Police helicopter crashes into Glasgow pub roof
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1175697/po...asgow-pub-roof

Terrible news :(

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First I knew about it was a call off my brother to check I wasn't there.

I've heard that Police chopper over head many times. So glad there was only injuries and no deaths by the sound of it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-25163045

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Indeed my thoughts are with all involved.

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Not good, not good at all :(

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Watching it on the news now, I hope everyone involved is OK.

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3rd time now the Strathclyde/Police Scotland chopper has crashed.

Sadly this looks like the worst incident by far. I'm gutted, I know some of the air observers and can't help but think the worst while waiting for news.

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Lets hope and pray.

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I so hope you get good news.

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Sadly I don't think I will. :(

This is from another forum so can't be confirmed but it's tying in with what I'm hearing from elsewhere.



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:cry:

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Terrible news. :(

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Great pub. It would have been mobbed on a Friday night. Only the width of a road and a cycle path from ditching in the Clyde. Poor people :(

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Our thoughts are with those involved, and their families.

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I can't believe that people where trying to stop the emergency services getting to the scene :mad:

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M thoughts are with those who have lost there lives and with their families and friends

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We have unfortunately a few *******s like that in this country

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Police confirm one has died and and that number will rise.:(

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Eye witness reports on the news state that the copter just dropped like a stone, but what some witnesses say was strange was the lack of explosion when it hit the pub, if indeed the fuel tanks were empty, due to a leak of some kind. It would certainly tie in to what the witnesses are saying and what could have happened.

Nevertheless, it is a tragic scene and multiple familes have lost loved ones. :erm:

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Autorotation? I was wondering about that. It looks like this all came upon the crew very suddenly.

Thinking and praying for everyone involved. :(

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It's a tragedy which could have been far worse it seems. It'd be sadly ironic if a lack of fuel caused/contributed to the crash but at the same time saved a great many lives.

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Nowhere near a priority in this but is there a particular reason why they're referred to as 'Souls' and not 'people'? Not saying they shouldn't or anything, just curious.

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Dunno. Every time there is an incident involving aircraft the people on board are referred to as such. Not sure if it's a police thing or aviation in general.

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Fair enough :)

From watching Sky News this morning it appears the local community spirit was incredible, so many people trying to get in to the place to help people out. Duncan Bannatyne said on Twitter this morning that Glasgow is unique in that way and reminded everyone about what happened with that idiot trying to bomb the airport.

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We were on the way home last night and the ambulance and police were coming from all directions, we knew something awful was happening, but it was when we got home we heard what it was. It is dreadful, as far as I hear the people were helping others out the pub before the emergency service came. They are praised for what they did, not a hindrance at all.

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Spent 5 years as a relief air observer with Strathclyde police, they are a tight, dedicated hard working team with terrific support from bond and their pilots, my thoughts are with all involved and affected by this.

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RIP

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They need to an annual line check with the training pilot to ensure they are up to standard and during this flight they need to do an unpowered autorotation descent as part of the test. Is very scary to be in the helicopter when they do this even when you know they have planned to do this and the engines are idling and can be run up to full power if needed when doing this landing, is basically a controlled crash

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A nightmare scenario come true.

RIP.

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Death toll now 8.

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Terrible news as we feared.:(

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Us weegies always pull together Russ.

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What happens if the engines are mullered? it's going to drop like a stone to the ground.

No amount of training can recreate a helicopter crash.

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You're missing the point ... Autorotation allows you to land a helicopter when the engines are mullered. As long as the rotors can free-wheel, the force of air passing over them as the helicopter falls is sufficient to turn them and slow the descent.

You have major problems when a system failure occurs that prevents the rotors from turning freely or if the helicopter is too low for the airflow to spin them up fast enough to be useful.

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And if they can't free wheel or were they to close to the ground for Autorotation to be effective?

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Then, as Chris said in the last line of the post you quoted

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Meaning the helicopter would drop like a stone.

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From hearing people's accounts the choppers engine was still running but spluttering and the blades weren't spinning at all. Then it just stopped and was silent.

That is usually consistant with a gearbox failure or malfunction. My dad worked for BALPA and in avaition for years and that was his response as soon as I told him what had happened. He wasn't aware as is abroad just now.

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I was listening to an interview with Gordon Smart, editor of the Scottish Sun, yesterday on BBC Scotland. He witnessed the event from high in a multistory car park. He said the helicopter was tumbling rather than a straight down plummet.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...#axzz2mEcldZMm

"Gordon Smart, editor of the Scottish Sun, who was in a nearby parking structure, said he saw the helicopter "tumbling nose over tail at a huge pace" before it vanished behind the buildings in front of him."

He made it clear on the radio yesterday the sky was crystal clear and he had a full view of the incident. From his elevated vantage point he may have had the best view of the accident.

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Due to lack of altitude, not due to lack of engine power, as you stated earlier.

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A ninth body has been confirmed :-(

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I've just seen some relatives on the BBC who're extremely upset about the lack of information they're being given by the emergency services and how long it's taking to complete the process and retrieve any bodies. They seem to feel a undue fixation with health and safety has hampered the rescue effort and may well have cost lives and are very critical of the response they've had so far to their requests for information.

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Yeah ,just seen the same interviews ,i can understand the relatives wanting to get more information but i can't imagine that there is much the emergency services can do until the helicopter is removed which is always going to be a slow process because lifting the helicopter out could further weaken the building causing it to collapse even more

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Key phrase in that interview "I'm not an expert"

I can understand he's upset but when the experts are dealing with things putting grieving relatives on the air is a poor show from the BBC. His suggestion to start pulling down the rest of the building just wasn't feasible.

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Exactly my thoughts ,Sky news are doing it as well with the same couple

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The relatives asked to go on air because they feel the emergency services aren't doing enough and I can understand how they feel. I'd have thought they'd have some sort of liaison officer with them trying to keep them informed and protect them from the media. Rightly or wrongly they feel let down so I hope there'll be extra effort made to reassure and counsel them during what must be an awful ordeal.

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Indeed whoever made the decision to put the grieving relatives on air has made a extremely crass judgement in my opinion.

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My heart really does go out to the relatives. It must be torture knowing their loves ones are still inside. I can understand their grief however the emergency services should receive nothing but praise for the way they have handled this event. They don't deserve to be put under pressure, of have their efforts tainted thanks to the BBC and SKY putting emotionally charged relatives live on air.

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What could have caused it to lose power and crash so catastrophically if the fuel, engine and gearbox were all apparently sound?

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...-west-25306936

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As you know some idiots like to shine laser pens at helicopter pilots, surely something like that wouldn't cause the pilot to be incapacitated?

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The rotors were not turning at the moment of impact and prior to that, the vehicle was seen to lose altitude rapidly. It would be difficult to see how distraction from a laser pen could cause the pilot to shut his rotors down.

There is audio and video evidence anyway, so we will doubtless find out soon enough.

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My money is on gearbox failure. My dad is also certain this is what caused it. He worked for BALPA for many years and after that Scotia Helicopters before he retired, so has a lot of aviation knowledge.

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I think that was what they were betting on but the preliminary report seems to ruled out a gearbox failure severe enough to cause the chopper to lose all rotation.

Time will tell I suppose.

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I spoke to him again today and he is sure that it will be the gear box. There is nothing else that would cause the blades to just stop spinning completly.

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Glasgow helicopter crash: Clutha death toll rises to 10.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-25352971

:(

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What a Christmas for all these families. Thinking of them all

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I was shocked when I saw this news. The step son is a very good friend I have known for a long time. Totally stunned right now.

Haven't seen him in a little while and never noticed his FB status updates over the last couple of weeks as don't really venture there much. Very gutted about it.

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Some people showing the real spirit of Glasgow... :mad:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...-west-25427114

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I just could not believe this when I read it? They should be horsewhipped and locked up for life.

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A small minority thankfully.

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Double engine failure due to fuel supply problem

http://bbc.in/1eVIYfZ

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Terrible disaster makes me scared when I see a Helicopter

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tragedy :(

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As there was no mayday call. I think that it happened out of the blue and they didn't have a chance to try to carry out that procedure as it 'dropped like a stone'.

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I have seen police helicopter's flying low many times I could not tell you the height but I have witnessed it often especially along the M74 as I can view this easily from a bedroom window at the back of my house ... I honestly do believe this happened so fast hence no mayday call ... God love everyone affected by this tragedy ...
Just came on STV news that both engines failed being starved of fuel despite the air craft carrying enough fuel for another 20 minutes of flying ....

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Our local police helo is often below 1000ft when over our town I'd guess between 4&600ft is the norm so I'm guessing the same rules don't apply to the police as civil pilots. Whatever caused it will not offer any comfort though but thieves breaking in is the height of **** but let's be honest we all see small minority's of youths wherever we live that would do the same national thing not just Glasgow Derek ;).

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The final reports been released.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-34606835