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martyh 16-11-2013 11:33

£11bn Olympics Benefit Target Met
 
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Foreign investment and contracts won by UK firms have contributed to the four-year target being reached in just 12 months.
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"UK Trade & Investment has played a key role in helping British companies maximise these opportunities and the result is a £11.06bn boost to the UK economy from the Games, reaching our four-year target in just over a year."
http://news.sky.com/story/1169425/11bn-olympics-benefit-target-met

So all those who said the Olympics were a big waste of money will now be issuing grovelling apologies and finally admitting that the Olympics where a good thing for UK plc

Gary L 16-11-2013 11:37

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Ok.

denphone 16-11-2013 11:58

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645773)




http://news.sky.com/story/1169425/11bn-olympics-benefit-target-met

So all those who said the Olympics were a big waste of money will now be issuing grovelling apologies and finally admitting that the Olympics where a good thing for UK plc

Indeed but alas l am afraid some of the doomsayers will still say it was a waste of time and not worth it when in my humble opinion it was worth every penny.

Osem 16-11-2013 12:09

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Yep, the doom and gloom merchants got it very badly wrong and I think UK PLC will continue to benefit from the worldwide exposure of the best Olympics yet.

martyh 16-11-2013 12:20

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35645783)
Yep, the doom and gloom merchants got it very badly wrong and I think UK PLC will continue to benefit from the worldwide exposure of the best Olympics yet.


Went past the olympic village yesterday and it all looks full of busy ,here's an interesting site showing before and after shots

http://www.timeout.com/london/things...d-then-and-now

Taf 16-11-2013 12:26

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I wonder who got richer?

Hugh 16-11-2013 12:28

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35645785)
Whilst I would welcome the recoup of the monies spent on the games the linked article mentions a report but no authors are named. I'd like to know WHO's report this is.

If it's by the LOC then they would say that wouldn't they. Cause and effect in economics are rarely that closely linked.

The report is from the UKTI, not LOCOG.

http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/home/item/654760.html

Osem 16-11-2013 12:29

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Yes, anyone who hadn't seen what the area was like before 2012 might not appreciate just what's been done there. It's the same with Canary Wharf, in another life I worked on many of the derelict sites and run down areas in that part of London and the transformation has been amazing.

martyh 16-11-2013 12:40

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35645785)
Whilst I would welcome the recoup of the monies spent on the games the linked article mentions a report but no authors are named. I'd like to know WHO's report this is.

If it's by the LOC then they would say that wouldn't they. Cause and effect in economics are rarely that closely linked.

I believe it is by these chaps

http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/media/item/654760.html

beaten by Hugh :D

Osem 16-11-2013 12:52

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645794)
I believe it is by these chaps

http://www.ukti.gov.uk/uktihome/media/item/654760.html

beaten by Hugh :D

Did it hurt? :erm: :D

martyh 16-11-2013 12:55

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35645798)
Did it hurt? :erm: :D

could be worrying but it was not unpleasant :D

nomadking 16-11-2013 13:42

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35645805)
Hugh and Martyh :tu:

Please excuse my scepticism but so many reports headlined in the press turn out to be wishful thinking or agenda pushing by special interest groups.

And the sceptics don't suffer from wishful thinking or agenda pushing?:confused:

RizzyKing 16-11-2013 14:00

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Finally something labour got right then maybe there is hope for them.

Osem 16-11-2013 14:53

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35645826)
Finally something labour got right then maybe there is hope for them.

Well they had 13 years trying so were bound to get something right amongst all the lies, spin and failures... :D

TheDaddy 16-11-2013 14:55

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35645790)
I wonder who got richer?

Put it like this, I doubt many who lived there before can afford to live there now :(

Taf 16-11-2013 15:48

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35645848)
Put it like this, I doubt many who lived there before can afford to live there now :(

It's the same here after the Cardiff Bay revamp. Though many places were Buy-to-let, so the place is now crawling with unemployed residents who tone the place down again. I doubt they can afford to frequent the local venues and restaurants though... I certainly can't.

Hugh 16-11-2013 16:17

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35645848)
Put it like this, I doubt many who lived there before can afford to live there now :(

Actually, half of the houses are 'affordable homes' (around 1400).

http://www.east-thames.co.uk/projects

colin25 16-11-2013 16:23

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Does it say that the money spent was the best possible use of the money?

I suspect not

martyh 16-11-2013 16:41

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35645868)
Does it say that the money spent was the best possible use of the money?

I suspect not

What is the best possible use of the money? ,also what money are on about ?

The article i linked to is about the benefits of the Olympics to UKplc and the contracts awarded to uk companies on the back of the Olympics build success

TheDaddy 16-11-2013 17:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35645867)
Actually, half of the houses are 'affordable homes' (around 1400).

http://www.east-thames.co.uk/projects

affordable rent can be 80% of local market rent, so I wonder how many people who lived there before can afford to live there now.

Hugh 16-11-2013 22:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35645892)
affordable rent can be 80% of local market rent, so I wonder how many people who lived there before can afford to live there now.

Considering that the area was formerly contaminated land and industrial buildings, I don't think many people lived there before....

Also, nearly half of the Affordable Rents are Social Housing.

http://www.triathlonhomes.com/the-homes/to-rent/
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Social rented homes

675 social rented homes are available and affordable to those on low incomes, as the rent is set below market rates.

These have been allocated for residents on the housing register in Newham, Olympic host boroughs and social housing tenants who want to move from other London boroughs into Newham.

Osem 16-11-2013 23:07

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35646008)
Considering that the area was formerly contaminated land and industrial buildings, I don't think many people lived there before....

Mutants maybe? :D

Well they found some of those rare crested newts Red Ken used to bang on about and I don't think they've been compensated for having to move. :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7015077.stm

adzii_nufc 16-11-2013 23:09

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All we need to do now is chase down the millions G4s Should pay back.

Damien 17-11-2013 01:44

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Does it really matter too much if we get an economic benefit? Surely it was worth it. The Olympics were amazing even if we lost money, you do lose money doing nice things sometimes. The question should be if the cost was worth what you got and it certainly was, imo, with the Olympics. It hard a hard job convincing people who were so set against it but from the Opening Ceremony onwards it was a great success. Even the failure of G4S to be competent turned out to be a good thing since the army did a great job. The Olympic park was an amazing place to be. We did well in the medals. We also had the best Paralympic Games ever. In China they had to give away the tickets and the athletes still mostly played to empty stadiums. Here the tickets often sold out, the events were shown in prime time and all the time.

If you don't think we did an excellent job of hosting the Olympic and Paralympic games you've got a screw loose.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35645848)
Put it like this, I doubt many who lived there before can afford to live there now :(

This is a London-wide problem. People have been buying up London properties as a form of investment rather than a home, especially those from abroad worried about their money. It's a safe and lucrative place to store your money. London is a bit better than the rest of the south east in allowing development, it happens all the time, but now developers target that market rather than the more affordable end. The result is increasing inflation in the London housing market and people being priced out. A lot of London districts are begin gentrified now, look at Tottenham and in the past Shoreditch would be an example.

Money talks. :(

nomadking 17-11-2013 01:48

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For the Army to take over some of the duties of G4S was easy, as they didn't have to jump through the various hoops that G4S had to. Eg Security clearance, finding many temporary staff.

colin25 17-11-2013 02:29

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645870)
What is the best possible use of the money? ,also what money are on about ?

The article i linked to is about the benefits of the Olympics to UKplc and the contracts awarded to uk companies on the back of the Olympics build success

the article is about trying to justify the money spent for the olympics being hosted.

Don't be fooled that it isn't for that purpose.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35646032)
For the Army to take over some of the duties of G4S was easy, as they didn't have to jump through the various hoops that G4S had to. Eg Security clearance, finding many temporary staff.

the other things they didn't need to worry about...giving an accurate bid for the contract etc

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35646028)
Does it really matter too much if we get an economic benefit? Surely it was worth it. The Olympics were amazing even if we lost money, you do lose money doing nice things sometimes. The question should be if the cost was worth what you got and it certainly was, imo, with the Olympics. It hard a hard job convincing people who were so set against it but from the Opening Ceremony onwards it was a great success. Even the failure of G4S to be competent turned out to be a good thing since the army did a great job. The Olympic park was an amazing place to be. We did well in the medals. We also had the best Paralympic Games ever. In China they had to give away the tickets and the athletes still mostly played to empty stadiums. Here the tickets often sold out, the events were shown in prime time and all the time.

If you don't think we did an excellent job of hosting the Olympic and Paralympic games you've got a screw loose.

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. :(

Are you seriously saying this was the best use of the money?

It was a vanity project, that the government is doing its best to justify.

The few who benefited will be the hogs who organise the olympics (to get their back handers) and the large corporations

Nidge41 17-11-2013 06:59

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645773)




http://news.sky.com/story/1169425/11bn-olympics-benefit-target-met

So all those who said the Olympics were a big waste of money will now be issuing grovelling apologies and finally admitting that the Olympics where a good thing for UK plc

Really? Have they forget to mention how much they lost with the ticketing fiasco? How much the retailers lost while the games were on? Hotels that were half empty. Add all that up and it will take the shine off any made up figure.

TheDaddy 17-11-2013 07:41

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35646008)
Considering that the area was formerly contaminated land and industrial buildings, I don't think many people lived there before....

Also, nearly half of the Affordable Rents are Social Housing.

http://www.triathlonhomes.com/the-homes/to-rent/

Funny there's loads/ hundreds maybe of people from round there that were moved out to chafford hundred to make way for the olympic park and village and is up to 80% of market rent not what there charging or something, its not clear from your link what your "also" query was about.

martyh 17-11-2013 08:12

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35646034)
the article is about trying to justify the money spent for the olympics being hosted.

Don't be fooled that it isn't for that purpose.

The report is showing that companies have won contracts worth around £11billion as a direct result of the Olympics.The money spent on the Olympics has already been justified

It might help if you actually read it

colin25 17-11-2013 08:29

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35646051)
The report is showing that companies have won contracts worth around £11billion as a direct result of the Olympics.The money spent on the Olympics has already been justified

It might help if you actually read it

I said...perhaps beyond your comprehension so will repeat with simpler words

Is this really the best use of money?

It might help if you actually read before commenting

martyh 17-11-2013 18:53

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35646054)
I said...perhaps beyond your comprehension so will repeat with simpler words

Is this really the best use of money?

It might help if you actually read before commenting

and i've asked you what the hell money are you on about ,the article does not mention any money being spent it talks about money being earned from the olympic investment ,so if that is the money you are on about then you missed the boat because that investment is now earning us 11billion a year ,or maybe you would have preferred no investment just ploughing the money into benefits

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35646040)
Really? Have they forget to mention how much they lost with the ticketing fiasco? How much the retailers lost while the games were on? Hotels that were half empty. Add all that up and it will take the shine off any made up figure.

I don't think they lost money on the tickets ,the problem with the tickets was the allocation ,they where still paid for and if retailers can't capitalise on an event as big as the Olympics then that is there problem

colin25 18-11-2013 02:51

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35646162)
and i've asked you what the hell money are you on about ,the article does not mention any money being spent it talks about money being earned from the olympic investment ,so if that is the money you are on about then you missed the boat because that investment is now earning us 11billion a year ,or maybe you would have preferred no investment just ploughing the money into benefits

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I don't think they lost money on the tickets ,the problem with the tickets was the allocation ,they where still paid for and if retailers can't capitalise on an event as big as the Olympics then that is there problem

I suspect you are the idiot child in the family...but..let's go to basics

Money was spent on olympics...it wasn't good faries who magically made it happen, nor was it donated by wealthy individuals.

Sorry to shatter your illusion.

And, that makes it relevant, if it wasn't the most appropriate way to spend the money.

As to the contracts, are you benefiting from those contracts. Or is it the same tories who benefited from the original spend, now benefiting from these contracts.

As to retailers benefiting from the Olympics? You mean the businesses who were banned from displaying anything about the olympics because it was against the olympics rules. The multi-corporation did well, but they pay a good amount of back handers to the olympic committee members.

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oh, and you must not know how it works.

The game, is to point to everything that happened that could be construed as being because of the olympics, and count that as a benefit. Even if it likely would have happened.

Politics...go figure

martyh 18-11-2013 10:04

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35646318)
I suspect you are the idiot child in the family...but..let's go to basics

Money was spent on olympics...it wasn't good faries who magically made it happen, nor was it donated by wealthy individuals.

Sorry to shatter your illusion.

And, that makes it relevant, if it wasn't the most appropriate way to spend the money.

As to the contracts, are you benefiting from those contracts. Or is it the same tories who benefited from the original spend, now benefiting from these contracts.

As to retailers benefiting from the Olympics? You mean the businesses who were banned from displaying anything about the olympics because it was against the olympics rules. The multi-corporation did well, but they pay a good amount of back handers to the olympic committee members.

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oh, and you must not know how it works.

The game, is to point to everything that happened that could be construed as being because of the olympics, and count that as a benefit. Even if it likely would have happened.

Politics...go figure


well since you aren't going to bother reading any links posted before commenting i'll do it for you

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The UK economy has benefited from a £11.06 billion trade and investment boost through businesses securing contract wins, additional sales and new foreign investment.
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The £11.06 billion figure includes £130 million of contracts won by UK companies for the Brazil 2014 World Cup and the Rio 2016 Olympic and Paralympic Games. More than 60 UK companies have also won contracts for the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics, most of them mid-sized enterprises.
Note the word "additional" and "new" ,these are contracts EXTRA to what would normally be expected

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“The delivery of London 2012 on time and on budget led to hosting nations turning to the UK to help deliver their own events with supply opportunities running into the billions.

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oh, and you must not know how it works.

The game, is to point to everything that happened that could be construed as being because of the olympics, and count that as a benefit. Even if it likely would have happened.

Politics...go figure

well you obviously don't ,UKTI is an advisory dept that advises companies on foreign investment ,the figures they are quoting are from the companies that have won the contracts and signed the deals and then reported back to UKTI on the results so they are not just made up numbers by a government dept

Nidge41 18-11-2013 10:08

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35646162)
and i've asked you what the hell money are you on about ,the article does not mention any money being spent it talks about money being earned from the olympic investment ,so if that is the money you are on about then you missed the boat because that investment is now earning us 11billion a year ,or maybe you would have preferred no investment just ploughing the money into benefits

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I don't think they lost money on the tickets ,the problem with the tickets was the allocation ,they where still paid for and if retailers can't capitalise on an event as big as the Olympics then that is there problem

They were given away by the Sponsors Coca Cola and MacDonalds.

Stuart 18-11-2013 10:40

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35646162)
I don't think they lost money on the tickets ,the problem with the tickets was the allocation ,they where still paid for and if retailers can't capitalise on an event as big as the Olympics then that is there problem

The problem, at least at Greenwich. where I work, is that the local shops and market were told that the Olympics would bring in a massive increase in trade then when it came to the actual event, TFL did an excellent job of getting the spectators to and from Greenwich station, but kept them away from a lot of the shops, and effectively sealed off the major market in the area. As such, most of the shops, and the market, took fairly heavy losses.

martyh 18-11-2013 10:47

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35646365)
The problem, at least at Greenwich. where I work, is that the local shops and market were told that the Olympics would bring in a massive increase in trade then when it came to the actual event, TFL did an excellent job of getting the spectators to and from Greenwich station, but kept them away from a lot of the shops, and effectively sealed off the major market in the area. As such, most of the shops, and the market, took fairly heavy losses.

Then i stand corrected .With an operation as large as the Olympics was i can't see how everybody could benefit but as the greater good i still say it was the right to do

Osem 18-11-2013 10:51

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35646365)
The problem, at least at Greenwich. where I work, is that the local shops and market were told that the Olympics would bring in a massive increase in trade then when it came to the actual event, TFL did an excellent job of getting the spectators to and from Greenwich station, but kept them away from a lot of the shops, and effectively sealed off the major market in the area. As such, most of the shops, and the market, took fairly heavy losses.

Yes that was a problem but with such a major event I think things like that were always going to happen because things could so easily have ground to a halt and they had to err on the side of caution. In an effort to ensure London didn't grind to a halt, the authorities did such a good job of warning off potential ad-hoc visitors about congestion that quite a bit of trade was lost by taxi drivers, restaurants etc.

Taf 18-11-2013 13:27

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Less than 1% of the £2.5bn the UK government says has been invested by foreign firms after the Olympic and Paralympics has come to Wales, a House of Lords report has found.

The economic benefits from 2012 were "disproportionally weighted" towards southern England, the report said.

Fewer than 500 jobs were created in Wales, out of a total of 30,000.
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"We should in Wales have had a full Barnett consequential of that spending, in fact we only got £9m of the £250m we should have expected."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-24983593

Stuart 18-11-2013 20:50

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35646367)
Then i stand corrected .With an operation as large as the Olympics was i can't see how everybody could benefit but as the greater good i still say it was the right to do

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35646368)
Yes that was a problem but with such a major event I think things like that were always going to happen because things could so easily have ground to a halt and they had to err on the side of caution. In an effort to ensure London didn't grind to a halt, the authorities did such a good job of warning off potential ad-hoc visitors about congestion that quite a bit of trade was lost by taxi drivers, restaurants etc.

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they did it, and I suspect, had they not done it, chaos would have ensued. Thankfully I don't work in the market or the shops, so I just got the benefit (assuming you could get in it, the market does excellent food and for those two weeks at least, there was no queues).


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