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I've always wondered why schools dont have 'drivers ed' ?

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Graduated learning? Excellent idea.

Why it's not been done before now astounds me.

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I'm pretty sure we'll see more scooters or Aixam Coupe S cars on the road if this happens

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I think the size of the engine should be limited during the first 2 years of passing a test.This should also have the effect of lowering premiums for young drivers

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Sounds like a good idea seeing the amount of young boy racers I see risking their lives zooming down the streets.

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It needs putting up to 21.

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I've been saying the same for ages, they should be limited to a 1.0 litre for 1 year then a 1.4 for another year and so on.

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I had a young pimp tonight in a VW golf pull up at the side of me, now I've got a VW Passat 6 speed auto with a DSG gearbox with the paddles near the steering wheel. When we pulled off I let him go a little then I just went through the motions and let the car do the rest.:D:D:D

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So instead of a 17 year old boy racer (and girl)
it'll be an 18 year old.

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It won't achieve much will it? No point in messing about ramp it up to 21.

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i think if your 17 and pass your test the doogooders should ram their ideas where the sun don't shine -its amazing how many hypocrites passed their test at 17 and now want to change it for the next generation of drivers .

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We didn't have pimped up motors back then, my first car was a Mini 1000cc. I wasn't on Daddies insurance I had my own.

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The loss of jobs in the field of driving instructors will probably not be welcomed. Those guys make a killing don't they?

I always got annoyed watching films based in USA where students got classes and all. I'd of strived more for top exam results for driving classes ;) Is that possible here? Have students achieve certain levels to then be allowed to do this or that ?

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"I had a young pimp tonight in a VW golf pull up at the side of me, now I've got a VW Passat 6 speed auto with a DSG gearbox with the paddles near the steering wheel. When we pulled off I let him go a little then I just went through the motions and let the car do the rest."

sounds like you have one now -is there a difference between a boy racer and an old boy racer ?

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Did you have a word after or did you carry on with a smug look ;)

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The smug look did the talking.

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Yes I know how to handle a fast car.

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What nonsense.

The vast majority of young people drive sensibly, and should not be stopped because of the usual nutcases.

My daughter needs her car to drive to work, and no, buses are not an option.
You are suggesting she should not have bothered getting a job until she was 21 ?

Judging by your boasting in previous posts, its you that should be stopped from driving, not the average youngster.

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Doesnt bother me, as long as my insurance goes down, surely if there are less high risk drivers on the road, everyones premiums should be reduced (ha ha) I bet if this comes into play everyones insurance will go up to compensate for the insurance companies losses on 17 and 18 year olds 5 and 6 grand premiums.

After writing a car off earlier this year, ive been forced into driving a 1.6 diesel, and have been refused by 4 companies on my 420bhp Mitsubishi Evo. Think im going to sell the Beemer and the Evo and find something that meets in the middle. Even then, does that make me a worse driver than someone who has learned for a year?

I know im going to be taken for a ride by insurance companies, road tax etc for my choice of car, but is there going to be some kind of special treatment for the newer drivers? Like there used to be for pass plus? I dont disagree with the proposals but I think there is still room for improvement and it needs to be made fair with current drivers

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Illusory superiority

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority

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There weren't buses at 4:30am in the morning when I wasn't driving.

I wish they would stop me from driving I'll be a rich man.

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If anything there would be more driving instructors needed.

My ideal scenario would be something like:

• 16 - Do theory test, allowed to drive with a registered instructor
• 17 - Allowed to drive with an experienced driver
• 18 - Take test, cant drive with passengers at night or in powerful cars
• After 12 months driving take passplus or similar to get experience of motorway and night driving

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Let's not pretend the problem is only with younger drivers. Whereas they do make up a considerable amount of accident statistics, in the vast majority of cases they grow out of these bad habits.

However elderly drivers do not grow out of them and indeed are usually stuck in their ways far too much. I don't remember the last time an under 25 year old drove the wrong way down a motorway because they were 'confused'.

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this help ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-22665323

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Not really. Still hoping to find what I posted about.

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your just not worth the effort are you.

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For the first year, newly qualified drivers would be hit by a curfew running between 10pm and 5am unless they were carrying a passenger aged over 30, as well as a ban on carrying anyone younger than that age if they were under it themselves.

Who comes up with this load of crap? This will cause problems in peoples lives.

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Just like those not bothering to put the effort in to actually reading what I said.

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This post is both interesting and sensible...

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The sort of people who realise killing yourself and others when you've wrapped a car round a tree causes more problems than inconveniencing someone.

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Exactly.... :tu:

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All ages manage to do that, it doesnt magically stop when you reach a certain age.

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Yes but new drivers are far more likely to be victims of serious crashes whether it's by showing off, inexperience of driving at night or in poor conditions.

Easing people into driving let's them build their skill level up, lose some of the exuberance that comes from having a license and, fingers crossed, cuts the number of fatalities.

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All ages manage it but the young do it far more... one fifth of the people killed or seriously injured on roads in 2011 were involved in a collision where at least one driver was aged under 25....

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Some interesting stats here. Some more in-depth findings by the ABI, but with different recommendations.

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the only thing i have a problem with is the no passengers thing ,those sensible young drivers that get a job and pass their test will have problems ,they won't be able to get to work should a curfew be introduced and they won't be able to give work mates a lift to and from work should the no passengers bit be introduced ,far better to just limit the power of cars for new drivers ,even older drivers

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Well to be honest, confusion must have been a factor in it.
if it wasn't, then she wouldn't have done it.

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If that's the case I'm thinking of it was suggested the cause was drug related in which case again it's something people could grow out of, move on from etc.

The kind of confusion where you can't understand road signs, or why everyone else is driving in the opposite direction, flashing their lights, beeping horns, gesticulating wildly - that's not something anyone is likely to 'grow out of'.

The whole system of driving laws needs to be overhauled in my opinion. Yes to what Derek has suggested but also compulsory re-tests every 5 years for all drivers, this changing to annual tests for over 65s.

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If they want to change anything they need to limit what size engine they drive. If they put the limit up its only going to be a different time the same thing happens that what they say currently does.

Limit the engine and passengers they can carry i.e. 1 other passenger and no more problem solved as there will not be as many egging them on to do stuff.

What they need to do is watch for the older drivers that are no longer fit to drive, been past 3 today that should not be on the road and could barely see where they were going.

Insurance premiums are still going to be sky high but that's not all because of you drivers, its the older idiots that drive uninsured. Most youngsters are put off driving now because of the cost and they know they cannot get away with it where as an older person can.

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re-test every 5 years -changing to yearly -the waiting list for a test would be about 40 years :rofl::rofl::rofl: thankfully no one listens to your opinion :rolleyes:

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Really? They seem to manage MOTs quite easily.

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garages doing driving tests now are they ?

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Not as far as I know but I'm pretty sure the whole process isn't arduous enough to put people off getting an MOT, to the point that the government considers it a bad idea.

Your car's roadworthy-ness is tested annually - why not yours too.

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i buy a new one every 3 years - no test needed ,as for me the doc gives the once over annually and specsavers make sure i can read and since i have been driving for 40 years accident free i feel i must be doing something right

how many motors have you totaled /bent/dinged /fenderbended .

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it's certainly workable ,the driver won't need to be taught to drive as they do the first time round a re-test would be about etiquette and safety most of which would take place in a class room ,i think every 5 yrs would be enough though

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A car being new does not guarantee it is roadworthy. Driving for 40 years accident free does not make someone a safe driver. It's possible of course but equally it could mean people have managed to get out of the way in time. I've been playing darts at my local for 25 years and I'm still rubbish at it.

I'm considerably younger than you so have only been driving for 20 years. But I've managed to avoid any road accident in that time too, although I have passed my test twice if that's any help.

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etiquette -people try to drive over you when your crossing the road around here .

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Well that's the thing isn't it , i passed my test in 1983 and having just sat and passed my LGV test i was quite alarmed at what i didn't know .

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isn't it terrible that with driving the more experience you have the worse you are at it -unlike every thing else in the universe where experience counts for something .

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Very true. The Highway Code covers many many different aspects of driving, some of which I'm sure even those driving for 50 or 60 years won't always have experience of so think of what they could be forgetting or losing the 'edge' for, Reaction times diminish as we get older too.

I have yet to see any compelling argument against re-tests for everyone with more frequent appraisals for those over a certain age. I'm pretty sure someone would try to accuse that of being 'ageism' but political correctness cannot change the way the human body (and mind) changes over time.

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No need to get defensive - I'm pretty sure you're aware that reaction times at 60 are not the same as at 18.

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thats why we oldies drive at 14 mph with our fog lights on .

any hoo its time to catch the stanna to the top of the stairs slip into my incontinence pants and snuggle down on my orthopedic mattress .

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Well nobodies said that but complacency will get you and that is where most older drivers fall down .I'll bet that a newly qualified will know a lot more about driving than you or me even though they will be lacking in practical experience

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i see from your signature your 48 so you must be well on the way to being a crap driver .

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like i said before i was surprised by what i did not know when i took my LGV test 2 weeks ago .I had no idea about the colour coding of cats eyes i had to look that up and even now i still see older drivers using the fast lane towing trailers and caravans so unless they are deliberately breaking the law they don't know modern road laws either

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35631399) like i said before i was surprised by what i did not know when i took my LGV test 2 weeks ago .I had no idea about the colour coding of cats eyes

have you heard of a thing called reading ?
there's a book known as the highway code its also available electronically
https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/highway-code

i know only old people bother with the instruction manual but knowing its contents has never been optional.;)

any how im glad to hear that you now know what side of the motorway your on and what a slip road is .
do you display a sign on the rear of you vehicle warning others that you have only just learned how to drive ?
WARNING BE PATIENT IVE ONLY BEEN AT IT 2 WEEKS I DON'T KNOW IT ALL YET .

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bbbut martyh you were claiming to be the worlds best white van driver man /window fitter on earth ,how could you have got it so wrong :shocked:

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I witnessed a young girl coming out of a car park last night around 11:30PM, she had all four wheels on the kerb, she had no lights on then, she jumped a red light, all in view of the local Tactical Aid Police Van.

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Most older people don't know the road laws, we've all seen caravans in the fast lane of the motorway behind Reg who daren't go over 50MPH in his Kia Picanto.

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Wow ,what a thoroughly obnoxious post .I have no idea why you are taking this thread so personally or why you have decided that personal attacks is the way to go but you really need to get over yourself ,i have a suspicion that you are one of those drivers who knows everything until they hit a tree

What the hell is this about ,show me where i did that

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He's seen you posting on the 'White Van Man' forum :)

talking of cats eyes. why don't they all work?
there's a road with them on and it lights up like a runway. but on another road they don't light up at all. they're just metal caps all along the road.

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Probably made in China.

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Probably the new type of solar powered type stud ,there's a stretch on the A1 near Catterick that have just been installed

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hows that sense of humor bypass working for you- i don't take advice from someone who only learned of the existence of the highway code 2 weeks ago,what did you do previously guess and hope for the best.

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He's not giving advice, he's stating an opinion - something we're all entitled to regardless of age.

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and of course you read the highway code at every opportunity don't you :rolleyes:
I haven't offered you any advice but i can guarantee you know less than you think you do .Most drivers don't ever pick up a copy of the highway code once they pass their test but then you will the exception won't you:rolleyes:

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Do you occasionaly stop and get it out to cross reference signs and stuff?

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he's probably already read it and knows what the signs are -but new signs mean buy a new book -books arent just for stopping tables wobbling :)