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Arthurgray50@blu 03-11-2013 10:38
Why pay them wages ?
 
http://news.sky.com/story/1163154/mp...r-energy-bills

This has to be an April fools joke.

If MPs get this extra benefit, why pay them wages, we already hear that they claim for Newspapers, TV, flights etc.

When is it going to end. They all get a good wage, and do other jobs so why can they get away with expenses for anything else.

papa smurf 03-11-2013 11:50
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what this country needs is a revolution lead by a ruthless dictator ,who will put the whole lot of em up against the wall

and then promptly resign and hand the country back to the democratic process minus the crooked spongers that call themselves mp's ;)

Mr Banana 03-11-2013 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35640223)
http://news.sky.com/story/1163154/mp...r-energy-bills

This has to be an April fools joke.

If MPs get this extra benefit, why pay them wages, we already hear that they claim for Newspapers, TV, flights etc.

When is it going to end. They all get a good wage, and do other jobs so why can they get away with expenses for anything else.
Are you aware that there are loads of Labour MPs on the list as well

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-bills-2671685

Arthurgray50@blu 03-11-2013 11:58
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Top Banana, Yes, but it still does not make sense.

If MPs can claim expenses for everything, then WHY pay them wages. Wasn't it last year that an MP claimed so much money on expenses to watch a porn channel.

tizmeinnit 03-11-2013 12:18
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it extracts the urine. There is an us and them society in this country the poor get poorer the rich get richer and those in the middle blame the poor weak and unemployed for the state of the society

Russ 03-11-2013 12:21
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35640238)
Top Banana, Yes, but it still does not make sense.

If MPs can claim expenses for everything, then WHY pay them wages. Wasn't it last year that an MP claimed so much money on expenses to watch a porn channel.
Be grateful he didn't include a claim for a pack of tissues.

blackthorn 03-11-2013 12:26
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I heard on the radio the other day that they also have their tv licenses paid for as well.

Gary L 03-11-2013 13:35
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35640233)
what this country needs is a revolution lead by a ruthless dictator ,who will put the whole lot of em up against the wall

and then promptly resign and hand the country back to the democratic process minus the crooked spongers that call themselves mp's ;)
That day is coming soon comrade!!

Qtx 03-11-2013 14:09
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35640233)
what this country needs is a revolution
We are hearing the word revolution more and more now, it could be the start of something good. Hats off to Russel Brand for helping get the word etched in to the minds of more people!

Nearly all the politicians are living comfortably enough to not need to claim all these expenses at a cost to the tax payer. Greedy pigs.

nomadking 03-11-2013 14:15
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35640271)
We are hearing the word revolution more and more now, it could be the start of something good. Hats off to Russel Brand for helping get the word etched in to the minds of more people!

Nearly all the politicians are living comfortably enough to not need to claim all these expenses at a cost to the tax payer. Greedy pigs.
So only millionaires should be able to become MPs?

Taf 03-11-2013 14:45
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I wonder if MPs' salaries and perks should be Means Tested?

solitaire 03-11-2013 15:03
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I am not surprised by this. The fact is that most of them, given the chance to claim expenses for anything big or small, will do just that. I really think it will never change. :mad:

nomadking 03-11-2013 15:06
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35640275)
Well I'd turn it on its head and say why pay any expenses given that they've so shamelessly exploited the flaws in the system to enrich themselves?

So a basic salary, no perks, no expenses, no subsidised canteens and bars. In other words live like the people you are supposed to represent.
You mean the ones who DO get paid expenses, DO have subsided canteens, and STILL expect a salary regardless of how wealthy or not, they may be.

Arthurgray50@blu 03-11-2013 15:07
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When l worked at The Commons as a sub contractor. I saw what type of grub and drink they have, and l can assure you its not something you would buy from Tesco's or Morrisons.

I worked for a top notch company and l always saw the stuff and it made me sick that they are allowed this stuff.

Fortnum and Masons, Harrods, you name it thats where it came from. If MPs don't like it, it take thrown out out.

If anyone drives round London, go down Pall Mall, and you will see all the toffs coming out of the private clubs boozed up to the eyeballs.

They don't deserve wages, if everything is paid by us.

Mick Fisher 03-11-2013 15:24
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We could get rid of half of them. That would cut the trough bill in half for a start.

Taf 03-11-2013 17:19
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The Welsh assembly (spit) is demanding a doubling of their numbers as they "work too hard". That will mean more seats on the gravy train.

SMG 03-11-2013 22:33
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35640271)
We are hearing the word revolution more and more now, it could be the start of something good. Hats off to Russel Brand for helping get the word etched in to the minds of more people!

Nearly all the politicians are living comfortably enough to not need to claim all these expenses at a cost to the tax payer. Greedy pigs.

There are a few "Underground" sites that discuss & predict civil war. I`m in total agreement, but its late in the day now for action.

tizmeinnit 03-11-2013 22:42
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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 35640414)
There are a few "Underground" sites that discuss & predict civil war. I`m in total agreement, but its late in the day now for action.

There will never be a revolution. The army would never back it no other nation would ever support it plus the brits never really protest well either

TheDaddy 03-11-2013 23:11
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35640415)
There will never be a revolution. The army would never back it no other nation would ever support it plus the brits never really protest well either
Do it in the week when the army is at their other jobs then. People can only be pushed so far, I know for a fact if there are more riots I won't be working those nights no matter how much I'm offered.

Qtx 04-11-2013 05:02
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35640419)
Do it in the week when the army is at their other jobs then.
:D

Million Mask March is the thing for Tuesday around the world and is being covered by the RT news channel. Doubt it will raise a blip on the other channels but you never know. The occupy movements started out small but over time got enough press and got more thinking about the 99% vs 1% figure. Maybe the anonymous/Vendetta masks will grow in numbers and be a spark for more action to change.

martyh 04-11-2013 07:58
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35640238)
Top Banana, Yes, but it still does not make sense.

If MPs can claim expenses for everything, then WHY pay them wages. Wasn't it last year that an MP claimed so much money on expenses to watch a porn channel.
your making stuff up again Arthur ,MP's don't claim expenses for everything and they certainly don't get expenses for watching porn .Go here to see exactly what they do get

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk...d92d&NewsId=57

Osem 04-11-2013 08:30
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35640452)
your making stuff up again Arthur ,MP's don't claim expenses for everything and they certainly don't get expenses for watching porn .Go here to see exactly what they do get

http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk...d92d&NewsId=57

They have been known to try, however, as former Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith knows only too well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12535038

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Jacqui Smith has revealed she felt "frozen rather than angry" when told her husband had entered a parliamentary expenses claim for pornographic films...

... Ms Smith said she had not gone "through the expense form closely enough...
Thanks to Arthur for giving me the opportunity to remind everyone... :D

martyh 04-11-2013 08:40
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35640457)
They have been know to try, however, as former Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith knows only too well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12535038



Thanks to Arthur for giving me the opportunity to remind everyone... :D
yep, there are still some that try to get away with it but thankfully a more transparent system means the voters can check exactly what they are claiming for ,it should also be said that claiming for something doesn't mean they will get it

tizmeinnit 04-11-2013 08:50
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35640460)
yep, there are still some that try to get away with it but thankfully a more transparent system means the voters can check exactly what they are claiming for ,it should also be said that claiming for something doesn't mean they will get it
but it does show the character of those in power

Osem 04-11-2013 08:54
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35640460)
yep, there are still some that try to get away with it but thankfully a more transparent system means the voters can check exactly what they are claiming for ,it should also be said that claiming for something doesn't mean they will get it
Yes, it'd be interesting to know that they'd have done had the claim gone through successfully and Ms Smith has subsequently discovered the mistake.

Stuart 04-11-2013 09:27
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Personally, I have no problem with expenses. If they are needed. The trouble is, most of the expenses claims we have seen from MPs are arguably not needed.

Why should we be paying one MP to heat his estate? Why should we be subsidising their meals so heavily? Why should we be helping them with their rent/mortgages?

Yes, MPs are sometimes required to work late. Fair enough. So are Doctors. So are Nurses. Yet, they don't get heavily subsidised second homes. They don't get heavily subsidised quality meals. They (in my experience) get the same sort of food you get at BHS for slightly more than you pay at BHS.

I believe that the government has been actively encouraging trusts to sell off the on-site accommodation that used to be available to Nurses, doctors and (in some cases) other hospital staff.

Yet, in the event of a major accident or emergency, these people would be expected to be available and in work within a few minutes. Everyone from the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff through to the medical and surgical staff can be called in with little notice. I know people don't think about the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff, but even in a major emergency, the hospital needs to be kept clean, the equipment may need repair and the staff and patients need feeding.

MPs seem to believe they need second homes more than the aforementioned hospital staff, yet how many times does Parliament sit in the evening or at night?

Take my local MP. She claimed for a second home near parliament. Why? Is her constituency hundreds of miles from Parliament. No. It's 15 miles. Should she have ever been required to stay late for a session, she could have been driven back to the constituency in less than 40 minutes. I know, I've done the opposite journey on many an occasion.

Wish I got the expenses they do. Unfortunately, working in the public sector, all I get is either 30p a mile, or my fare by the cheapest route (this is checked) paid and some money toward one meal. This is IF I am called to work off campus for whatever reason. If I am working on campus (even if it's after hours) I am expected to do it as part of my job, even if it's out of hours.

tizmeinnit 04-11-2013 09:32
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35640491)
Personally, I have no problem with expenses. If they are needed. The trouble is, most of the expenses claims we have seen from MPs are arguably not needed.

Why should we be paying one MP to heat his estate? Why should we be subsidising their meals so heavily? Why should we be helping them with their rent/mortgages?

Yes, MPs are sometimes required to work late. Fair enough. So are Doctors. So are Nurses. Yet, they don't get heavily subsidised second homes. They don't get heavily subsidised quality meals. They (in my experience) get the same sort of food you get at BHS for slightly more than you pay at BHS.

I believe that the government has been actively encouraging trusts to sell off the on-site accommodation that used to be available to Nurses, doctors and (in some cases) other hospital staff.

Yet, in the event of a major accident or emergency, these people would be expected to be available and in work within a few minutes. Everyone from the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff through to the medical and surgical staff can be called in with little notice. I know people don't think about the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff, but even in a major emergency, the hospital needs to be kept clean, the equipment may need repair and the staff and patients need feeding.

MPs seem to believe they need second homes more than the aforementioned hospital staff, yet how many times does Parliament sit in the evening or at night?

Take my local MP. She claimed for a second home near parliament. Why? Is her constituency hundreds of miles from Parliament. No. It's 15 miles. Should she have ever been required to stay late for a session, she could have been driven back to the constituency in less than 40 minutes. I know, I've done the opposite journey on many an occasion.

Wish I got the expenses they do. Unfortunately, working in the public sector, all I get is either 30p a mile, or my fare by the cheapest route (this is checked) paid and some money toward one meal. This is IF I am called to work off campus for whatever reason. If I am working on campus (even if it's after hours) I am expected to do it as part of my job, even if it's out of hours.
Agree with all of that it is shameful specially in light of the 11% increase in wages they are getting as well

Osem 04-11-2013 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35640491)
Personally, I have no problem with expenses. If they are needed. The trouble is, most of the expenses claims we have seen from MPs are arguably not needed.

Why should we be paying one MP to heat his estate? Why should we be subsidising their meals so heavily? Why should we be helping them with their rent/mortgages?

Yes, MPs are sometimes required to work late. Fair enough. So are Doctors. So are Nurses. Yet, they don't get heavily subsidised second homes. They don't get heavily subsidised quality meals. They (in my experience) get the same sort of food you get at BHS for slightly more than you pay at BHS.

I believe that the government has been actively encouraging trusts to sell off the on-site accommodation that used to be available to Nurses, doctors and (in some cases) other hospital staff.

Yet, in the event of a major accident or emergency, these people would be expected to be available and in work within a few minutes. Everyone from the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff through to the medical and surgical staff can be called in with little notice. I know people don't think about the cleaning, maintenance and catering staff, but even in a major emergency, the hospital needs to be kept clean, the equipment may need repair and the staff and patients need feeding.

MPs seem to believe they need second homes more than the aforementioned hospital staff, yet how many times does Parliament sit in the evening or at night?

Take my local MP. She claimed for a second home near parliament. Why? Is her constituency hundreds of miles from Parliament. No. It's 15 miles. Should she have ever been required to stay late for a session, she could have been driven back to the constituency in less than 40 minutes. I know, I've done the opposite journey on many an occasion.

Wish I got the expenses they do. Unfortunately, working in the public sector, all I get is either 30p a mile, or my fare by the cheapest route (this is checked) paid and some money toward one meal. This is IF I am called to work off campus for whatever reason. If I am working on campus (even if it's after hours) I am expected to do it as part of my job, even if it's out of hours.
Blimey I used to get 12p a mile back in 1985 and felt hard done by...

Hom3r 04-11-2013 17:34
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This is the solution, build/obtain a hotel near Parliament, and every MP is given a room, and they are not paid for a 2nd home.

The hotel would include a restaurant(s) and rooms for each of the main parties to have private meetings, this would save us a shed load of cash.

Mick Fisher 04-11-2013 17:47
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35640758)
This is the solution, build/obtain a hotel near Parliament, and every MP is given a room, and they are not paid for a 2nd home.

The hotel would include a restaurant(s) and rooms for each of the main parties to have private meetings, this would save us a shed load of cash.
Thats common sense, they will never go for it. :D

tizmeinnit 04-11-2013 18:38
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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35640764)
Thats common sense, they will never go for it. :D
there is room for a fair number of bedsits inside the commons no need to build just partition lol

Hugh 04-11-2013 18:52
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Actually, there isn't - that's why they had to build Portcullis House for overflow offices, as well as offices in Millbank and Parliament Street.

tizmeinnit 04-11-2013 18:54
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35640816)
Actually, there isn't - that's why they had to build Portcullis House for overflow offices, as well as offices in Millbank and Parliament Street.
bunks in the offices then lol

just did a google search for virtual tour of the house of commons and the first link shows the chamber. I think the lack of space comes from poor utilisation of the area lol

Hugh 04-11-2013 19:05
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"Bunks in the office lol" - in the hundreds, if not thousands of nights I spent away on business, did I ever expect to sleep in the office....

Re 'poor utilisation of space' - it could be the listed building status that prevents putting up of partition walls.....

tizmeinnit 04-11-2013 19:06
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35640825)
Or it could be the listed building status that prevents putting up or partition walls.....
It could be aye

You do know what lol means after posts do you not?.............................................. .................................................. .............................

Hugh 04-11-2013 19:07
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Yes, it usually means someone is trying (and failing) to be amusing...........

Stuart 04-11-2013 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35640569)
Blimey I used to get 12p a mile back in 1985 and felt hard done by...
Thankfully, I don't have to travel much.

I think the main thing that winds me up is simply that people see what top civil servants and MPs are given in terms of wages and expenses and assume ALL government employees are like that. Really. They aren't.

Osem 04-11-2013 19:41
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35640833)
Thankfully, I don't have to travel much.

I think the main thing that winds me up is simply that people see what top civil servants and MPs are given in terms of wages and expenses and assume ALL government employees are like that. Really. They aren't.
I can imagine. It's the same sort of flawed reasoning that leads to the labelling of all Tories as toffs, all police as corrupt, all public sector workers as lazy, etc. etc.

TheDaddy 05-11-2013 06:27
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35640819)
bunks in the offices then lol

just did a google search for virtual tour of the house of commons and the first link shows the chamber. I think the lack of space comes from poor utilisation of the area lol
As opposed to bunk ups in the office

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...computers.html

tizmeinnit 05-11-2013 09:05
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35640915)
As opposed to bunk ups in the office

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...computers.html
and that is just Boris lmao


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