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Nidge41 07-11-2013 08:49

Britain on the fiddle, BBC1 last night.
 
Did anyone watch it?

Gary L 07-11-2013 10:20

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No, I didn't watch it.

Nidge41 07-11-2013 11:18

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35641692)
No, I didn't watch it.

All foreigners scamming the system, one Nigerian had a million quid home in Nigeria after rinsing the system for years.

Qtx 07-11-2013 11:34

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Didn't watch it, figured it was another program like saints and sinners, designed to slowly brainwash people in to thinking all benefit claimants are **** of the earth.

tizmeinnit 07-11-2013 11:37

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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35641718)
Didn't watch it, figured it was another program like saints and sinners, designed to slowly brainwash people in to thinking all benefit claimants are **** of the earth.

yeah plenty already under that influence here do not need any more

denphone 07-11-2013 12:04

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I do hope that The BBC will give the same equivilent air time to those subjected to ATOS and DWP investigation where they they subjected to verbal examinations to determine their disability.

Under the ridiculous points system, benefits are withdrawn from rightful recipients, only to have them reinstated by the independent Tribunal some months later. By that time the regulations regarding benefits have removed the possibility of claiming benefits for 6 months.

I appreciate that there are any number of fraudulent recipients of benefits as there are in any walk of life and the book should be thrown at them but there are many on work based benefits and Disabled benefits who are increasingly being demonised as scroungers by large parts of the media and a considerable amount of the public when they are nothing of the sort.

TheDaddy 07-11-2013 13:52

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35641730)
I do hope that The BBC will give the same equivilent air time to those subjected to ATOS and DWP investigation where they they subjected to verbal examinations to determine their disability.

Under the ridiculous points system, benefits are withdrawn from rightful recipients, only to have them reinstated by the independent Tribunal some months later. By that time the regulations regarding benefits have removed the possibility of claiming benefits for 6 months.

I appreciate that there are any number of fraudulent recipients of benefits as there are in any walk of life and the book should be thrown at them but there are many on work based benefits and Disabled benefits who are increasingly being demonised as scroungers by large parts of the media and a considerable amount of the public when they are nothing of the sort.

Personally I'd prefer to see the companies avoiding tax and the powerful people that do the same and the corruption at local government highlighted alongside the dole fiddlers on prime time TV.

RizzyKing 07-11-2013 18:50

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I don't understand how we have become so unbalanced in this country one type of wrongdoing and the proverbial book must be thrown but another few types and we shrug and carry on. No type of fraud is ok and should be punished to the max but there seems to be a massive difference if your at the lower end of the social scale then the top and we call ourselves a developed nation bit of a joke really. I suppose this is what happens when politics becomes so corrupt and professional but doesn't make it right and it would be nice to see all those doing wrong demonised not just a convinient section as it is now.

Nidge41 08-11-2013 07:50

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35641911)
I don't understand how we have become so unbalanced in this country one type of wrongdoing and the proverbial book must be thrown but another few types and we shrug and carry on. No type of fraud is ok and should be punished to the max but there seems to be a massive difference if your at the lower end of the social scale then the top and we call ourselves a developed nation bit of a joke really. I suppose this is what happens when politics becomes so corrupt and professional but doesn't make it right and it would be nice to see all those doing wrong demonised not just a convinient section as it is now.

The biggest fiddlers in this country are the MP's, £150 for a lamp, £600 for curtains, IDS gets £1million a year for his farm, then there's the £10,000 a year the MP's get for their Children.

richard s 08-11-2013 11:09

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35642011)
The biggest fiddlers in this country are the MP's, £150 for a lamp, £600 for curtains, IDS gets £1million a year for his farm, then there's the £10,000 a year the MP's get for their Children.



I read somewhere that they also get an Heating Allowance. Does anyone know something different to this.

RizzyKing 08-11-2013 11:17

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Perhaps we should all get jobs that mainly achieve turning various groups of society against each other it seems to be financially rewarding even though it's morally bankrupt.

Ramrod 08-11-2013 11:33

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35641730)
I do hope that The BBC will give the same equivilent air time to those subjected to ATOS and DWP investigation where they they subjected to verbal examinations to determine their disability.

They already did on R4 last week iirc.

tizmeinnit 08-11-2013 13:14

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35642066)
They already did on R4 last week iirc.

radio 4 vs prime time tv hmmmmm

The unemployed and the sick are a convenient patsy . In 10 to 20 years the state pension will cost the tax payer 100/120 billion doubling what it costs now. With inflation and rates staying the same the ESA and JSA will cost 6 billion each

Is the state pension sustainable ? I know those who have paid NI want it to be and say why should we lose out but be honest with yourselves is it?

As for Britain on the fiddle the biggest crooks in the country are those in power

Nidge41 09-11-2013 08:15

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35642057)
I read somewhere that they also get an Heating Allowance. Does anyone know something different to this.

Forgot to add that, yes they also get a heating allowance for their homes, no wonder they won't lobby the big energy companies to lower their prices.

martyh 09-11-2013 15:13

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35642113)
radio 4 vs prime time tv hmmmmm

The unemployed and the sick are a convenient patsy .

SOME unemployed and SOME of the sick

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Is the state pension sustainable ? I know those who have paid NI want it to be and say why should we lose out but be honest with yourselves is it?
Blimey ,you really got it in for pensioners haven't you .

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35642328)
Forgot to add that, yes they also get a heating allowance for their homes, no wonder they won't lobby the big energy companies to lower their prices.

No they don't ,far too much generalisation .SOME of the out of town living expenses include heating but things are a lot stricter since the expenses are handled by IPSA .MP's are getting a lot less in expenses hence the need for a pay rise

tizmeinnit 09-11-2013 17:21

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35642511)
SOME unemployed and SOME of the sick



Blimey ,you really got it in for pensioners haven't you .

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No they don't ,far too much generalisation .SOME of the out of town living expenses include heating but things are a lot stricter since the expenses are handled by IPSA .MP's are getting a lot less in expenses hence the need for a pay rise

no just trying to get people to realise just how big a bill it is.

Arthurgray50@blu 09-11-2013 20:38

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I didn't watch the prog, l bet it didn't start with MPs who are always on the fiddle. Or the illegals that are ripping off the country.

Or the big money earners that are paying millions into the Tories to get peerages and tax reductions. The programme should have started at the House of Commons and it would probably go to a series, that's where it should have been.

Its just the tip of the icebergs, instead of picking on the sick etc.

Maggy 10-11-2013 00:46

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35642742)
I didn't watch the prog, l bet it didn't start with MPs who are always on the fiddle. Or the illegals that are ripping off the country.

Or the big money earners that are paying millions into the Tories to get peerages and tax reductions. The programme should have started at the House of Commons and it would probably go to a series, that's where it should have been.

Its just the tip of the icebergs, instead of picking on the sick etc.

It actually dealt with those who are ripping off the benefit system and illegals also doing the same.It also pointed out that the numbers doing so are small.However the sums they are getting rich by are not and the authorities are using the law to seize criminal proceeds from those stealing from the taxpayer. A million here and there is a very nice result..:tu:

Gavin78 11-11-2013 10:48

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Wife has just come out of hospital after spending 7 days with with our new baby...partners could get the meals for the wifes if they were busy...to find that they were coming down for the meals then the wifes were going so the husbands were feeding themselves not leaving enough food for the rest of the patients.

Can you guess who was doing it? foreigners, one of them flew in from Nigeria expected to stay the night and kicked off they had to call security to remove him, his wife couldn't speak much english but new what the benfits form was when the bounty women came round with the pack of information.

While what I said only covers a small area the fiddle is on everywhere

Arthurgray50@blu 11-11-2013 11:50

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My belief is that if anyone comes into the country, they should be checked at the border.

When they enter the country - they should be banned from getting anything from this country for FIVE, and then if they can declare they are paying into the country, then they should be allowed the pleasures that we get.

Stuart 11-11-2013 14:09

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35642742)
I didn't watch the prog, l bet it didn't start with MPs who are always on the fiddle. Or the illegals that are ripping off the country.

Or the big money earners that are paying millions into the Tories to get peerages and tax reductions. The programme should have started at the House of Commons and it would probably go to a series, that's where it should have been.

Its just the tip of the icebergs, instead of picking on the sick etc.

I'd just like to point out at this time that Panorama have made programmes detailing exactly which MPs have been fiddling expenses (IIRC the Telegraph's original expose was researched in association with Panorama), and they've recently shown a programme on the tax avoidance schemes used by large companies.

Osem 11-11-2013 19:49

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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35643444)
Wife has just come out of hospital after spending 7 days with with our new baby...partners could get the meals for the wifes if they were busy...to find that they were coming down for the meals then the wifes were going so the husbands were feeding themselves not leaving enough food for the rest of the patients.

Can you guess who was doing it? foreigners, one of them flew in from Nigeria expected to stay the night and kicked off they had to call security to remove him, his wife couldn't speak much english but new what the benfits form was when the bounty women came round with the pack of information.

While what I said only covers a small area the fiddle is on everywhere

Doesn't surprise me. English is Nigeria's official language and in my experience most Nigerians speak very good English although they might not choose to admit it at times...

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35643620)
I'd just like to point out at this time that Panorama have made programmes detailing exactly which MPs have been fiddling expenses (IIRC the Telegraph's original expose was researched in association with Panorama), and they've recently shown a programme on the tax avoidance schemes used by large companies.

Facts like those routinely pass Arthur by. Still they say ignorance is bliss don't they...


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