knew

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I honestly don't understand how he gets away with posting his blatant factless rubbish daily, if me or you were to troll the forums like that with rubbish threads and posts we would be dealt with straight away.

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That's just it though ,being roughly the same age as you i remember as you do but we saw wearing hand me downs etc. as normal ,i certainly don't think i had a hard life

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The thing with facts is they can be twisted to suit almost any political agenda, I'd go as far as saying going on your personal experience is more reliable than going on some of facts posted here.

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Yea at the time it was normal, most of my mates and I were all the same and looking back I can see the hardships that we had to endure. Perspective and time changes those memories.

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I find his posts amusing and also a little alarming that people with such single minded hatred for a politician can be let loose with a vote .
Arthur and others like him need to realise that Cameron has had to make some hard decisions and most have not been popular but they have been necessary.
Arthur grew up in the era when being on the dole was seen as shameful and lazy ,people used to do anything to get off the dole ,take any job ,hell i used to walk 3-4 miles to get to work but Arthur seems hell bent on slating a Government that wants to bring the old work ethics back, that i find confusing coming from someone of Arthurs generation.

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When was that then? :shrug: :D

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Facts are facts - people may extrapolate from those facts, but facts are something about which proof exists.

Not liking facts doesn't make them invalid - if one jumps from a 10 story building, 999 times out of a 1000 (if not a higher percentage) the jumper will die or be severely injured; just because we don't agree with that fact won't change it....

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What about misrepresented facts, you know the kind our politicians are famous for and as with all facts the devils in the detail which isn't always available to us plebs

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Look Arthur has a right to post on here and l don't agree with a lot he has to say but this is a free democracy and its up to people to dispute it if they don't like the cut of his jib or vice versa.

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Arthur is entitled to start threads on any subject he chooses, subject to the Forum's Terms and Conditions. The same as you, me or any other member. We do ask that if you are referring to an article, you provide a link if possible.

Whether we consider the thread "Rubbish" or not is immaterial. Looking at the Basement, I can see at least half a dozen threads I consider rubbish, but I can't delete them as posting rubbish threads is not against the forum rules. Even if it was, what I would call rubbish may well be different to what you would call rubbish.

Anyway, can we all get back to the topic please, and not discuss the posting styles of other members anymore?

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I don't think it warrants a thread on its own, but Tories are well out for me as long as IDS is part of their party. As this is the main thing that affects me, the lies from this slimeball is just bang out of order. He makes Camoron look good and that's something.

Oh his latest stunt is turning up for a welfare review with armed guards / police with machine guns (pointed at the disabled and not down to the ground I must say).

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No he didn't :rolleyes:

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Okay you know different. Fair enough.

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Post the pics and show us all.

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Are you talking about this?

http://dpac.uk.net/2013/12/machine-g...sabled-people/

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You've jumped on a story relating to IDS being present at a select committee meeting questioning Mike Penning on PIP progress ,and as with all spectators in the public galleries including people in wheelchairs they will be seached and there will be armed police present ,a rather pathetic band of people have twisted things to make it look as though IDS has appeared surrounded by armed guards pointing weapons at the people in wheelchairs

a rather biased link to the story

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/new...bled-claimants

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Are disabled people any more intimidated by police with guns than anyone else then? I'd be astonished if any police officer deliberately pointed any gun at anyone in such circumstances. Anyway so many folks seem to be claiming this happened I'm sure we'll get pictorial or (if cameras weren't allowed) other credible evidence soon to show the circumstances under which guns were pointed at disabled people. This story has a strong whiff of exaggeration about it - just another of the contrived scare/shock/horror stories about the so called nasty party I reckon...

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I don't know about that - I suspect I'd be scared crapless in or out of my wheel chair.

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Exactly. This is clearly an attempt to demonise the govt. by people who ought to know better. I'm certain that the vast majority of disabled people, although they may well feel very hard done by, don't really believe IDS had armed police deliberately aim weapons at them. It's pathetic nonsense. The sort of guff that was concocted about that supposed 'wheelchair bound' protester who was 'attacked' by the police during the student protests.

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It's just a pity that you weren't there.
but as you weren't. we can just listen to your opinion of whether the guns were being pointed at anyone.

Luckily for Iain that he didn't order them all to be shot.

:)

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If you are going to resort to hysteria at least try and get something right.

There is no chance the Police were armed with machine guns. They would have been armed with exactly the same weapons Police have been armed with at Westminster for the last 10 years or so.

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What? You mean there isn't an elite unit formed by the nasty party and tasked with intimidating helpless disabled people by aiming machine guns at them?? :shocked: :shocked: :rolleyes:

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Well I suppose it did happen, taken in or out of context is just a matter of opinion. Just as Arthur reads whatever he does or hears doesn't make it untrue, just as some say it is just a biased or personal opinion. But sometimes being against doesn't make it false either.

What exactly are you supposed to believe these days?

I certainly don't believe a lot of people on this forum as they can't and won't see the wood for the trees when it comes to their beloved party.

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I think it is VERY prudent not to trust ANY political party.

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The problem with a lot of the anti-cuts stories is they try to sensationalize some things which has the effect, for me anyway, of reducing their trustworthiness. If they are going to scream about armed guards with machine guns threatening disabled protestors there better be some hard evidence of it or else I'm going to assume they are just embellishing the truth to get a cheap shock headline.

Very true.

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Insert the word 'blindly' in there before the word 'trust' and I'd agree.

It seems quite a few of us in here still haven't decided who we're going to vote for even though we're quite certain who we WON'T be...

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There has to be an element of credibility though and frankly stories like the police pointing guns at people in wheelchairs to keep them under control defies all credibility and doesn't help disabled people get their point across at all

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:tu:

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Now that I can agree with. I based it on multiple sources but when it comes to credibility regarding IDS then nothing surprises me.

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Summed up perfectly.:clap::clap::clap:

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Indeed at the end of the day its basically one choice out of a very bad bunch.