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Osem 12-11-2013 16:29

Blunkett in Roma warning
 
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Tensions between local people and Roma migrants could escalate into rioting unless action is taken to improve integration, David Blunkett has warned.

The former home secretary fears a repeat of race riots that hit northern cities in 2001.

His concerns centre on the Page Hall area of Sheffield, where Roma migrants from Slovakia have set up home.

But he also accused the government of "burying their head in the sand" over the scale of Roma settlement in the UK.

In an interview with BBC Radio Sheffield, he said the Roma community had to make more of an effort to fit in with British culture.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24909979

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And he accused the government of "burying their head in the sand" over the size of the Roma community living in the UK, which he said was revealed in a recent study by Salford University.

"They [the government] have been saying there is less than 50,000 Roma in England. The Salford study shows that at a very conservative estimate, there's over 200,000. That they constitute a very large minority, with real problems."
Not sure I recall him voicing too many similar concerns when his party was opening the migration floodgates, getting their sums badly wrong and indulging in social engineering. Odd that he's so worried now but maybe he's finally seen the light and those his party shouted down and accused of irrational bigotry had a point after all...

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Mr Blunkett's intervention was praised by UKIP leader Nigel Farage, who campaigns against the ending of border controls for migrants from Romania and Bulgaria, both countries with significant Roma populations.

He said: "Mr Blunkett should be admired for the courage he has shown by speaking so plainly on this issue. Of course, the type of language he has used I would have been utterly condemned for using.
He's got a point too hasn't he?

Sirius 12-11-2013 17:35

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35644227)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24909979



Not sure I recall him voicing too many similar concerns when his party was opening the migration floodgates, getting their sums badly wrong and indulging in social engineering. Odd that he's so worried now but maybe he's finally seen the light and those his party shouted down and accused of irrational bigotry had a point after all...



He's got a point too hasn't he?

And good help us when the flood gates open soon for more Eastern European migrants. Its so nice of the EU to force us to open our borders. It was Labour who signed away our right to control our own borders so lets say thanks to LABOUR :2up:

tizmeinnit 12-11-2013 18:19

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if they are not prepared to integrate with US then THEY should be should the doors

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35644266)
And good help us when the flood gates open soon for more Eastern European migrants. Its so nice of the EU to force us to open our borders. It was Labour who signed away our right to control our own borders so lets say thanks to LABOUR :2up:

It would have been forced upon us same as everything else pretty much the EU wants. All our leaders have shown no balls except ironically Thatcher of all people who at least paved the way for us to stay out of the monetary union

What we need as I know you agree is to sever ties with the EU and grow some balls and become great again

Sirius 12-11-2013 18:41

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35644273)
if they are not prepared to integrate with US then THEY should be should the doors

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It would have been forced upon us same as everything else pretty much the EU wants. All our leaders have shown no balls except ironically Thatcher of all people who at least paved the way for us to stay out of the monetary union

What we need as I know you agree is to sever ties with the EU and grow some balls and become great again

Thats why we are no longer Great Britain we are Weak Arsed Britain that has been ruined by weak arsed liberals and who want us controlled and run from Brussels

tizmeinnit 12-11-2013 18:43

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35644292)
Thats why we are no longer Great Britain we are Weak Arsed Britain that has been ruined by weak arsed liberals and who want us controlled and run from Brussels

agreed

Osem 13-11-2013 14:59

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... and, as if by magic, up pops Jack Straw to tell us all how they got migration all wrong. Has he only just realised this or is it just a device by which to throw people of the strong scent of social engineering which characterised their years in office... :rolleyes:

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Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.

The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".

Labour relied on research suggesting 13,000 migrants a year would arrive.

But the influx was much larger than expected and contributed to net migration rising above 200,000 a year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24924219

It seems to me having made such a catastrophic and irreversible 'mistake', which they denied for a decade or more, we really shouldn't believe what they say now and certainly not the usual old promises along the lines of "yes we're terribly sorry we made mistakes but we've learned our lessons and promise to make it all better if you vote us back into office, blah, blah, blah..."

Taf 13-11-2013 16:01

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Not rioting as yet, but definitely family/tribal battles between Roma around here, and that is mostly Czech and Slovakian Roma. The Czech Roma I know are scared stiff of Romanian Roma and are not looking forward to their numbers rising next year.

deadite66 13-11-2013 18:05

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Anyone would think we have an election on the way.

Sirius 13-11-2013 18:17

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Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35644757)
Anyone would think we have an election on the way.

No we have a invasion on the way

Escapee 13-11-2013 18:54

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35644691)
Not rioting as yet, but definitely family/tribal battles between Roma around here, and that is mostly Czech and Slovakian Roma. The Czech Roma I know are scared stiff of Romanian Roma and are not looking forward to their numbers rising next year.

My partners youngest daughter went out to play with a group of Czech kids as she is in school with them. The friend called for her and they had to take the long route to avoid the Romanian Roma group who congregate in large numbers just off City Road.

I was stopped a few months ago as I was walking just off City Road by an elderly couple who asked if they could walk with me as they were afraid. There is no other way of putting it but these people really do act like **** and have made the area pretty much a no-go zone for decent people.

Osem 13-11-2013 19:00

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I don't suppose you'll get any apologies for that sad state of affairs or that any will be forthcoming when the next wave arrives. Thanks in large part to the last Government, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35644764)
No we have a invasion on the way

There's really no need to worry at all you know. According to an 'in-depth study' it's being forecast that only a few hundred will arrive on our shores after January... :rolleyes:

martyh 13-11-2013 19:11

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35644786)


There's really no need to worry at all you know. According to an 'in-depth study' it's being forecast that only a few hundred will arrive on our shores after January... :rolleyes:


yep ,that report cited high unemployment in the uk as one reason they would stay away........ trouble is unemployment seems to be falling

Osem 13-11-2013 19:31

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We all know what happened last time a study predicted how many Poles would come to the UK don't we... :rolleyes:

Taf 13-11-2013 19:34

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Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 35644781)
My partners youngest daughter went out to play with a group of Czech kids as she is in school with them. The friend called for her and they had to take the long route to avoid the Romanian Roma group who congregate in large numbers just off City Road.

I was stopped a few months ago as I was walking just off City Road by an elderly couple who asked if they could walk with me as they were afraid. There is no other way of putting it but these people really do act like **** and have made the area pretty much a no-go zone for decent people.

The Kurdish (from several countries) population in that area has been strong-arming the locals (especially shopkeepers) and they seem able to buy the latest and poshest cars all of a sudden. The Roma and the Kurds don't get on well either, but I haven't heard of any violence yet.

Osem 13-11-2013 19:40

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35644815)
The Kurdish (from several countries) population in that area has been strong-arming the locals (especially shopkeepers) and they seem able to buy the latest and poshest cars all of a sudden. The Roma and the Kurds don't get on well either, but I haven't heard of any violence yet.

Ah well it's all part of the EU sponsored cultural enrichment programme. It's really great that we can now enjoy so many more ethnic tensions on our shores than ever before... :rolleyes:

Ramrod 13-11-2013 20:50

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Having no restrictions on eastern European migrants in 2004 was a "spectacular mistake", former Labour home secretary Jack Straw has said.

The Labour MP said handing immediate working rights to Poles and others when they joined the EU nine years ago was a "well-intentioned policy we messed up".
I (and others) said that on CF back then and were called racists by our Left leaning members here. No apology yet......not that I expect one as Guardianistas tend not to apologise, they just make excuses and move on to the next five year plan :dozey:

Arthurgray50@blu 13-11-2013 23:09

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I don't like to say this guys, but if you arrive at traffic lights, guarantee you that the window washers will be Romas, you will find them at Hanger Lane A40 jucn. They are there everyday.

Escapee 13-11-2013 23:16

Re: Blunkett in Roma warning
 
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35644815)
The Kurdish (from several countries) population in that area has been strong-arming the locals (especially shopkeepers) and they seem able to buy the latest and poshest cars all of a sudden. The Roma and the Kurds don't get on well either, but I haven't heard of any violence yet.

I didn't know they were different groups until the youngest told me. This group have taken over the small park, community centre and basketball court just off City Road near the Poets Corner pub. (I think it's Shakespeare Road) There are dozens of them there all hours of the day and night.

I understand they don't even live in the area, most of them seem to wander over from the Splott area. There has been some issues with vandalism as they make their way home, the only good thing about them is the chav's from Llanrumney who used to travel to the area to cause trouble are now to scared to visit.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35644870)
I (and others) said that on CF back then and were called racists by our Left leaning members here. No apology yet......not that I expect one as Guardianistas tend not to apologise, they just make excuses and move on to the next five year plan :dozey:

So you also noticed how members with certain political views went quiet and cable forum changed not long after the last election.

The race card was a powerful tool to stifle debate, I believe I read a few months ago that there were claims that Labour paid people to go on forums and discredit any views that were not to the left.

The irony of Labour MPs makng comments about immigration;)

Cobbydaler 14-11-2013 05:49

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35644227)
Odd that he's so worried now but maybe he's finally seen the light

Don't think he'll be seeing the light anytime soon... :cool:

Jimmy-J 14-11-2013 08:19

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I wonder where it's all going to end? The future looks pretty dim.

Russ 14-11-2013 08:43

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There are no immigrants, regardless of colour, nationality etc around here. I almost feel left out...

martyh 14-11-2013 09:47

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35645014)
There are no immigrants, regardless of colour, nationality etc around here. I almost feel left out...

you live in wales ,nuff said :D

Russ 14-11-2013 09:50

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645026)
you live in wales ,nuff said :D

And that's good enough for me.

Taf 14-11-2013 11:59

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35645014)
There are no immigrants, regardless of colour, nationality etc around here. I almost feel left out...


The immigrant populations seem to have been gravitating towards the larger towns and cities in Wales. After Newport and Cardiff, the next big groups I've seen are in Port Talbot, Neath, Llanelli and Swansea. The North has had a very large Eastern European influx from what I have been told.

Roma are very involved with the Clothes for Charity scams, even raiding recycling bins... and this is bound to be upsetting the Latvian/Lithuanian (not sure which) "organisations" who also do this.

Russ 14-11-2013 13:19

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Not quite - there are very few (if any) in Neath, Port Talbot and in Swansea there are hardly any.

The way some people go on about immigrants, we almost feel left out or seemingly like the problem is exaggerated elsewhere.

Jimmy-J 14-11-2013 13:24

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Plenty of immigrants in Llandudno, the hotel we stayed at was virtually run by them.

Russ 14-11-2013 13:28

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I have no doubt

Arthurgray50@blu 14-11-2013 14:38

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Russ, if you live in Wales, there no ports there is there. I will send some Romas over to you, straight up the A40 over the Severn Bridge - bingo.

About six weeks ago, the police nicked six of them just up the road. After they did someones house. They will go straight to Colnbrook detention centre.

Hugh 14-11-2013 15:22

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35645157)
Russ, if you live in Wales, there no ports there is there. I will send some Romas over to you, straight up the A40 over the Severn Bridge - bingo.

About six weeks ago, the police nicked six of them just up the road. After they did someones house. They will go straight to Colnbrook detention centre.

Besides Newport, Barry, Port Talbot, Cardiff, Swansea, Milford Haven, Fishguard, Holyhead, and Mostyn? ;)

richard s 14-11-2013 15:46

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35645026)
you live in wales ,nuff said :D


Its the English that live in Wales which are the foreigners.

Arthurgray50@blu 14-11-2013 15:53

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Point taken Hugh. I worked in Wales on several occasion's at The Morriston Hospital and Barry (for the holiday camp-which is no longer there).

Russ 14-11-2013 15:59

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35645175)
Besides Newport, Barry, Port Talbot, Cardiff, Swansea, Milford Haven, Fishguard, Holyhead, and Mostyn? ;)

Yes, plus others. I rather thought the first word in Port Talbot might have been a bit of a giveaway.

Taf 14-11-2013 17:32

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Deputy Prime Minister Mr Clegg told LBC it was right to complain about unacceptable behaviour.

But the best way to deal with it was "talking to each other", he added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24944572

He is more of a dick every day.

Osem 14-11-2013 20:58

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I suggest Clegg puts his money where his mouth is and goes to have a nice little chat with these people, if that's all there is to it. Maybe while he's at it he could show us the way, invite some to set up camp in his neck of the woods and then he can show the rest of us how tolerant we should be towards people who don't seem to be trying that hard to integrate in spite of all the help they're given to do so.


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