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when I think about it _ i have been hearing about "trouble in the middle east" ever since i can remember - afghanistan and all those 'problem' countries

one solution could be to tool up some B52s and bomb the area back into
the stoneage - much like some of God's tactics were supposed to do methinks

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With all due respect what you see in that country is the result of being bombed back to the stoneage by the Russians and the US.

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it's not just there - it's all that region - all life there seems to involve is firing weapons into the air and making victory signs with your hand


why are we bothering with these people - they contribute nothing - their culture is repugnant and their treatment of women is against European values




get real - drop it on 'em

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:confused: When was this mythical time when it wasn't in the Stone Age?

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1950's & '60's

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...stan?page=full

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Timeline
The Russian involvement helped any reforms. It was those that opposed Russian involvement that wanted the "Stone Age". It was the Russians and then the US that didn't want the "Stone Age" environment.

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That's not what you asked, you asked when wasn't it in the stone age, the answer is within many of the members here's lifetime and imo the vast majority of Afghan's don't want the stone age either, their the pawns in the great game played first between ourselves and Russia, then the USA and USSR and finally the USA and Taliban, still sod them, let's start bombing.

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Yes, let's kill lots of innocent people who have no involvement in any conflict whatsoever.

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Its a bit strange that the Western powers involved in bombing Afghanistan back to the stone age did so even when there was no oil to steal at the end. Very strange indeed.

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I'm sure there are people in the middle east who are just like you, except they're saying something along the lines of "why are we bothering with these people - they contribute nothing - their culture is repugnant and their treatment of women is against middle eastern values". I suppose it's a good thing they aren't in the position to bomb us back to the stone age, because if they were and used your reasons to do so then people like you would be the first to be outraged.

It's the people with attitudes like yours (on both sides) that have a lot to answer for re the situation we find ourselves in.

Cheers

Grim

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and yet here you are suggesting Genocide - what makes you any different?

Read the title and thought the op was on about a new (not so) fetish. My mind must be in other places today ;)

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Afghanistan was liberated from the Russians with the help of the West. The fact that after the Russians left the leaders turned the country into a very very strict Islamic country very oppressive and with ties to Osama and terrorism is not in all fairness America fault. You have the rich Islamic countries like Dubai, United Arab Emirates but they are still very oppressive charging a woman with a crime because she was raped and they said it was pre marital sex and you have the poorer Islamic countries like Somalia where women are stoned to death for having affairs.

I think we can all be grateful that Islamic countries are factional and because you have the different tribes as it were they find it hard to unite. Saddam tried it in the first Iraq war when he bombed Isreal all he wanted was for them to retaliate something that they normally would with a vengeance if they had the war could have been a lot different had the likes of Jordan removed their support.

As for bombing the area well if ever there is a united Islam I doubt the world would have a choice

There is no doubt in my mind that radical Islam is the greatest threat the west faces

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Is Afghanistan classed as the Middle East?

Probably not so best to take out the countries in between. Then we can move on to North Africa and anywhere else we don't like. :rolleyes:

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The Yanks wont as there is nothing in it for them

I think its the bordering country along with a few istan countries that is known as middle East before you go into Pakistan India and China

So if you take Turkey as the last European then move South and East Till you get the Pakistan and Chinese borders and north to the Russian border

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I think it's unbelievable arrogance on our part(the west) to assume that our way is best and if other countries don't submit to our way of thinking and change their cultures to suit ours then we must "bomb them into the stone age"

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flying planes into buildings killing women and children at a marathon blowing up buses in London taking over a shopping mall and killing innocents in Kenya stoning women for adultery or even punishing them when they are raped all the acts of a culture that you think we are arrogant for thinking we are better than ??? that is unbelievable

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Of course that's exactly what i said isn't it :rolleyes:

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your implication was clear

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Obviously not for you

just because we don't agree or like a particular part of a culture doesn't mean it is wrong and it most certainly doesn't mean we have the right to go into a sovereign nation and change it to our values

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we are all beasts and nature is survival of the fittest. If you have a culture like Islam that is taught the Jihad and imo there is a very real threat if ever they unite then I would rather survive and them not. I most certainly do not like the violent oppressive side of Islam and I most certainly do think their acts give us the right to attempt to change that.

I see you post in the Lee Rigby thread that in part is the side of Islam I feel we have a right to change yet you .....

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Rubbish .If you want to class yourself as an animal then that's up to you,but the most part the rest of us Humans have risen out of the jungle

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In fairness if countries that we, as the United Kingdom, don't like is the criteria for us nuking things, then we would probably end up as a very lonely little island in the middle of a lot of sea..

Hell, if the criteria was countries the English don't like then you could probably add Scotland to that list of destroyed countries..

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the thing that galls me about it all is that the people from those areas I was on about bombing seem to want to come here and do the same sort of behaviour that causes the mess they are in over there. They are always banging on about 'how peaceful' they are and yet where is this peace?

(awaits some sort of namby pamby arty farty pinko reply)

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I don't know if this is the OP's poor attempt at humour or if this is a trruly held belief. I really hope it's the former because if it isn't then i'm vey glad your a minute minority of thinker's in the west. Yes the middle east is a troubled region but perhaps it's because for the better pat of the last seventy years that region has been a pawn in a game between two ideology's. they have had so much interference from the west, ameicans and eastern europe it's no wonder daft ideologists managed to sound sane and plausible.

Perhaps if both the west and the east left them alone and concentrated on sorting out their own homes the middle east could grow to see things normally and reject the fanatics. Your idea of "bombing them back to the stoneage" is repulsive in the exteme and shows the complete idiocy of western thinking some have it could almost be seen as an attempt to remove the existence of the problem we made.

I'm no liberal pinko but i'm also not ignorant to the actions and damage we in the west have done in the last many decades and realise that if we really want peace we need to stop going to area's of the world where were not welcome and trying to tell them how to do things.

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What he said

:clap::clap:

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ok then - tell me what contributions or innovations (or name me one for instance) an arab or african country has given to the world in the last two centuries

(Oil not included)

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Nelson Mandela

Cheers

Grim

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he was a terrorist though

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Heart transplants

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OK, so what's wrong with this guy - he won the 2012 African Prize for Innovation.

Cheers

Grim

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Dr Christian Barnard etc


Thing is you are talking about South Africa there which is essentially another part of the West

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Ah you want to move your goalposts to fit. Fair enough. I'll let you get back to your proposition of genocide then.

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you haven't mentioned something from the Arab parts yet

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Fair enough but it's hardly Tesla

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i don't need to.

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Ironic coming from someone proposing genocide....

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well it would not be the first time the west have done it. Native Americans for example

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They did it to the aborigines in Tasmania too

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yeah - a clever guy - I think that's where they peaked

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Indeed and this man has saved many many lives in this country and abroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Yacoub

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still does not make up for 911 alone if you ask me

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does not make up for the thousands like those killed on 911? added to the genocide of the Kurds in Iraq? ( over 182 000) or the treatment of women the war in Syria the deaths of our soldiers

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damn right - not to mention the repugnance of their barbaric mutilation of women/baby girls as part of their lovely culture.

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we couldn't afford the fuel

B-52 bomber is a gas hog. It burns 3,334 gallons per hour through eight jet engines that were designed in the 1950s, when the B-52 first entered service.

oh yea and bombing folk is bad ;)

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Good luck with that, the nukes are based here. ;)

Well they are until Emperor Salmond imports some Zimbabwean election monitors for the vote next September.

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but the red buttons based here ;)

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Best not mention the British concentration camps in South Africa, or the tens of millions killed in the two world wars by Western countries, or the millions killed under Stalinism.....

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unlucky Hugh ;)

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Without the wonderful kindness and skill of a very eminent Egyptian gynaecologist I wouldn't have my 2 wonderful sons.

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without a few devout Islamic followers a thousand or more children would still have a father/mother and a few thousand parents would still have their children

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What when we weren't colonising them you mean, I'll tell you a massive thing then Arab world did for us a couple centuries before, shared their medical knowledge and medicine with us and expected nothing in return, unlike the Chinese of the time or even today.

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I am more concerned about what a portion of them want to do to us now instead of what they did a couple of hundred years ago

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What you really mean is that the actions of a few extremists have given you the perfect excuse to practice your bigotry against Islam

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Yeah you have fallen for the western Islamic stance. Look deeper into Islam around the world. It is only the comfortable western Muslims think Islam is peaceful

Afghanistan Iraq Iran Somalia Syria northern Kenya various other African countries now atrocities against women terrorism war all very peaceful eh ;) ( these are the tip of the iceberg btw )

they had him down the road
 

They had that bin laden living down the road from the pakistani equivalent of west point / sandringurst for years. Don't tell me no one knew he was there! Pakistan and saudi arabia are effectively one and the same thing. The only reason they have anything to do with these spivvy chavs is cos they have oil.....no two ways about it

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if they'd bombed it back to the stoneage they wouldn't be shooting kalashnikovs and driving round in posh 4*4s


they didn't have those things then

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The level of stupidity and ignorance from a couple in this thread is unbelievable in this day and age and they are trying to claim some western superiority seriously and it's spelt Sandhurst your really in a position to question the middle east aren't you :rolleyes:.

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I was never that much good at spelling and details - seems like those peace lovers who hijacked those people on those four planes in the US didn't care that much about detail either


Yes - I am saying the west is superior as it has made an attempt at the notion of democracy (**** poor tho that attempt may be at times)

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The stupid are the ones ignorant of the threat of Islam upon our way of life

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that useless bribe taking crud Blair is to blame for a lot of it

the richness of multiculturalism?


when do you ever get to speak to a woman in a Burkha - she gets stoned if she does - and I don't mean from the plant I grew last year


when we ask for a taxi in these parts we ask for an 'english speaking driver of a saloon'

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You two really don't get it do you the reason the middle east is a mess is because of people like you that truly believed they were superior and knew better and blindly went around forcing that where it wasn't wanted. Try reading some factual books about the region and maybe you'll start to understand how the west created the problem we have today in the middle east. Whilst your at it you may want to differentiate between the minority extremists and the majority of Arabs who are peaceful and very polite, genial hosts which neither of you would know as you haven't been to an area you want to commit genocide in.

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ok - so hear this - on a mosque - or cultural centre near me or whatever it is
reside the words "none - but allah is the ......"


now I find this offensive to my diluted christian views


I consider myself fairly easygoing - I don't go about razoring the labias off baby females - I don't go about strapping explosives to myself and detonating in a public area


what retarded factual books do you suggest I study?

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Sorry but I do not care about what happened in the past to which I have no control. What I am worried about are the acts of terrorism happening all around the world in the hear and now by the hand of Islamic extremists. Who's JIhad wants to see every none Muslim wiped from the face of the world. Why would I need to visit Islamic countries to see this happening? Minority extremists lol another one who can not see the wood for the trees

The liberals can all feel very smug when they either die or pray to the East

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You could start with the Sykes- picot agreement.

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I'm out there is nothing to debate here we have two people so worried they will be killed by a very small minority of Muslims they want to wipe them out what more needs to be said it's a joke.

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tell that to Lee Rigbys parents or the families of those killed in London

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You have to blame the western powers for making and supplying so many weapons in the first place.

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Are they calling for all Muslim countries to be destroyed because if they aren't it's a very low thing to do, using the death of their son to support your agenda.

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Very pleased we found something to agree on. :)

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they seem to kill a lot of each other


it is...you see...all about peace

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If you read what I hove posted you will see I have not said anything about bombing them I have just highlighted the threat that is all

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unlucky again we had already agreed in the what its like to be a parent thread ;)

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Do you mean like the Europeans did (twice) in the 20th Century, or the 10,000 killings a year by guns in the USA (a large part of the 16,000 homicides per year in the USA), or the fact the highest homicide rates for the last 15 years have been in South America, or the fact that over 90,000 have been killed in the Mexican Drug wars since 2005, or don't they count because they don't support your prejudices....

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No what you said was in reply to a post criticising someone for wanting to bomb the Muslim world implying Lee Rigby's parents would in some way endorse such an act, perhaps if you weren't in such a heightened state of panic at all times due to the prospect of the Muslim's coming to get us you'd have a bit more time to read what you've actually posted.

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I am not in a panic at all I have always been open and honest about my mistrust of Islam and you will not change that with your attempts to belittle me ,like your opinion matters to me lol lol very few here does ;)

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like - by way of example - you never heard or saw any massive objection to the 9/11 attacks from the arab countries or spokesmen - or if there were any they were censored


the idea of posting this thread is the objection to the dilution of our western values by stealth tactics of these alien people cherry picking our human rights issues


once again - saudi arabia and pakistan are the bogeymen and one and the same thing


you need to have this idea clearly in your mind

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Seriously :rolleyes:

So in fact almost all Arabian and Muslim leaders condemned the attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactio...#Islamic_world

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shame that our publicly funded pouring it all away on pensions and paedos bbc left wing dumbed down cretins didn't give some thought to that

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"you never heard or saw any massive objection to the 9/11 attacks from the arab countries or spokesmen". Obviously typing "Islamic condemnation of 9/11" is too taxing.

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EH?? :confused::confused: