Cable Forum

Cable Forum (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/index.php)
-   Virgin Media TV Service (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=11)
-   -   HD : Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media! (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33695382)

Risco 11-10-2013 10:10
Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
If this is truly VM stopping certain members posting rumours, then make an official statement. I think it is disgusting that you are using cloak and daggers PM to threaten a great group of people.

We all know you have a presence on this forum, so stand up and be counted.

Chris 11-10-2013 10:11
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Is there any chance you could explain exactly what this is about?

andy_m 11-10-2013 10:35
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
If it was VM then I'm entirely sure that the reasons will have everything to do with ensuring that they are amongst the market leaders. They're not in the business of ****ing off their customers without good reason-they can't be.

Risco 11-10-2013 10:41
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35630703)
Is there any chance you could explain exactly what this is about?
Sure, read the posts from this page. It is either DS trolls, or official VM people. A few of the rumour guys such as Media Boy have been warned and even told that they are delaying channels by posting rumours?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l-page-36.html

BenMcr 11-10-2013 10:59
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35630700)
If this is truly VM stopping certain members posting rumours, then make an official statement. I think it is disgusting that you are using cloak and daggers PM to threaten a great group of people.

We all know you have a presence on this forum, so stand up and be counted.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35630703)
Is there any chance you could explain exactly what this is about?
I would expect it's specifically this post http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35630525-post584.html

1) Doesn't say it's from someone at VM, nor whether it was an 'official' warning.

2) Even if it is from someone from within VM, doesn't mean it isn't the truth. Some negotiations I'm sure are quite sensitive and have a bit of commercial horse trading. Having 'it's coming to VM' may well annoy content providers who see it as an assumption in negotiations.

3) Official statements come from VM as soon as channel launches are confirmed, and we staff generally get told pretty much at the same time as customers do.

ocav 11-10-2013 11:20
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35630735)
I would expect it's specifically this post http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35630525-post584.html

1) Doesn't say it's from someone at VM, nor whether it was an 'official' warning.

2) Even if it is from someone from within VM, doesn't mean it isn't the truth. Some negotiations I'm sure are quite sensitive and have a bit of commercial horse trading. Having 'it's coming to VM' may well annoy content providers who see it as an assumption in negotiations.

3) Official statements come from VM as soon as channel launches are confirmed, and we staff generally get told pretty much at the same time as customers do.
Have to disagree with you on that last one, Virgin are pretty useless in announcing new channels.

Media Boy UK 11-10-2013 11:20
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I can confirmed that the PM was not from Virgin Workers - just an Virgin Viewer as far as I know.

I was really thinking about stop doing the Rumour channels launches anyway.

Horizon 11-10-2013 11:24
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35630735)
Some negotiations I'm sure are quite sensitive and have a bit of commercial horse trading. Having 'it's coming to VM' may well annoy content providers who see it as an assumption in negotiations.
Sorry, but this is really comeplete nonsense.

To suggest that companies, usually American, would be concerned about postings on a UK forum about channels that may or may not launch is absurd.

If someone wishes to post rumours on a forum, that is their business and no one elses. If someone else chooses to read these rumours and believe them as fact, that is their business and no one elses.

Forums are very useful for general chat, help and guidance, exchange of ideas and posting news and rumours. Just because one, usually excellent poster, on DS is having a hissy fit, should not put people off from using forums.

It has been suggested (not a fact, a rumour) that there will be more channel launches but VM are concentrating on their Netflix roll out at the moment. I choose to believe this rumour, but others can believe whatever rumours they wish.

If folk aren't happy with free speech, perhaps they should move to somewhere more to their liking, ie North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.

Now back to the coming soon thread, which is 95% general chat and rubbish and 5% very interesting (to me) rumours and news.

denphone 11-10-2013 11:33
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35630742)
I can confirmed that the PM was not from Virgin Workers - just an Virgin Viewer as far as I know.

I was really thinking about stop doing the Rumour channels launches anyway.
You should just ignore it if it was from a Virgin viewer then MB.

Horizon 11-10-2013 11:55
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
He should ignore it if it was from VM too, he's not on their payroll.

Chad 11-10-2013 12:10
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
When a Virgin insider makes Virgins future plans and strategies public, prior to deals being finalised or announced, they might be in breach of Competition Law. This is a very serious offence and caries very hefty fines, and potentially prison sentences.

My basic understanding of Competition Law suggests an employee should not discuss or share or submit or otherwise provide competitively sensitive, confidential information to competitors or through third parties to competitors, i.e. future company plans, policies, strategies, ideas etc…

So if a Virgin insider provides information about channel negotiations and agreed deals that end up on this forum, that have not yet be made public, they could be deemed to have breached Competition Law. Third party competitors such as SKY, BT and YouView can easily visit this forum and get access to the information.

andy_m 11-10-2013 12:14
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35630742)
I can confirmed that the PM was not from Virgin Workers - just an Virgin Viewer as far as I know.

I was really thinking about stop doing the Rumour channels launches anyway.
That's that, then. Close thread.

theone2k10 11-10-2013 12:23
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35630700)
If this is truly VM stopping certain members posting rumours, then make an official statement. I think it is disgusting that you are using cloak and daggers PM to threaten a great group of people.

We all know you have a presence on this forum, so stand up and be counted.
It's not VM it's someone from another forum attempting to use bullying tactics to try and scare us into not giving any info. It hasn't worked because i've already made it clear that i will indeed continue to post the rumours i hear.

Russ 11-10-2013 12:29
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I'm not interested in VM (if it is them) or anybody else using bullying tactics to stop information being posted.

If there is legitimate info that someone wants posted but for whatever reason is concerned about repercussions then send myself or one of the team a PM and we will post it on your behalf in complete confidence.

In the past VM have contacted us asking us to remove certain things and each time we have refused them point-blank. What they (or any other company) considers 'sensitive' or 'damaging' is their problem, not ours. We are not out to make trouble for anyone but we do not dance to their tune. There was a time we had a healthy working relationship with VM where we could help customers get issues resolved but one day they simply stopped responding and have since made it clear they no longer wish to participate in this relationship, and dropped us.

If we are approached by the police, a court or any other legal authority we will of course comply but removing something just because a company asks us to? No way.

I reiterate, any legitimate rumours or stories that people want posted in complete confidence can be sent to us for posting.

ocav 11-10-2013 12:36
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Technically Russ under a certain law, Virgin Media and legal authorities would have to contact the poster to remove it as anything posted on this forum is from the poster and not from you. Good on your for saying no though!

Russ 11-10-2013 12:43
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35630766)
Technically Russ under a certain law, Virgin Media and legal authorities would have to contact the poster to remove it as anything posted on this forum is from the poster and not from you. Good on your for saying no though!
No, what I'm saying is we will post it. VM (or any other company) won't know who to contact other than the team member concerned. If it's a legal authority we will of course comply.

Horizon 11-10-2013 13:00
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
If it were not for this forum, specifically a post by Media Boy on internet upgrade speeds, I would've still been on 30mb. Because of one his "rumours" I phoned up VM and upgraded my speeds to 60mb for free, 9 months before the official launch of 60mb in my area.

I tried to give him a reputation ranking at the time for it, but the forum said I had to spread the "love" out to others, so it wouldn't let me do it. So a public thanks from me now (very late!) for that information.

Sometimes all the rumours and guff is not rubbish and if it were not for forums like this, we'd all be in the dark about many things.

Anypermitedroute 11-10-2013 13:09
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Rumours are rumours and everyone is entitled to free speech

MB you make it clear enough what is fact and rumour so i say keep on with your fine work. for the said 5 or so who appear to hate it there are 1000 more who enjoy it (and may not be so vocal)

If people want to release information then thats their choice but intimidation and bullying through the use of threat is simply not right and I am grateful for Russ and the CF Mod for that statement above.

Just because they dont like what they see here doesnt give them the right to abuse and name call on another thread; if you dont like it simply ignore

howardmicks 11-10-2013 13:21
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630763)
I'm not interested in VM (if it is them) or anybody else using bullying tactics to stop information being posted.

If there is legitimate info that someone wants posted but for whatever reason is concerned about repercussions then send myself or one of the team a PM and we will post it on your behalf in complete confidence.

In the past VM have contacted us asking us to remove certain things and each time we have refused them point-blank. What they (or any other company) considers 'sensitive' or 'damaging' is their problem, not ours. We are not out to make trouble for anyone but we do not dance to their tune. There was a time we had a healthy working relationship with VM where we could help customers get issues resolved but one day they simply stopped responding and have since made it clear they no longer wish to participate in this relationship, and dropped us.

If we are approached by the police, a court or any other legal authority we will of course comply but removing something just because a company asks us to? No way.

I reiterate, any legitimate rumours or stories that people want posted in complete confidence can be sent to us for posting.
That post/statement was a pleasure to read and is the main reason I consider this forum to be the best,myself and I'm sure the other 2 posters(you all know who we are )this is in reference to would like to thank you for clearing cable forums stance.:)

theone2k10 11-10-2013 13:24
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630768)
No, what I'm saying is we will post it. VM (or any other company) won't know who to contact other than the team member concerned. If it's a legal authority we will of course comply.
VM wouldn't have a leg to stand on anyway mate , the courts would simply say "if you didn't want the info getting out why did you tell people in the first place?" end of the day this is a discussion forum which has rumours on it about tv/phone services etc. It's not causing any damage to any company.

johnasimmons 11-10-2013 13:26
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630763)
I'm not interested in VM (if it is them) or anybody else using bullying tactics to stop information being posted.

If there is legitimate info that someone wants posted but for whatever reason is concerned about repercussions then send myself or one of the team a PM and we will post it on your behalf in complete confidence.

In the past VM have contacted us asking us to remove certain things and each time we have refused them point-blank. What they (or any other company) considers 'sensitive' or 'damaging' is their problem, not ours. We are not out to make trouble for anyone but we do not dance to their tune. There was a time we had a healthy working relationship with VM where we could help customers get issues resolved but one day they simply stopped responding and have since made it clear they no longer wish to participate in this relationship, and dropped us.

If we are approached by the police, a court or any other legal authority we will of course comply but removing something just because a company asks us to? No way.

I reiterate, any legitimate rumours or stories that people want posted in complete confidence can be sent to us for posting.
:clap: :clap:

Nelgy 11-10-2013 13:51
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
well said Russ

Risco 11-10-2013 15:37
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35630742)
I can confirmed that the PM was not from Virgin Workers - just an Virgin Viewer as far as I know.

I was really thinking about stop doing the Rumour channels launches anyway.
Well the post below should help resolve your fears. Please don't stop posting rumours! I do think there should be increased moderation in what is the biggest thread on these forums.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630763)
I'm not interested in VM (if it is them) or anybody else using bullying tactics to stop information being posted.

If there is legitimate info that someone wants posted but for whatever reason is concerned about repercussions then send myself or one of the team a PM and we will post it on your behalf in complete confidence.

In the past VM have contacted us asking us to remove certain things and each time we have refused them point-blank. What they (or any other company) considers 'sensitive' or 'damaging' is their problem, not ours. We are not out to make trouble for anyone but we do not dance to their tune. There was a time we had a healthy working relationship with VM where we could help customers get issues resolved but one day they simply stopped responding and have since made it clear they no longer wish to participate in this relationship, and dropped us.

If we are approached by the police, a court or any other legal authority we will of course comply but removing something just because a company asks us to? No way.

I reiterate, any legitimate rumours or stories that people want posted in complete confidence can be sent to us for posting.
Fantastic post, and thanks for clearing everything up. The people who made those disgraceful pm should be name, shamed and banned imo.

yorkshireborn 11-10-2013 18:25
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
could it be that MB's insider is close to being caught and has to lie low for a while.

could it be one of those gagging orders.

could it be blackmail

could it be ?

Chris 11-10-2013 19:38
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Could it be magic?

Hugh 11-10-2013 20:06
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35630981)
Could it be magic?
now, now and hold on fast
Could this be the magic at last

Arthurgray50@blu 11-10-2013 20:10
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I congratulate Russ for placing his comment on this forum.

We get all the info from this forum, and it gives us something to look forward to and and argue.

Lets put it this way. VM don't give us anything, they are well known for keeping us in the dark and the PR is very poor - very poor.

Its this forum that keeps us informed and it will keeo doing it.

Superblade7 11-10-2013 20:53
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630763)
I'm not interested in VM (if it is them) or anybody else using bullying tactics to stop information being posted.

If there is legitimate info that someone wants posted but for whatever reason is concerned about repercussions then send myself or one of the team a PM and we will post it on your behalf in complete confidence.

In the past VM have contacted us asking us to remove certain things and each time we have refused them point-blank. What they (or any other company) considers 'sensitive' or 'damaging' is their problem, not ours. We are not out to make trouble for anyone but we do not dance to their tune. There was a time we had a healthy working relationship with VM where we could help customers get issues resolved but one day they simply stopped responding and have since made it clear they no longer wish to participate in this relationship, and dropped us.

If we are approached by the police, a court or any other legal authority we will of course comply but removing something just because a company asks us to? No way.

I reiterate, any legitimate rumours or stories that people want posted in complete confidence can be sent to us for posting.
Credit to Russ, fantastic post.

Media Boy, theone, howardmicks and a few others ITK on here make Cable Forum a great daily read and keep us informed as best they can as to what maybe or is coming soon to VM.

Long live Cable Forum! :cleader:

MaverickJesus 11-10-2013 21:32
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35630781)
VM wouldn't have a leg to stand on anyway mate , the courts would simply say "if you didn't want the info getting out why did you tell people in the first place?" end of the day this is a discussion forum which has rumours on it about tv/phone services etc. It's not causing any damage to any company.
Utter dross. Don't talk about legal matters like you are lawyer.

howardmicks 11-10-2013 21:57
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35631006)
Credit to Russ, fantastic post.

Media Boy, theone and a few others ITK on here make Cable Forum a great daily read and keep us informed as best they can as to what maybe or is coming soon to VM.

Long live Cable Forum! :cleader:
Feeling neglected here bud only media boy and theone get a mention :D I must be branded in the few others:(

theone2k10 11-10-2013 22:03
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35631017)
Utter dross. Don't talk about legal matters like you are lawyer.
I'm not but my cousin is so there you go :)

Superblade7 11-10-2013 22:23
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35631006)
Credit to Russ, fantastic post.

Media Boy, theone, howardmicks and a few others ITK on here make Cable Forum a great daily read and keep us informed as best they can as to what maybe or is coming soon to VM.

Long live Cable Forum! :cleader:
Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35631026)
Feeling neglected here bud only media boy and theone get a mention :D I must be branded in the few others:(
Sorry Howard, your info is good too! Previous post updated ;)

howardmicks 11-10-2013 23:00
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35631036)
Sorry Howard, your info is good too! Previous post updated ;)
:D:D:D cheers bud feel wanted now :LOL:

XxDanoxX 12-10-2013 02:10
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/10/46.jpg

Paul 12-10-2013 03:55
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35630745)
Sorry, but this is really comeplete nonsense.

To suggest that companies, usually American, would be concerned about postings on a UK forum about channels that may or may not launch is absurd.
This pretty much sums it up. I would love to think that Cable Forum had so much power we could control what Virgin Media does, but we dont, not even one small drop. We have no powers over VM at all, anyone who thinks otherwise is not living in the real world.

Media Boy UK 12-10-2013 13:52
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkshireborn (Post 35630962)
could it be that MB's insider is close to being caught and has to lie low for a while.

could it be one of those gagging orders.

could it be blackmail

could it be ?
It was an Virgin Media viewer who told me that I was holding channels up - not any insiders I know.

I know who told me but I will not be posting their name online.

Doug P 12-10-2013 18:29
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I go away for work and unable to use CF and look what happens.... :-(

XxDanoxX 12-10-2013 22:48
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Commercial Decisions are based around forum tittle tattle. Yeah, Alright.

This thread needs to be locked and deleted on the grounds the subject matter is absolute **ll**ks.

Chad 12-10-2013 23:05
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDanoxX (Post 35631357)
Commercial Decisions are based around forum tittle tattle. Yeah, Alright.

This thread needs to be locked and deleted on the grounds the subject matter is absolute **ll**ks.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/10/45.jpg

theone2k10 12-10-2013 23:20
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
1 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDanoxX (Post 35631357)
Commercial Decisions are based around forum tittle tattle. Yeah, Alright.

This thread needs to be locked and deleted on the grounds the subject matter is absolute **ll**ks.
Or you could simply not read the thread.

geordiechris 12-10-2013 23:36
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35631373)
Or you could simply not read the thread.
:clap: :clap: We'll said :)

TAZMANUK 12-10-2013 23:42
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Meanwhile back on coming soon thread "tumbleweed" lers get back their.

XxDanoxX 12-10-2013 23:58
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
It's not being obnoxious at all - does ANYONE I mean ANYONE believe that channel launches are held up because of Media Boy? REALLY I mean REALLY!? Think of the money, think of the customer acquisition opportunity by adding more channels.

"That bloke on the internet is talking about channel launches! Right that's it, No FOX+ for you lot tonight, you're way out of line!"

yorkshireborn 13-10-2013 00:30
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35631184)
It was an Virgin Media viewer who told me that I was holding channels up - not any insiders I know.

I know who told me but I will not be posting their name online.
I would not expect you or anyone else to name /shame him but I a lil confused how would a Virgin Media viewer know or let alone accuse you of holding back the launch of any VM channels based on rumours unless the said viewer works in "THE department of soon to be released if no rumours come out VM channels".

Itshim 13-10-2013 09:41
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDanoxX (Post 35631393)
It's not being obnoxious at all - does ANYONE I mean ANYONE believe that channel launches are held up because of Media Boy? REALLY I mean REALLY!? Think of the money, think of the customer acquisition opportunity by adding more channels.

"That bloke on the internet is talking about channel launches! Right that's it, No FOX+ for you lot tonight, you're way out of line!"

The only sensible post I have seen here for a very long time. Get a life. boys ( & girls I guess). Do you really think that some very small cog in a VERY big m/c would be given sensitive information & the choose to "leak" it on a small forum. You are watching to many Daft TV shows if you do. Before the comments come in I love daft tv shows - just do not take them as what happens in the real world:rolleyes:

Russ 13-10-2013 11:17
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Whereas I agree it's highly unlikely (to the point of ridiculousness) VM would change their minds on a product launch due to what is being discussed here it is true that in the past they have requested certain information is removed from view on CF. I don't recall the reasons for this (more to do with my ADHD than reasons not being furnished) but it has happened. Make of this what you will.

Maggy 13-10-2013 12:27
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I'm again pointing out that swearing is not allowed on this site.You are also not allowed to asterisk out certain letters in swearwords to avoid the swear filter.

However some of you seem to have either forgotten this or are new to the site.On this occasion I will let it pass however IF there is anymore such behaviour I will start editing posts and I WILL issue infractions.

Anyone wishing to remind themselves of the T&Cs of the site can find them here will all the additions and updates.

Henkesghost 13-10-2013 12:41
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
You not think some are getting a bit melodramatic on here, it's random people posting on forums about tv channels. All this I will post no longer blah blah, really?

http://blog.shaleshockmedia.org/2013...-frack-babies/

Paul 13-10-2013 16:31
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxDanoxX (Post 35631357)
This thread needs to be locked and deleted on the grounds the subject matter is absolute **ll**ks.
The CF Team will decide what needs to be locked or deleted, not you.

As mentioned above, some people are getting a little too over dramatic in this thread. Time to calm down.

Mad Max 13-10-2013 16:45
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35631417)
My post about BT dumping on Virgin wasn't to everyone's taste.

Jeez oh, some ppl are easily offended......:rolleyes:

RichardCoulter 13-10-2013 20:32
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35631417)
My post about BT dumping on Virgin wasn't to everyone's taste.
Thanks for recognising that Chad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35631460)
Whereas I agree it's highly unlikely (to the point of ridiculousness) VM would change their minds on a product launch due to what is being discussed here it is true that in the past they have requested certain information is removed from view on CF. I don't recall the reasons for this (more to do with my ADHD than reasons not being furnished) but it has happened. Make of this what you will.
AIUI VM only make such requests where posts are considere libelous or detrimental to their standing as a business. If any such requests are not forthcoming, legal action to force said removal is considered.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35631477)
I'm again pointing out that swearing is not allowed on this site.You are also not allowed to asterisk out certain letters in swearwords to avoid the swear filter.

However some of you seem to have either forgotten this or are newotook the site.On this occasion I will let it pass however IF there is anymore such behaviour I will start editing posts and I WILL issue infractions.

Anyone wishing to remind themselves of the T&Cs of the site can find them here will all the additions and updates.
I'm not sure if you are including the asterixes that I inserted into a particular word. To clarify, this was not done because the word was swearing, but because it referred to a particular unpleasent posting that I did not wish to reproduce in full.

---------- Post added at 19:32 ---------- Previous post was at 19:29 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35631566)
Jeez oh, some ppl are easily offended......:rolleyes:
Many people, particularly those with children, do not want to see such postings on a family friendly forum.

Russ 13-10-2013 20:42
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35631651)
AIUI VM only make such requests where posts are considere libelous or detrimental to their standing as a business.
Their last request was neither.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35631651)
If any such requests are not forthcoming, legal action to force said removal is considered.
Yep they threatened it last time but made a hasty (and embarrassing) retreat when we pointed out they had no legal basis whatsoever.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35631651)
I'm not sure if you are including the asterixes that I inserted into a particular word. To clarify, this was not done because the word was swearing, but because it referred to a particular unpleasent posting that I did not wish to reproduce in full.

Many people, particularly those with children, do not want to see such postings on a family friendly forum.
Leave moderating duties to us.

MovedGoalPosts 13-10-2013 20:42
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35631651)
I'm not sure if you are including the asterixes that I inserted into a particular word. To clarify, this was not done because the word was swearing, but because it referred to a particular unpleasent posting that I did not wish to reproduce in full.
And instead you have successfully highlighted and drawn attention to it as the few asterixes make the "hidden" word all to obvious. These posts will now be edited since they serve no contribution to the topic of this discussion.

XxDanoxX 14-10-2013 08:07
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35631564)
The CF Team will decide what needs to be locked or deleted, not you.

As mentioned above, some people are getting a little too over dramatic in this thread. Time to calm down.

Gosh, I feel like my virtual pants have been pulled down and my behind now has a rather red hand-mark on it :D

Mad Max 14-10-2013 12:58
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35631651)

Many people, particularly those with children, do not want to see such postings on a family friendly forum.

So do you think some children are reading these posts?

Russ 14-10-2013 13:02
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Just an addition to my earlier posts:

I've had a few PMs asking me to clarify the situation so this is it. We are not a 'hate' site for VM. We're not even hostile. When we were Nthellworld then yes it could be said the site was happy to be a thorn in VM's side but when we changed to CF the emphasis was on helping customers. VM (or NTL as it was) were happy for us to send them customer issues which to their credit were always resolved. That was obviously good for them and CF benefitted as we were known for having a 100% success rate for helping users.

We were never 'in their pockets' and neither did we ever owe them anything and certainly could not have been accused of 'towing the company line'. They never asked for any favours - just as we would never have agreed to them. The relationship worked well for about 5 years when suddenly they just stopped responding to us (around about the time the community site started. the least they could have done was inform us we weren't going to be used) and we figured if they weren't going to help us we won't help them.

We are still not hostile towards VM, they are welcome to contact us, post here or whatever. But we will not change the way we do things purely because it suits them. If they cannot or will not answer a question due to business confidentiality etc then that's understandable and we have no issue with that. What we won't stand for is the traditional BS that VM clearly inherited from the NTL days. Not all (or even most) VM staff are guilty of this of course but sadly those that are seem to occupy many decision-making roles.

We have no interest in making life hard for VM however us working with them has to be a 2-way street and since they dropped us they've shown no interest in that. Which is fair enough of course, I mean they have their own community forum now. But approaching us with threats of legal action if we do not remove posts will be never work.

Just FYI, I dealt with one incident recently where they threatened to take things further because a certain staffer's email address was on here. Now we will always remove a posted email address from here if we have not been given permission by that employee for it to be seen. However in this case I pointed out it was already in the public domain, on google as well as a few other forums (including their own).

We heard nothing back from them.

---------- Post added at 12:02 ---------- Previous post was at 12:01 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35631863)
So do you think some children are reading these posts?
In fairness I have to point out that although there may not be many (any?) under 18s posting on here that does not mean we should act as if they won't.

Cable Forum has a policy of being a family-friendly site.

dwarfofpoison 14-10-2013 21:16
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
"Coming Soon..." is just one thread and in just 14 days has generated over 800,000 views. So as much as I am sceptical of a forum carrying any weight in commercial negotiations, I would be equally worried if I had evidence that those directly involved in these discussions were ignorant of the forum.

Evidence, somewhat crucial. Yet the missing element backing up everyone's argument.

dwarfofpoison 15-10-2013 06:40
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwarfofpoison (Post 35632101)
"Coming Soon..." is just one thread and in just 14 days has generated over 800,000 views. So as much as I am sceptical of a forum carrying any weight in commercial negotiations, I would be equally worried if I had evidence that those directly involved in these discussions were ignorant of the forum.

Evidence, somewhat crucial. Yet the missing element backing up everyone's argument.
oops 80,000!

andrewbrown 15-10-2013 09:29
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
I check this thread on average 4 times a day. I'm sure that some people would do it more often, some people less often. If you take me as an average, that would be round about 1400 following this thread.

MaverickJesus 15-10-2013 20:02
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewbrown (Post 35632280)
I check this thread on average 4 times a day. I'm sure that some people would do it more often, some people less often. If you take me as an average, that would be round about 1400 following this thread.
Given less than 10 people count for well over half of the posts in the current thread alone, I think that's fairly unlikely.

Sephiroth 17-10-2013 14:11
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35630758)
When a Virgin insider makes Virgins future plans and strategies public, prior to deals being finalised or announced, they might be in breach of Competition Law. This is a very serious offence and caries very hefty fines, and potentially prison sentences.

......
Is that right or is that gollox? The latter, I think.

Competition Law is all about companies not abusing a dominant position or in some way acting so as to stifle or suppress competition.

spiderplant 17-10-2013 15:33
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35633247)
Is that right or is that gollox? The latter, I think.
You are correct. It would be a potential breach of insider trading law.

Wad_2002 22-10-2013 12:52
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
As I have been away from the forum for a while...All I can say is hang in there Mediaboy!

Back a few years ago, this was my main reason for visiting was the "Coming Soon" threads as it had good info which was not made availbvle to Virgin Media customers by VM.

On a side note - I think if VM are trying to throw there weight around on public forums (not owned/run by VM) then it could turn out very bad PR wise if someone was to blow the issue out of the water.

In the buisness they run, they will never ever be able to stop the rumor machine and would be in the best intrests to engage with the customers in a more direct and personal way where they can advise us of whats "Coming Soon".

But knowing VM, money is more important than customer relations. Hence why we have the legend Mediaboy!

Keep the faith!

gizuk 22-10-2013 13:48
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wad_2002 (Post 35635186)
As I have been away from the forum for a while...All I can say is hang in there Mediaboy!

Back a few years ago, this was my main reason for visiting was the "Coming Soon" threads as it had good info which was not made availbvle to Virgin Media customers by VM.

On a side note - I think if VM are trying to throw there weight around on public forums (not owned/run by VM) then it could turn out very bad PR wise if someone was to blow the issue out of the water.

In the buisness they run, they will never ever be able to stop the rumor machine and would be in the best intrests to engage with the customers in a more direct and personal way where they can advise us of whats "Coming Soon".

But knowing VM, money is more important than customer relations. Hence why we have the legend Mediaboy!

Keep the faith!
Yeah, they aren't.

passingbat 22-10-2013 14:10
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wad_2002 (Post 35635186)
I think if VM are trying to throw there weight around on public forums (not owned/run by VM)!
What do you mean by that? Wasn't it established that the PM about rumours causing problems with channel launches did not come from VM? Do you have other examples to illustrate your assertion? I'm asking purely out of interest.

OLD BOY 22-10-2013 14:39
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wad_2002 (Post 35635186)
As I have been away from the forum for a while...All I can say is hang in there Mediaboy!

Back a few years ago, this was my main reason for visiting was the "Coming Soon" threads as it had good info which was not made availbvle to Virgin Media customers by VM.

On a side note - I think if VM are trying to throw there weight around on public forums (not owned/run by VM) then it could turn out very bad PR wise if someone was to blow the issue out of the water.

In the buisness they run, they will never ever be able to stop the rumor machine and would be in the best intrests to engage with the customers in a more direct and personal way where they can advise us of whats "Coming Soon".

But knowing VM, money is more important than customer relations. Hence why we have the legend Mediaboy!

Keep the faith!
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, Wad ;)

Wad_2002 22-10-2013 17:01
Re: Channel rumours ban - Make an official statement Virgin Media!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35635241)
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick, Wad ;)
Quite possibly....after reading, it was a VM customer lol.

My apologies folks :angel:

---------- Post added at 16:01 ---------- Previous post was at 15:59 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35635222)
What do you mean by that? Wasn't it established that the PM about rumours causing problems with channel launches did not come from VM? Do you have other examples to illustrate your assertion? I'm asking purely out of interest.
Nope...I misread...my apologies ;).

However, I think one of the mods mentioned VM have historically asked for info to be removed from the site...which is just as bad in my view.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 14:39.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum