Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Don’t mean to exclude anyone however this will work best if it’s voted on by our Scottish members only.

So 2014 how do you plan to vote? Yes or No for independence.

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Voted No because that's how I'll vote.
It's not only the SNP that concerns me either in an independent Scotland!
Disagree all you want with Smarmy Salmond but he's one of the best opportunistic politicians there's ever been.

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What I want to know is why the Scots get the right to vote on whether to leave or not, but the rest of the UK doesn't get a choice. Surely we should have a right to decide if to kick the Scots out or not?

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Your right and I do agree with you. You guys pay taxes to the UK government as we do.

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think it be a no vote not voting here as not Scottish and be so unfair to vote here

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Especially as well over 50% (think it was nearer 70% but can't remember) of English people would vote to leave the UK, democracy in action...

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The Scottish can vote for independence as they joined the union, where as Wales was conquered by the English many many years ago and strictly should ask if they can have independence.

Personally if they want it give them both it, but they have to take there share of any debt, have there own currency (NOT sterling) and expect handouts.

But the only thing that should be united it protection of this great island.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

It's on the agenda for Scots because of the Nats so we are having a debate about it.


I don't think there's enough groundswell support for England leaving the UK but some form of devolution may be well supported. There doesn't seem to be any intention for the main political parties to include that in their manifestos so even that may not be the case.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Because people have the right to self-determination. If they don't want to be ruled from Westminster that is their right and it's fair and proper to allow them the vote. There is no equivalent right for members of a nation to revoke that nationality from others.

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but it would bee possiable/fair to england (and/or) wales (and/or) NI to vote to leave the UK leaving Scotland as the only member :P

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Given how rule from westminster is working out for many parts of england i'd like the opputunity to vote to leave westminster rule but neve going to happen so not only the scots that have the right to self determination.

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My own personal opinion is when it comes down to the vote a considerable amount of Scottish people will vote against Independence.

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If I could, then I would vote for independence. Then I won't get abuse for not supporting Murray. That, and I don't think it is fair that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get things that English people have to pay for. Prescription charges for one thing.

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Really? I think it's very fair ;)

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Our government set it up, hows it unfair? I love it as need a lot of medication.

Also free nhs eye tests in Scotland.

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It's unfair because we English tax payers pay for your prescriptions/eye tests and dental but have to continue paying for ours. Simple really!

I read somewhere that if Scotland does gain independence then it will become Europe's first third world country, poorer than all the old eastern block countries, Greece, Spain etc and that the Eurozone will have pick up the tab, which will still cost the UK.

As an Englishman I say if they want to go then go, sod off and stop sponging, stick up a wall, close the border and see how long it is before you come crawling back.
Those that vote no know which side their bread is buttered!

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Because the UK voter would vote for them to go it alone IMO.

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Can't add much to the above only, "it's bang on the money."

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"Bang on the money" is usually backed up with modicum of facts..... none available in either post.

It's ill informed drivel like this that plays directly into the Yes vote camp.

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Do you have evidence to back this claim up??

I am pretty sure that us Scottish tax payers are the ones paying for this.

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Scotland's NHS is a different organisation so I don't think English people pay (we might do for Wales however). It's also absurd to suggest Scotland would be 'Europe's first third world country'. Scotland currently contributes more than it gets so it won't suddenly find itself in dire circumstances if they vote Yes.

However I think they won't be able to afford what the SNP are promising, that they'll need to find alternative sources of income when the Oil becomes too expensive to extract (and alternative energy may not be enough to compensate), and that their currency plans are flawed.

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Erm....our taxes go towards prescriptions too! Anyone would think it's only the English who pay tax!

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Yeah but we don't get them free is his point. We all pay taxes but we don't all get free prescriptions and, unlike Scotland, we're all paying into the same pot.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Unfortunately there is no tick-box system for where our taxes go.

On a humanitarian level I'm surprised so few English people are in favour of this. Free prescriptions have improved the health of Welsh people as those requiring medication in the past were often put off by the cost

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Strangely enough, 88% of all prescription items in England are prescribed free of charge.

http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/...iption-charges

The other 12% appears to have raised £9 billion (in 2011-12).

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Well there are a lot of exemptions. Young people, old people, and people with medical conditions. Naturally the latter two camps are the ones who need the most medications, having repeat prescriptions etc. I don't actually mind paying for my own prescriptions anyway, I rarely if ever have needed anything. I was just pointing out why it would be perceived as unfair.

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Note that the English tax payer contributes £35 billion to the Scottish people, if this stops how will the Scots survive.

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By raising their own money via taxation just the same way as it happens now. The argument is how much and for how long?

J

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And praise be to god that l don't have to pay for all my prescriptions as that would cost a pretty penny so l am very grateful to those who have to pay to cover people like me and many others.

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lol what a load of rubbish.

By any chance did you read this on a leaflet that came through your letterbox?

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Of course you'll say it's rubbish.
My wife has to pay for her prescriptions if she lived north of the border she would get these for free, so whilst we all pay taxes we have the added expense of paying prescription charges where as you may pay taxes you don't pay for prescriptions. Fair? I think not!
As for where I read it, I can't remember but I'll look later.

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I am pretty sure some of those statistics were rubbish. I say this as someone who wants Scotland to vote No.

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Quick Google found this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...y-by-2030.html
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile...02741fe48278a1

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I think that guy is mad. There is nothing to suggest Scotland would be that bad. Remember that they're a net contributor to the UK at the moment despite the idea that some have of England subsidising them.

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I like drivel, its an opinion that's mine, facts are not required as this is cable forum ;)

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Even if they vote Yes, its still not going to be "proper" independance.
As I understand it (feel free to correct me if Im wrong) we will still be providing their defence for example.

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And their currency.

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No, there are plans for a separate Scottish defence force, however in practice the defence of this whole island has been guaranteed by NATO (I.e. the USA) for many years now. If defence were the issue, the UK isn't independent as things stand. :D

The real problem for the Seps is their stated preference for a currency union with RUK. Scotland would have fiscal autonomy but no influence over monetary policy. Within the UK, Scottish politicians have influence over monetary issues and the Bank of England's obligation to act in the interests of the UK as a whole, includes Scotland. Outside of it, they have no influence and the BoE has no obligation to set monetary policy with regards to the needs of the Scottish economy.

Within a few years the result would be the train wreck that is the Eurozone, where policy oS set to favour Germany, with disastrous results for southern states like Greece.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Why do you want them to vote no? I keep hearing the benefits Scotland has by being in the union but no one ever says what England gets out if it.

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The same sort of train wreck which brought them into The union in the first place

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Then speak to your MP mate. This a choice the scottish government has taken. Don't get me wrong, if we chose to pay for a prescriptions then we would probs have money to invest else where in the country.

2 other points I would add -

The cost of medication probs is more excessive than it needs to me to fill shareholder pockets. Nothing has been done to address this. England alone has 10 times the population and to sustain a free prescription service would cost more numbers than I could count.

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I don't like the idea of Scotland no longer being British or having a place on the island which isn't the same country. As for benefits they make up 10% of our economy, we would be weaker without it, and our infrastructure is tied up across the border. We have military bases there, nuclear weapons there, they generate some of our power, and the fact there is no difference in nationality between the Scottish and English means the people can move back and forth without comment or hiderence helps as all as well.

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In this day and age Scotland is no more than a set of northern UK accents much like the southern English view the northern. The events hundreds of years ago are of no concern to me, i'm British and as far as i'm concerned this nothing but a goal of people who want power and this is a way to get it.

I live in Edinburgh, have lived in Scotland all my life, my immediate family are all Scottish but the second this happens (if it does) we'll be moving and we'll be Carlislish or Londonish instead of Scottish.

For such a tiny island we have a ridiculously large ego.

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These are arguments for staying in the union? They produce some wind, seriously because how much of that 10% would be lost if we shut the bases/ moved them to England and got rid of the nukes

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Quite a bit as the 10% includes North Sea Oil, Whiskey, and err kilts maybe....

But emotional attachment to what Britain is seems a good reason to me, as good a reason as an emotional attachment to Scotland being a reason to leave. The default should be staying in the Union and needing a reason to leave as well, rather than the other way around.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

Well we haven't done so bad together over the centuries I guess either

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I also pay for mine @ £28 per month.

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Why? Just get a yearly prepaid subscription for about £10 a month.

I spent a week in Scotland for my honeymoon and I have to say it's like a different world compared to England. Apart from being one of the most beautiful places I've been to, the people seems to have a sense of pride. An identity that is miles away from the feeling that English people have themselves. England has lost its pride and identity, well maybe not lost but we feel ashamed to show the sense of pride that the Scottish people are proud of.

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The only saving grace about being diabetic is I qualify for a medical exemption certificate, so even now working I don't pay for them. Which is a massive bonus.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ion-a-day.html

Interesting that this has come out after the vote.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

How is it?

We all knew the SNP were wrong.

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Interesting in that one would have thought that the No vote campaigners would have used this data to support their campaign.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

The oil price collapsed after the election...

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

and if it doesn't recover, the SNP's manifesto sums are going to need a whole lot of reworking and their ability to deliver on all those promises is going to be in serious doubt if it wasn't already.

Re: Scottish Independence - The Cable Forum Vote
 

They needed reworking anyway. They were torn to shreds before the vote but anyone questioning it was branded a scaremonger.

It was fantasyland economics even when oil was over $100 a barrel.

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How unlike politicians to make up a load of stuff people want to hear eh?... ;)

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What's even more frightening is the number of people willing to accept it without question.

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Too true. It's the art of the conman - working out what people want to hear or respond to and giving it them.