Children of 8 forced to a workshop on Islam or have record of racial discrimination
 

on their record

Made the headline more in line with the letter than the Mail headline but this kind of things anger me. I bet Islamic children would not have to attend a Christian workshop

When are we going to make other cultures integrate with us instead of us having to integrate with them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-outrage.html

The school did backtrack after the council intervened but the head needs her head read

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I don't see anything wrong with kids needing to learn about (that's LEARN ABOUT, not 'agree with' or 'convert to') Islam seeing as it's such a hot topic in world news right now plus it's one of the fastest growing religions in the world. That way they can learn the facts instead of the "they're all just suicide bombers who want to turn the UK in to an Islamic state" BS that does the rounds today.

The racial discrimination record is pathetic though. Sounds more like the head trying too hard to be seen as being PC. Either that or she expected enough parents to object to the workshop purely because it was about Islam.

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That is really bad. threatening the family with a racial discrimination charge. the woman wants her head looking at.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/11/11.jpg

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I don't see how a visit to see Islamic artefacts would do anything to inform them about Islam.

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there was also a forced charge of a fiver

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just imagine what would have happened if it was a christian workshop and it was muslims threatened

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exactly. You can be a religious bigot but not a racist I am happy being a bigot myself :) lol

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It's like that with my niece and nephews school though.
it's a bit of a posh school, and their mum gets letters every other day telling her she's got to pay for this and pay for that all the time.

But seriously, that is really bad to say "Refusal to allow your child to attend this trip will result in a Racial Discrimination note being attached to your child’s education record, which will remain on this file throughout their school career."

It wouldn't surprise me if this woman gets a lot of grief for that threat. she really does deserve it.

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Just like visiting sites with Roman artefacts teaches you nothing about Romans.

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It would be educational about Roman times and culture, but this is different because it was meant to be about educating about the religion.

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If we accept that is was in fact racism why penalise the child for the parent's actions?

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islam is not a race so cannot be discriminated against racially .

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A case of trying too hard.

It's idiots like this that fuel tensions.

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Ok so no schoolchild should visit here http://www.jewishmuseum.org.uk/ or here http://www.manchesterjewishmuseum.com/

and make sure they avoid anything to do with these at the V&A

http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/c/christianity/
http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/h/hinduism/
http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/b/buddhism/

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they would be better off at the natural history museum it's based on facts not fiction .

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What have they got anything to do with learning about the history, customs, and beliefs of the religion itself? That is what they were meant be learning about in RE.

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How did such a stupid person get to be head of a school?:confused:


The idea wasn't a bad one but the execution of it was stunningly bad.

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Have there been any reports of that happening?

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hard work and dedication ;)

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i'll check the daily mail ;)

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+1.

She should be removed as head.

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Sheesh, arguments removed.
Can we please have one thread where people dont spend more time arguing with each other.

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Probably not and probably never will happen. I have to agree with Tiz. If Muslim children had something similar forced upon them there'd be a bigger scene than this.

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The issue is the stupidity of the head. A phone call or chat with the parents should have sufficed, not a threatening and defamatory letter.

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Can you imagine if she put a racial mark down on your kids report. you'd sue her arse off.

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Yep a schoolboy error, threaten them over the phone that way there's no record

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Does anyone know if this trip is still going ahead on the 27th?
have the parents got together and refusing for their child to go now?

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(inspired by Alexi Sayle)
anyone referring to workshops who is not directly involved in light engineering is a tw&t

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we did - but the thread got closed down

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There's no reason why it shouldn't.

There's nothing wrong with the trip, the only issue was the threatening letter.

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Shouldn't be forced upon them.

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I know.
but I'd be interested whether it's still going ahead, and whether out of disgust the parents are not sending their children now *because* of the racial threat.

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The trip doesn't serve the purpose it is meant to. It is meant to teach about religion. How does taking a day out to look at artefacts do that?

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I don't know, I haven't been on the trip therefore I can't comment on its content or whether it fulfils its ambitions.

But either way I wouldn't have an issue with my child going on the trip. Although I do think the £5 bit is a bit excessive.

So if parents didn't want to pay that, I could understand them not wanting their kids to go on that basis.

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I wonder how it came across, or would come across to the most PC parent in the world. when and if they were to receive that letter and threat?

another thing is the charge of £5. it's like people say she wanted to take them there. and there's bound to be some parents who can't afford the £5.
and what if they were to come up with something everyday. demanding £5 and £10 a time.
how's a normal family supposed to fund it all the time?

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We must bow down to Islamists. Islam is not a religion it is a satanic cult, killing in the name of their god, how satanic is that? And why are politics accepting this?

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That's a joke post....right?

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:D

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I'd let my kids go on the trip (and want them to) but I'd also inform them about:
I can go on for a decade or two back in time. The death toll is quite worrying.....

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There's no reason to suggest the objectivity of the trip wouldn't be balanced - that side of Islam may well be included in the learning.

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you would hope so seeing as its only really western Muslims that think Islam is peaceful

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lol

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Why? The letter only specifies looking at artefacts. Which is odd considering the 2012 event sounds like it had more relevant educational goals.
All that in 2 hours.

Struggling to find anything specific about the 2013 event.

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Swansea University has a well-respected Egyptian artefact museum and when I was 15 my class went along as part of a project we were doing about Ancient Egypt.

From memory it was informative and I included a lot of what I saw in the project I handed in. Up until then I had no real idea of anything about those times and cultures other than what I'd read in books.

Schoolkids go on trips like these all the time. I fail to see the problem other than the suggestion that a 'racial' note would be placed on the files.

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I think if they're going to be taught/educated about Islam. then you have to include the really bad bits of it too. don't make it look all rosey.
they don't miss out the bad bits when it comes to the World Wars.

after all, the 'malfunctioning' ones do all their bad things in the name of Islam.
and brushing it over with "oh, they're just an exception" is lying to the kids.

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Finally a post that makes sense from you.

There is indeed some staggering ignorance about Islam these days and balanced education will go a long way to ensure future generations don't turn out to be clones of the EDL.

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I have learnt all I need to know from the news about atrocities, terrorism and the treatment of women in none western Islamic countries do not need it sugar coated myself

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I agree. You only need to look East to see what it is really like.

Whole areas of Kenya are now closed to non Muslims since the Somalians have started flooding in for example. I think an awful lot of what is happening in Africa is not being reported

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Exactly. seeing artefacts could only be about time, place and culture and nothing to with any religion. Even looking at religious artefacts wouldn't tell you anything about the religion itself. This was meant to be a trip in connection with the "National Religious Education Curriculum".

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Quite.

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Utter utter rubbish. I can only assume you have never been on any kind of trip to see ancient or religious artefacts.

Ancient Egyptians used to worships cats, sun gods etx, were you aware of that?

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They'll have to tell them about Mohammed, then?

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the bloke who owns the kebab shop ?

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That's the fella.

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You're speculating.

You have no idea as to the content of the information on the field trip.

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She`s apologised & retracted her statement & letter. Now, Ms Small, (Minded), you need sacking.