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Went to the main QE hospital in Brum earlier. the amount of foreigners there was unbelievable.

they're not visiting people. they're there to get the free treatment.

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How do you know the treatment was free? Were they wearing their "I've never worked and paid tax in the UK in my life" signs?

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Yes.

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And you were wearing your sign saying "I'm an ignorant bigot" then.

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Yes.

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I am totally against the EU freedom of movement act as I am sure everyone knows. I am also against the way EU member nations are somehow entitled to the same medical treatment as the nation you are visiting. This is very very biased against the UK. They come here get elective surgery etc we go there and get a bandaid and a big bill

I do not care if the likes of Russ calls me names as I am sure Gary does not either.

When it comes to this and Islam I am proud to be a bigot !!!!!

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Reminds me of my previous GP surgery. If you had an appointment the day they had the mums+babies surgery too, literally all the women were polish.

Easy to tell as they speak Polish to each other and the ones that didn't had their name come up on the sign as something like xxx Kowalski.

On a normal day at the surgery it was obvious that most of the people waiting were not born in the UK. Even while waiting, all the people I saw talking at reception attempting to sign up with the surgery were foreign with many of them having very poor english.

Some will deny this is the case though and throw out the race and bigot card :rolleyes:

I have since moved to another area, a mere 20 miles or so away and it is a completely different story. I have never seen anyone in the new GP surgery who is not white British. Where as white British were the minority where I lived before, I rarely see 'foreigners' now. I might only see one black person for every 500 white people I see. It is now out of the ordinary to hear someone speaking another language (except when the builders are working on the high street and speaking polish).

If this difference can happen in 20 miles, it is easy to see how many people people are cocooned and don't understand how bad the problem is, as they don't see it themselves.

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Russ, to be fair, if they look like , lets say eastern europeans, and are speaking Romanian/Russian/Latvian etc. then they are unlikely to have paid their fair share of NI/tax (if any) to cover the treatment. :shrug:

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Me too. I just look at the do gooders as a social worker that defends the man that beats his wife up.
it's time this country sorted itself out.

if it makes you a bigot. then be a proud bigot.

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Kinda like that statement I will have to steal it

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:confused:
Even those working, how many of them are "taking" the Tax/NI from UK nationals would have been paying if those non-UK nationals weren't here?

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Ok.
I'll think up some more you may like later too ;)

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We don't know that. All we know is that they apparently look foreign which is good enough for Gary to decide they shouldn't have treatment.

For the narrow minded - I've not said 'health tourism' doesn't exist. That's not what my comments were about.

And of course no thread moaning about "them coming over here" and "getting benefits" should ever fail to bring Islam in to the discussion :rolleyes:

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Sorry, can you re-word that question as I can't understand what you are asking......

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If I said they were all black you'd say how do you know some of them haven't got masks on.

If I said they were all dropped off in a big truck that said "Immigrants transport from the border to the hospital" written on the side. you'd say how do you know it wasn't a joke.

The problem is there. it's going to get worse. it needs sorting.

all we have to do is ignore the do gooders and we can sort it.

can we count on you, Russ?

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My point there is that it's really easy to tell if someone isn't a UK national/not long 'off the boat'
When I lived in central London I coud easily spot tourists & foreigners and usually accurately tell where they were from. That was in the 80's and I play the same game at car boot sales these days.
Leading on from this, it is easy to tell if a group of people in a hospital A&E are 'not from round ere' and hence it's a reasonable assumption that they have not paid much or any money into the system.

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well you are hardly the example with your name calling are you

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They say ignorance is bliss and you take it to whole new dimensions.

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Is it equally easy to tell whether or not someone has paid tax and NI?

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The ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black. Well done - back of the net, top corner.

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I couldn't even determine whether they drove there or owned a goldfish and a tortoise.

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A UK national could be doing that job and paying the Tax/NI that the non UK national is paying. IE it is not new additional income for the country, it is just replacing who is the "payer". That is before you consider the benefits paid out to the UK national who is instead unemployed. There may be additional GDP generated simply because there is extra demand for things like food etc. Then you also have to factor in the money sent back to the "home" country. Economic activity relies on money passing from A to B to C and so on within the country. As soon as it moves out of the country, even on buying imported items, it is lost to this country and has a bigger negative effect than the amount involved. All in all the financial "benefits" of immigration are wildly exaggerated.

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I am not admin or mod here you are

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The day either of those determine whether someone is entitled to NHS treatment is the day you'll stop publicly embarrassing yourself.

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Good to see you haven't forgotten that. Although it makes no difference to whether or not someone blindly makes ignorant and arrogant assumptions based purely on first appearance.

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I'm just saying that it's hard to find the things that people put in the way of the problem.

if you tell me how to ask "Have you paid Tax/NI" then I can put it on one of my boards and go back down there tomorrow. and present you the facts.

I'll also need to know how to say "Yes and No"

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lol there you are using that word arrogant again Russ ;)

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No, the problem is when you base your assumption that they're not entitled to 'free' treatment' because they apparently look foreign, as if that makes any difference. Don't worry I'm fully aware you only started this thread as pseudo humour but still, interesting points have emerged as a result.

If they only just arrived in the UK for treatment and intent to leave without paying for it (which happens a LOT) then that's a massive problem and I'm with you on that. But that's not what you're saying.

How do you know they haven't been living here all their working lives and paid in to the NHS? The argument that how long they've been hear means they're unlikely to have contributed enough falls flat on it's face if you think of an 18 year old having his first pay packet then needing emergency treatment - has he paid in enough?

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Yes, you present me with so many opportunities.

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Seriously, go back and read this thread again. You know what they say about those in glass houses.

I posted match the OP's, hell even my old next door neighbour who came here from Jamaica in the 60's or 70's says there is too many immigrants now and also complained about NHS tourists (among other things)

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well as I have said before I remember my very first impression of you ;) I on the other hand have openly admitted it on these very forums :)
Oh and everything was great while I was helping you out privately and sending you stuff through the post ;)

And it was you who talked me into applying to be a mod which totally ruined this place for me

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Yes and I agree with both of those.

More lies.

I suggest you get back on topic now.

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Equally, ex-pats could use our hospitals. I have a cousin who (for tax reasons) only stays in the UK for 90 days a year. He does not pay any tax (although his wife and baby son are UK residents, so she, at least, does). If he should fall ill during a stay here, there is nothing legally wrong with him doing so. He is, after all, still English.

Yet, morally, he would have less right to do so than a woman who came over from India and within a few days, got a low paid job in Sainsburys.

My point is that just because someone is not White and British does not mean they don't pay their way, anymore than someone being White and British does mean they pay their way.

Now, Gary, looking around, can you honestly tell me who is paying their taxes and NI?

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but these figures from what I can make out will not include EU state members as they are entitled I believe to the NHS due to EU regs?


and these figures do not include those who are working here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...migration.html

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Just to add, when you have lived in a city like London for years you notice new waves of arrivals and get to know their appearance and can also make an incormed guess as to how long they have been in the country based on this and many over visual clues such as mannerisms or indeed the way they talk. If you live out in the countryside though, you probably couldn't tell the difference between an Egyptian and Nigerian yet alone between an Iranian and an Afgan or Indian and Shri lanken. A Londoner would find it hard to explain to the country folk how they can tell the difference visually, but they can. Some white Polish women are easy for me to identify even if they are the other side of the street as they have uniquely Polish look, although only about 1 in 10 are that distinctive. Often the shaved head of the polish men and their look on top makes the guess easier although the men usually have thicker accents and not so good english too.

You can't be be 100% on nationality and time spent in the country but you can have a very good idea if you have lived in the right places. Even if you can't identify the nationality you can likely guess if they have come to the uk in the last 5 years, 10 or 20 years.

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Does this skill extend to knowing how much tax they pay?

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or how much they are taking out of the economy by sending money home

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Indeed. After all, it shouldn't really matter what colour they are or where they come from as long as the treatment is paid for directly by the patient, via Medical insurance or through the patient's taxes.

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But EU members do not have to pay

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Last month I had the 1st of 2 operations to have a large mole removed from the back of my head. The 2nd will be in a few months. I'm having on-going treatment for my ADHD. In my teens I had treatment for a road injury and through wrestling and running I've needed to see my GP (and occasionally go to hospital) for various injuries.

If the total cost of my health care was added up I'd say it's highly unlikely I've paid enough tax in 22 years to cover the overall cost.

It makes no difference what someone's skin colour is, which religion they follow or how long they've been in the country for. If they're working legally and paying tax then they are entitled to NHS treatment, end of.

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From the EHIC site

this is massively biased against the UK. Very few EU states have a NHS ( if any I do not know) so basically EU members who can travel here at will can come here and leech our NHS then either go home or whatever. We as I said can not get the same level as we have here and have to rely on what health service the nation offers

This along with the freedom of movement act is one of the main reasons I want out of the EU

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While less are identifiable in that respect, you can be sure in many cases that they are or not working or paying taxes. While far from foolproof you can tell a lot by clothes but that along with their nationality look and where you see them and when and who they are with, along with the experience of living in London.

Just as a bleeding obvious example, if you see a short old indian looking lady at the hospital and she has a spot on her head (sikh), 99% chance that she has paid no tax/ni. You can also tell without her opening her mouth that she speaks no English whatsoever. She will be accompanied at the hospital by 2 or more younger relatives who will support and translate for her. Those relatives would be paying tax and ni.

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As I said, if they haven't been here long (as inferred by their dress and appearance) then they obviously can't have paid much (or possibly any) :shrug:

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Agree completely :tu:

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I agree, if they are paying tax's in this country they should be entitled to it. We do have a problem where immigration is causing more stress on the NHS and extending waiting times though. So it's not that simple either.

The ADHD treatment alone is expensive but the pharmaceutical business is another argument altogether which needs looking at. Hardly had any hospital treatment or medications before but had almost a full body MRI at the weekend and the ADHD diagnosis last year means I am making use of all those NI payments now. Knowing that some people come to the UK for free treatment then go back home to India for example (where treatment is expensive) without paying NI, does annoy me. I know people personally who do this.

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Oh dear not another thread where some are voicing their prejudices and bigotness again.:rolleyes:

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Just like white British chavs who have never earned a penny then?

Just like a white British 18 year old fresh out of college then?

It's well known that this occurs but that's not what this is about. It's about people being (or rather, looking) 'foreign' therefore apparently not being entitled to free treatment.

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Welcome to Cable Forum.

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I know from personal experience how another EU country works for health: France.

You pay for all treatment, medication, even bandages and "special" food and drink.

They also charge you for sundries such as a TV/ radio/phone in your room.

You then have to claim it back from your "Mutuelle" insurance. For some things you get 100% back, for others only a small percentage.

Offer up a EHIC as a UK citizen, you have to pay E21 to see a doctor, E25 to see a specialist, you must pay for the ambulance, but you don't usually pay for emergency medicine or treatment.

E18 a day for outpatients and E18 a day for inpatients, plus 20% co-payment towards your treatment. But if the doctor or hospital is not a state healthcare provider (conventionné) you will not be able to claim ANYTHING back.

Plus if the hospital is "conventionne" but "secteur 2", they will not reimburse the extra that level 2's charge.

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and the French can come here and get it all FREE

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the basement is very busy the forum would be pretty quiet and boring for those not looking for advice or giving advice without it

As far as I am concerned it could be closed tomorrow and then be just a tech forum and I would not miss it

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how do you know they were foreigners? you are an ignorant fool for assuming that.

So because someone speaks another language they haven't paid their fair share, my friend is Russian he's been here 14 years, I speak Russian too and we speak it outdoors all the time, although I am not eastern european, we should not make this assumption up about people.

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Skin colour I'm guessing.

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You insinuated that it is not possible to tell if someone is foreign and getting free healthcare without paying in. Through my posts I have explained how in many cases it is possible and thus how the OP could be correct in their assumptions.

You can move the goalposts and make other arguments about other people but asking me rhetoric questions about something I don't really feel that strongly about one way or the other doesn't change the explanation I gave. You obviously have a very strong opinion on this due to your other half not being from the UK, but I wonder if you would have felt differently about the situation otherwise. Not that you would admit it if you would have ;)

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We all know that economic migrants from Eastern Europe walk around in a a tracksuit bottom/faux leather jacket combo and sporting a permanent five-o-clock shadow (even the women). They also smell of that dodgy Polish beer from B&M bargains and queue at the fast lane checkout in ASDA with two trolley loads of shopping.

Looks like Johnny Foreigner? Must be Johnny Foreigner.

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It is not about skin colour for me its about EU members specially eastern Europeans extracting the urine and illegal immigrants and those who abuse the asylum rules

You may think I am racist you may not but my little nephew CJ is half English half Kenyan and I love him to bits

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Correction: she was born in Leicester. You know what they say about assumptions right?

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With all the explanations given so far you are still throwing out that line? No point discussing this any more... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Well we have yet to be told how we know they were 'foreigners'.

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It wasn't an assumption, I am sure you posted something before about this. If I misunderstood it was a simple mistake. How about the rest of what I wrote, you seem to cherry picking the single lines you think you can argue with and ignoring the rest which shows you are wrong.

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Find it amusing how this thread has become about the race of people and totally blanking the strain on the NHS none brits have

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could always be a wolf in sheeps clothing lol

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You have been told how it is possible for those living in major towns, especially London, know how to tell. They can't tell with everyone but when they know someone is foreign or recently arrived, they know.

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Its laughable for him to assume that because they have a different skin colour that they must come from abroad as l myself have a darker complexion and l am English/British.

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You was told earlier. when you diverted the topic to were they wearing their "I've never worked and paid tax in the UK in my life" signs?

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Read the thread, it's nothing about skin colour. Russ is just being stupid with that comment about skin colour.

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You 2 are doing that jumping to conclusions thing again. where you jump to a conclusion that has to be right because you said it, and accuse the other person for making a conclusion which has to be wrong because he said it :)

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exactly at no point has anyone except Russ mentioned it. I think he expects prejudice and because of his GF he is constantly on the defensive

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Russ is a magician. he makes things there, that weren't there before :)

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im not a racist but i remember questioning a question i was once asked when i was attending the hospital and the answer i was given.

I was asked if i was a UK Citizen or an EU Citizen, and i asked if i was a UK Citizen would that mean i would get a better level of treatment and not wait aslong.

The Nurse who i have known since the age of 7 looked at me and winked with a grin on her face and said u know i cant answer that but i knew exactly what she meant.

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I'm not a racist either, but I think they just like doing statistics :)

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No, I wouldn't have posted that she wasn't born in the UK when she actually was.

None of it makes any difference to what is going on here.

My OH (born here, paid tax all her working life, now studying law to be a UK-practising solicitor) often speaks Gujarati in public to her sister (born here, paid tax all her working life, now a UK-serving police officer). Obviously both look Indian (parents moved here and worked all their lives).

If they were seen speaking their language at a hospital I'm guessing you (and indeed Gary) would have no idea how long they'd been in the country for.

We've been told something, it doesn't mean the 'something' is right.


No, it's how Gary determind they were foreign.


I expect prejudice because how often the same people demonstrate it.

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You still don't get it. It's not just skin colour and language. You are using your OH to try and argue that the OP could not tell that someone else was a foreigner, which is a false argument.

It would be easy to tell that your OH had not recently entered the country even if speaking another language. How she looks (such as clothes and hair) and the younger age would be part of how someone would know but again, it's experience and you will know.

Let me say that there are probably many in London who notice things about people less, or are less intelligent, and thus are not able to tell the difference between people. It sounds like you have encountered someone like this and assumed everyone in the same, in a kind of bigoted way....kinda ironic.

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That's very true about Asian women. it's so easy to tell whether they're 'new' or not.
they just look like any other woman that isn't new.
you can tell by their body language, behaviour. everything.

which messes it all up really because they've got this brown skin that Russ is banging on about now.

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No, it's an apt argument. Neither you or gary would be able to tell with any certainty how long the people he saw at the hospital or my OH had been in the country for. Clothing might give someone an indication but nothing that would guarantee any certainty.

So those new to the country only dress a certain way, speaking a certain way and are of a certain age bracket? You're making this up as you go along aren't you?

And I'm equally sure there are many people in London capable of a lucky guess as to whether or not someone is entitled to free NHS treatment but quietly ignores the times they may have got it wrong (which of course never happens because of this mystical 6th sense).

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:banghead:

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don't worry about it dude :)

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OK granted they are different but your chances of being right about either are exactly the same - somewhere near 'pretty low'.

No, it's because neither of us can. The difference is I'm not delusional about this 6th sense. If it was true then I'm sure more of you would be employed at Immigration where your special powers could be put to better use.

I know what has been said. It has also been said David Moyes will do well at Man United, that Labour didn't ruin this country's economy, that Ed Sheeran isn't an annoying *insert insult of choice*.

Doesn't mean any of it is right. In fact none of it is.

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Perhaps all UK Citizens should either hold a Passport or Identity Card to prove their eligibility for State Benefits or NHS Treatment. Immigrants from the EU should only be entitled to the level of State Benefits or Health Treatment they would receive in their own country. For the rest of the world they must hold Health insurance and for eligibility for State Benefits, nothing. Unless they have been granted full asylum.

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Well I would rather we leave the EU and EU citizens are then entitled to nothing

Rest of the world I agree and to gain asylum they have to have traveled here directly from their home nation otherwise they break asylum rules and should get deported

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That's not a bad idea but each time this subject is in the news doctors always seem to say it's their job to preserve life, not make judgement calls on eligibility or immigration status.

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If only doctors everywhere else thought the same

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:erm:

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Agreed too many travel through many countries that can offer asylum but strangely they want to come here, curious when there's so much unemployment in the UK.

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A&E is a different kettle of fish. Anyone in a life or death situation should get help without worry of immigration status.

Desk staff are the ones who should be checking immigration status for other hospital or GP treatment, not GP's.

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The hospital check my status each and every time I go, you'd think they'd know by now mind you. But it's only questions so I could lie.

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Ok if it makes you feel better about yourself I'll agree that some people can tell when others haven't been in the country long (even if in that time they pay tax) although it is utter bobbins.

It's called "just because you say something is true does not make it a fact". You're not called Graham and sell adult sex toys/equipment by any chance? He used to declare his opinions were 'fact' too.

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Perhaps they should remember who is paying their salary and if the rules say they have to do it then they can always go private and not rely upon the very generous salary and pension they get from the NHS.

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Simply because the others
don't want them.
won't give them free money.
won't give them free health care.

but they may give them a car. I'm not sure.

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I think what they mean is they studied for 7+ in medicine, not immigration criteria.

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They should be made to pay end of. If we went to Poland we'd have to pay for healthcare.

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Which brings me back to post 74

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And that would take me back to my original reply. I'm not saying I think it's right but doctors do have a point when they say it's not their job to do part of the immigration service's work. Whether the patients are dealt with by a receptionist or not, the doctors are responsible for the running of the practice.

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That's not strictly true because if you go over there to live but do not work or claim any UK benefits then you can apply for an E106 which entitles you for up to 30 months of free healthcare courtesy of Her Maj.

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Why not scan them on a lantern? That way they can tell if they're allowed healthcare.

There's a doctors round here that you can't get into because it's packed with migrants, it takes you 2 weeks to get into see a doctor.

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Does it work and will they accept them??? Many hospitals are refusing to take them.

My mother has just come back from Spain, she needed to see a doctor about a ankle injury, she produced her E106 card, he shook his head and said I'm sorry I can't accept that.

It's a good job she had her Medical insurance to fall back on.

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D'oh :D

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Providing you visit a practice or doctor who works under the National Health Fund programme yes.

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It's a pity a 73 year old can't navigate the internet while she's out there.

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Well fortunately, in Poland there's far more chance that someone will help you because unlike Spain the country is not an administrative shambles.

There's also a telephone number you can call where you can find out everything you need to know (in English if you wish).

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Come on, there has to be SOME reason why they're all coming over here, taking our jobs etc

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Because were soft.
we discriminate our own to fund them.
the police are soft.
punishments are slack.
we give them rights.
the list is endless.

even I'd move here.

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My my you are a very unhappy bunny today as usually you are only moaning about one thing at a time.:)

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I'm not moaning.

I'm just answering Russ :)

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:clap:

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Hmm I'd say the weather and the beautiful women.