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Arthurgray50@blu 26-09-2013 21:42
Just a thought
 
There is no link to this thought.

Just thinking we could save a lot of money overnight, by stop paying wages to MPs etc.

Anyone wondered - IF, MPs can claim expenses on everything from decorarting, to catering to cleaning the bogs and even newspapers, whats the point of paying them £100.000 grand per year in wages, what do they do with it.

Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.

Damien 26-09-2013 21:50
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No we couldn't save a lot of money but not paying MPs. There aren't many of them and their wages will not amount to much. It would a pittance. Additionally you would be increasing the risk of corruption as the MPs, like most of us, will probably want to earn some money and will feel less conflicted about accepting 'advisory roles' for large companies.

tizmeinnit 26-09-2013 21:52
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Legalise cannabis it will create jobs and massive revenue

Pierre 26-09-2013 21:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35625764)
There is no link to this thought.

Just thinking we could save a lot of money overnight, by stop paying wages to MPs etc.

Anyone wondered - IF, MPs can claim expenses on everything from decorarting, to catering to cleaning the bogs and even newspapers, whats the point of paying them £100.000 grand per year in wages, what do they do with it.

Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.
Oh dear, Arthur, the reason that MPs claimed for the very air they breathe is because they were not given pay rises( well not real ones) during the Thatcher and Blair years. They were advised to supplement their income via the expenses system.

That is why councillors the length and breadth of the country earn more, on paper, than Westminster MPs, and in many cases, the PM.

The expenses policy was there to supplement their wages already.

So it's a great idea, and if it makes you feel any better, you can sleep knowing you and Mrs Thatcher think the same way! Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?

Doug P 27-09-2013 07:38
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The thought of the calibre of MPs if there was no actual wage is chilling. Some of them are bad enough as it is....

GrimUpNorth 27-09-2013 10:53
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35625771)
Oh dear, Arthur, the reason that MPs claimed for the very air they breathe is because they were not given pay rises( well not real ones) during the Thatcher and Blair years. They were advised to supplement their income via the expenses system.

That is why councillors the length and breadth of the country earn more, on paper, than Westminster MPs, and in many cases, the PM.

The expenses policy was there to supplement their wages already.

So it's a great idea, and if it makes you feel any better, you can sleep knowing you and Mrs Thatcher think the same way! Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside?
Twaddle

Cheers

Grim

Pog66 27-09-2013 12:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35625764)
Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.
strange statement - surely goes for anyone who works for the government, civil service etc, roadsweepers, binmen...

I'm currently working on a Govt contract - my employer is paid by the govt & indirectly that is passed to me in wages - wages i use to fly abroad on holiday with...

isn't the idea to stop MPs claiming outrageous expenses rather than encourage them more...

:dozey:

Gary L 27-09-2013 12:35
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I've always disagreed with paying them for this that and the other.

do they even pay for their own bog roll at home, or do we pay for that too?

Arthurgray50@blu 27-09-2013 13:51
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Pierre, Please dont even put me into the same league as Thatcher, l hated the woman and was glad when she died.

I like many others celebrated her death. She can RIP, l was sad that she had so many illnesses when she passed.

Stuart 27-09-2013 15:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35625764)
There is no link to this thought.

Just thinking we could save a lot of money overnight, by stop paying wages to MPs etc.

Anyone wondered - IF, MPs can claim expenses on everything from decorarting, to catering to cleaning the bogs and even newspapers, whats the point of paying them £100.000 grand per year in wages, what do they do with it.

Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.
If you stopped ALL MPs wages and claims, you would save several million pounds, true. The problem comes because the country needs to save *billions*, not millions.

What you are suggesting would be about as useful as a little boy offering his mum and dad the savings in his piggy bank to help pay off the Bailiffs who have come to repossess the house because his parents have defaulted on the Mortgage.

Still, I can think of several organisations that could make good use of a few million.

Derek 29-09-2013 07:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35625770)
Legalise cannabis it will create jobs and massive revenue
Really? And what level would you tax it at so that people don't just go to their local black market dealer and get cheaper non-taxed weed yet still earns the treasury enough money to pay for potential increases in NHS costs through mental health issues and respiratory problems?

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 08:21
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35626366)
Really? And what level would you tax it at so that people don't just go to their local black market dealer and get cheaper non-taxed weed yet still earns the treasury enough money to pay for potential increases in NHS costs through mental health issues and respiratory problems?
Yes really

Government sets up farms so its state run. Employs gardeners to tend the plants. Creates a whole distribution network and in doing so creates even more jobs. Also manages the strains breeds in more sativa instead of indica so there is less chance of psychotic episodes than there is with the strains available now.

Street prices are at a all time high. End users pay upto and beyond £280 per ounce and there are millions of users that spend at least £10 per week ( a hell of a lot use more )

So for point of argument you have 1 million users spending £10 per week ( sell them 2 grams for that so its a better deal) potential revenue 10 million per week after costs it is all profit so forget your tax question.Of course you do get some of the costs back in tax.

So this alone equates to 500 million gross per year. Now there are more than a million users in the uk I believe 10 times more at the very least so this equates to a possible 5 000 000 000 in gross income easy of which 2.5 billion of that will be profit

As it stand at this point all these users are doing it anyway so there will be little or no increase in costs to the NHS you mention and as I said if you manage the strain correctly you are less likely to have the mental illness issues anyway. And bare in mind research has shown only susceptible smokers will ever have one anyway

Then of course there is the other bonus and that is all these millions are no longer going into the hands of criminals

As Old bill Derek I am sure you are aware that the figures are conservative and I believe the revenue will be far greater billions every year easy all for doing something that is going on anyway

And on top of that reduced cost of Policing cannabis

I do not know of many industries that could earn el gov so much so easily

Chris 29-09-2013 09:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35625884)
Twaddle

Cheers

Grim
No it isn't. The reason so many MPs were stretching the definition of "expenses" so far was that they had been told, privately, that if they agreed not to vote themselves pay rises they could go some way towards making it up with some very generous help with their domestic bills.

Or did you never wonder why it was that with so many ridiculous stories in the Telegraph about wisteria, duck houses and 'flipping' of the main residence, so few MPs ended up being prosecuted for actually doing something illegal?

martyh 29-09-2013 09:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626369)
Yes really

Government sets up farms so its state run. snip ,snip
So you actually think it would be a good idea to add to the problems we already have with people controlling the amount they drink by adding cannabis fueled psychotics into the mix :rolleyes:

Osem 29-09-2013 09:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626381)
So you actually think it would be a good idea to add to the problems we already have with people controlling the amount they drink by adding cannabis fueled psychotics into the mix :rolleyes:
Sounds ideal to me... :rolleyes: ;)

And of course all the low life dealers who've thus far made a good living out of supplying it will all just retrain to become primary school teachers and pillars of society. There's no way they'll just spend their time pushing more potent drugs, very cheaply at first, in order to lure, then trap people into relying on them once again...

martyh 29-09-2013 10:13
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626382)
Sounds ideal to me... :rolleyes: ;)

And of course all the low life dealers who've thus far made a good living out of supplying it will all just retrain to become primary school teachers and pillars of society. There's no way they'll just spend their time pushing more potent drugs, very cheaply at first, in order to lure, then trap people into relying on them once again...
and the user won't simply buy the same stuff they always have from the same dealer who sells it cheaper than the state grown stuff because he won't be paying any duty

Osem 29-09-2013 10:16
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626385)
and the user won't simply buy the same stuff they always have from the same dealer who sells it cheaper than the state grown stuff because he won't be paying any duty
Nope, it'll never happen... :rofl:

Maybe HMG could make it available free to the unemployed and those on low incomes... :rolleyes:

martyh 29-09-2013 10:22
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626386)
Nope, it'll never happen... :rofl:

Maybe HMG could make it available free to the unemployed and those on low incomes... :rolleyes:
nah ,'cos then the gove would have to raise benefits to account for the 'Munchie' effect

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 12:17
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You guys really do not have a clue. Marty you and osem obviously have no knowledge on this subject yet you sprout your opinions and honestly you are talking crap

Why would el gov based weed be more expensive? when weed was reclassified prices sky rocketed as I said in my out line if el gov do 2 grams for a tenner the end user will snap their hands off. Why would there be need for duty? its a government run business so all the profit goes into the pot anyway ( see what I did there lol)

You also seemed blissfully unaware that I said breed in more sativa and less indica therefore controlling the psychotic effects

But no you pair would rather do nothing as usual and leave the billions of pounds going into the pockets of criminals

Russ 29-09-2013 12:56
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Just because someone has different views does not automatically mean they are wrong and you are right.

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 13:01
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35626422)
Just because someone has different views does not automatically mean they are wrong and you are right.
What I am saying is they appear to have no knowledge on the subject. How can anyone come up with an educated opinion without knowledge on the subject? You can not simples

I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune

I would much rather the billions goes into el govs coffers and not some crook and there are jobs and billions of pounds to be made.

These points are factual not conjecture

martyh 29-09-2013 13:36
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626410)
Why would el gov based weed be more expensive?
TAX

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You also seemed blissfully unaware that I said breed in more sativa and less indica therefore controlling the psychotic effects
controlling not eliminating.

We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .

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I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune
So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment :rolleyes:? .

Osem 29-09-2013 13:44
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Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive?? :rofl: Quality control, health & safety, administration, bureaucracy, wages, national insurance payments, human resources, pensions contibutions, regulation, compliance with legal obligations, distribution costs etc. etc. etc. The same things that make illegal sweat shops able to undercut genuine manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626429)
TAX

controlling not eliminating.

We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .



So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment :rolleyes:? .

Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive?? :rofl:


Not to mention quality control, health & safety, administration, bureaucracy, wages, national insurance payments, human resources, pensions contibutions, compliance with legal obligations, distribution costs etc. etc. etc. The same things that make illegal sweat shops able to undercut genuine manufacturers.

Doug P 29-09-2013 13:49
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I hate the smell it makes me feel ill, but I have no opinion on whether others should use it or not as I do not have the knowledge to approve or disapprove with any certainty....

GrimUpNorth 29-09-2013 13:50
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35626376)
No it isn't. The reason so many MPs were stretching the definition of "expenses" so far was that they had been told, privately, that if they agreed not to vote themselves pay rises they could go some way towards making it up with some very generous help with their domestic bills.

Or did you never wonder why it was that with so many ridiculous stories in the Telegraph about wisteria, duck houses and 'flipping' of the main residence, so few MPs ended up being prosecuted for actually doing something illegal?
Except my comment was in response to 'councillors earning more than MP's', which is twaddle. I'm fully aware of what was/is going on, and never wondered why there were so many ridiculous stories in the Telegraph. I do however, wonder why you felt the need for a condescending response when you obviously didn't read the comment I was responding to, and just felt that trying to be smart and belittling was a clever thing to do.

Cheers

Grim

Doug P 29-09-2013 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35625926)
Pierre, Please dont even put me into the same league as Thatcher, l hated the woman and was glad when she died.

I like many others celebrated her death. She can RIP, l was sad that she had so many illnesses when she passed.
Arthur I abhor anyone who is pleased at the death of anyone. The pleasure of death of anyone who was loved and admired by others is one opinion I cannot respect and you are now on my ignore list.

martyh 29-09-2013 14:05
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Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35626435)
I hate the smell it makes me feel ill, but I have no opinion on whether others should use it or not as I do not have the knowledge to approve or disapprove with any certainty....
I've lost 3 friends in 5 yrs due to the effects of drink ,drugs or a combination of both .I have a sister in law who's brain is plain fried from too much cannabis ,she lost her kids .Making another drug legal is just plain idiotic imo,we have enough problems with drink and fags

Will21st 29-09-2013 14:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626429)
TAX
Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .;)


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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626429)
controlling not eliminating.
Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626429)
We have enough health problems without introducing more ,cannabis is illegal and it will remain illegal ,simples .
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Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626429)
So being an addict makes you an expert does it ,and means you're the only one who can comment :rolleyes:? .
Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.:p:
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.;)

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626431)
Why would govt. produced weed be more expensive?? :rofl:
So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626441)
I've lost 3 friends in 5 yrs due to the effects of drink ,drugs or a combination of both .I have a sister in law who's brain is plain fried from too much cannabis ,she lost her kids.
I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 14:17
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So no one actually smokes cannabis because it is illegal then? and you think the numbers of users of a readily available drug will increase? So you have the smokers anyway smoking unknown strains when the same smokers could be smoking a less psychotic enducing drug ( only 1 in 10 users are susceptible to this anyway )

As I said el gov could do 2 grams for a tenner all of that tenner goes into the coffers production costs and wages come out of it ( taxes taken from this) then the rest is profit no need for tax

Once again criminals make billions the drug is readily available to anyone the law has no chance so imo legalise and have revenue that exists anyway

Or like you want nothing changes tokers smoke what they want and the criminals make the money .

I am a user not an addict

martyh 29-09-2013 14:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626442)
Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .;)



Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?

Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.


Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.:p:
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.;)



So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

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I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626445)
So no one actually smokes cannabis because it is illegal then? and you think the numbers of users of a readily available drug will increase? So you have the smokers anyway smoking unknown strains when the same smokers could be smoking a less psychotic enducing drug ( only 1 in 10 users are susceptible to this anyway )

As I said el gov could do 2 grams for a tenner all of that tenner goes into the coffers production costs and wages come out of it ( taxes taken from this) then the rest is profit no need for tax

Once again criminals make billions the drug is readily available to anyone the law has no chance so imo legalise and have revenue that exists anyway

Or like you want nothing changes tokers smoke what they want and the criminals make the money .

I am a user not an addict
Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 14:40
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626453)
Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.
Excuse me marty but I have not said anything about it being good for you. I am saying people are smoking it anyway may as well el gov get the cash not a criminal

I smoke weed I do not drink to any excess and I do not smoke cigarettes at all. I have never been violent due to weed or the little drink and I do not spend a fortune on fags. I can stop smoking weed anytime I want and as I am working on getting fit before long I will

I do not think you read posts properly marty cuz half of what you say others say is just made up in your head( I deffo do not think you should smoke weed )

martyh 29-09-2013 14:58
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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626455)
Excuse me marty but I have not said anything about it being good for you. I am saying people are smoking it anyway may as well el gov get the cash not a criminal

I smoke weed I do not drink to any excess and I do not smoke cigarettes at all. I have never been violent due to weed or the little drink and I do not spend a fortune on fags. I can stop smoking weed anytime I want and as I am working on getting fit before long I will

I do not think you read posts properly marty cuz half of what you say others say is just made up in your head( I deffo do not think you should smoke weed )
well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms :rolleyes:

Will21st 29-09-2013 15:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626453)
Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.
So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.;)

By the way,I don't smoke weed nor do I drink or put any powder up my nose... ;)

Anyway, tens of thousands of people in the UK die from alcohol abuse every year.

Awaiting Marty's 'Ban alcohol now!' Thread in 3...2...1. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626464)
well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms :rolleyes:
Or someone who doesn't want to gift billions of pounds to organised crime. Take your pick.

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 16:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626464)
well it certainly aint doing you any good ,only someone wacked out their skull on drugs would suggest that the government run cannabis farms :rolleyes:
Actually medicinally it does help me. It also helps a lot of other people medicinally if you actually wanted to know the facts ( which clearly you do not) there is plenty of medically sound uses

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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626473)
So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.;)
This is martys way I for one am used to it now :)

martyh 29-09-2013 17:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626473)
So instead of engaging with the points that are being made you prefer to throw insults around? Yeah,that really helps the case you're making,or rather trying to make.;)

.
who's throwing insults around ?:shrug:

I'm just not interested in debating drugs use A)because there is no inteligent reason to make it legal ,at least while we have the problems with drink and fags ,even then there is equally substantial evidence stating the harm it does that has been done to death in other more relevant threads ,and B) trying to convince an addict that drugs are bad for you is like peaing in the wind

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 17:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626522)
who's throwing insults around ?:shrug:

I'm just not interested in debating drugs use A)because there is no inteligent reason to make it legal ,at least while we have the problems with drink and fags ,even then there is equally substantial evidence stating the harm it does that has been done to death in other more relevant threads ,and B) trying to convince an addict that drugs are bad for you is like peaing in the wind
yet you are still here debating it ??
A make the country billions of pounds
B clueless response from someone with absolutely no real knowledge on the subject

Osem 29-09-2013 17:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626442)
Yes,it'll make it more expensive,however the legal CannabisMarket will be the main one,for one simple reason reason: Quality control.

Unless of course you're saying that in the Netherlands most people buy from black market dealers .;)



Please show me the medical definition of Cannabis Psychosis.Also please show me the research and papers that conclude that Cannabis CAUSES Schizophrenia.

By the way,I take it you realise that most psychotic breaks reported to Hospitals are a result of Alcohol consumption.... ?

Regulating Cannabis and getting more people to consume it would certainly be much better than drinking alcohol.It really is amazing how many people underestimate how dangerous alcohol is.

By the way,Cannabis will not remain illegal for much longer... Take a look at what happening in the US and elsewhere,the war on drugs is lost and big changes are afoot. Thank God.


Addict or not he certainly seems a good bit more knowledgable on the subject than you are Marty.:p:
No disrespect,but I'd suggest you do a bit more research,you've really been fed a lot of Propaganda there.Can't blame you though,every War relies on good propaganda,especially the un-winnable ones.;)



So the Dutch cannabis market is still in the hands of crooks then? Coffee shops a figment of the imagination?
TBH the reasons you cited will make weed more expensive but also quality controlledPeople will pay for quality.

Will there still be a black market? Of course,but nowhere near what we have now...

Just to make things sparkling clear,I actually totally agree with this Chief Constable:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24320717.

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I'm really sorry to hear about your sister in law Marty.Can you please define 'plain fried' though.
Please don't say she's brain damaged and I also take it she never ever drank any alcohol since you are absolutely convinced it was the cannabis? No history of psychiatric problems?
Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626531)
Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.
El gov weed will not need to be more expensive

And yes people will pay more for quality in fact most tokers will

You honestly do not know this subject. That is something to be proud of but you still do not know what you are talking about :)

I do not understand how you are saying el gov weed will be more expensive but then saying it will drive people onto cheaper drugs??

martyh 29-09-2013 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626547)
El gov weed will not need to be more expensive

And yes people will pay more for quality in fact most tokers will

You honestly do not know this subject. That is something to be proud of but you still do not know what you are talking about :)
and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 18:28
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626548)
and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit
absolute rubbish

Will21st 29-09-2013 18:38
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626548)
and you don't know basic economics .The only way that gov weed can be cheaper or as cheap as the illegal stuff is if it was state subsidised ,so what you are asking is for non users to help fund your habit
:dozey: so tiz doesn't understand economics? ROFL,you need to take a look in the mirror...

Prohibition is what makes drugs lucrative in the first place and makes their proliferation in society a certainty.

Like I said,go read up on the subject cause your knowledge is rather limited,to put it mildly.Your arguments and logical conclusions are also far from stellar.

Pierre 29-09-2013 18:39
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35625884)
Twaddle

Cheers

Grim
Sorry, slip of the keyboard.

I mean senior council workers and chief executives, whose salaries in some councils dwarf that of MP's and the PM.

Will21st 29-09-2013 18:43
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626531)
Errmmm no I'm not saying that. Yes SOME people can/will pay for quality and then we'll have the unemployed and needy claiming that the official stuff is too expensive for them to buy so they're forced to buy the cheaper adulterated uncontrolled stuff because our evil penny pinching govt. won't subsidise it. I can see the Guardian headlines now - "Govt. drugs scheme excludes poor and only helps those who can afford it..."

Legalising this stuff isn't going to solve any problems and will likely cause a few more by driving people to buy cheaper, more harmful drugs.
No Osem,legalising will solve a great deal of our crime and violence problem associated with the drugs trade.It will also guarantee purity of product and thereby far less health problems.

Prohibition causes crime,plain and simple.

Osem 29-09-2013 18:54
Re: Just a thought
 
Sorry we'll have to disagree for the reasons I've already mentioned. Sure some people would benefit from purity of product but a whole lot more won't because they can't afford it and will still be prey to dealers who've found part of their business disrupted and are keen to make up for it by one illegal means or another.

In the UK we have the regulated supply of cigarettes yet there are masses of illegal and even more dangerous cigarettes coming into the UK and being smoked every day simply because they're cheaper and there are a) those who'll buy them and b) those who'll stop at nothing to supply them.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...k-8326044.html

Will21st 29-09-2013 19:15
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626556)
Sorry we'll have to disagree for the reasons I've already mentioned. Sure some people would benefit from purity of product but a whole lot more won't because they can't afford it and will still be prey to dealers who've found part of their business disrupted and are keen to make up for it by one illegal means or another.
Only difference being your opinion isn't based in fact or research but assumption. ;)

No hard feelings,prohibition is on it's way out anyway so we'll see soon enough what's going to happen. :)

Sirius 29-09-2013 19:20
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35625764)
There is no link to this thought.

Just thinking we could save a lot of money overnight, by stop paying wages to MPs etc.

Anyone wondered - IF, MPs can claim expenses on everything from decorarting, to catering to cleaning the bogs and even newspapers, whats the point of paying them £100.000 grand per year in wages, what do they do with it.

Even if they fly abroad on holiday - the taxman US, pay for there flights etc.
:LOL: utter codswallop

martyh 29-09-2013 19:24
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626563)
Only difference being your opinion isn't based in fact or research but assumption. ;)

No hard feelings,prohibition is on it's way out anyway so we'll see soon enough what's going to happen. :)
Quote:
  • Cannabis effects how your brain works. It can make you feel very anxious and even paranoid, it can make it difficult for you to concentrate and learn, make your memory worse and make you feel less motivated.
  • Tobacco and cannabis share some of the same chemical 'nasties' and just like smoking tobacco, smoking cannabis has been linked to lung diseases like tuberculosis and lung cancer.
  • Using it has also been linked, in some people, to serious, long-term mental health problems.
http://www.talktofrank.com/drug/cannabis

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  • Even hardcore smokers can become anxious, panicky, suspicious or paranoid.
  • Cannabis affects your co-ordination, which is one of the reasons why drug driving, like drink driving, is illegal.
  • Some people think cannabis is harmless because it’s a plant, but it isn’t harmless. Cannabis, like tobacco, has lots of chemical 'nasties', which, with long-term or heavy use, can cause lung disease and possibly cancer. The risk is greater because cannabis is often mixed with tobacco and smoked without a filter. It can also make asthma worse, and cause wheezing in people without asthma.
  • Cannabis itself can affect many different systems in the body, including the heart. It increases the heart rate and can affect blood pressure.
  • If you have a history of mental health problems, taking cannabis is not a good idea. It can cause paranoia in the short term, but in those with a pre-existing psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, it can contribute to relapse.
  • If you use cannabis and have a family background of mental illness, such as schizophrenia, you may be at increased risk of developing a psychotic illness.
  • It is reported that frequent use of cannabis can cut a man's sperm count and reduce sperm motility. It can suppress ovulation in women and so may affect fertility.
  • If you’re pregnant, smoking cannabis frequently may increase the risk of the baby being born smaller than expected.
  • Regular, heavy use of cannabis makes it difficult to learn and concentrate. Some people begin to feel tired all the time and can't seem to get motivated.
  • Some users buy strong herbal cannabis (also known as skunk) to get ‘a bigger high’. Unpleasant reactions can be more powerful when you use strong cannabis, and it is possible that using strong cannabis repeatedly could increase the risk of harmful effects such as dependence or developing mental health problems.
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/drugs/Pag...isdangers.aspx

reams more research where that comes from

Osem 29-09-2013 19:25
Re: Just a thought
 
@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 19:29
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626568)
All that read like is a possible side effects list off an anti depressant

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626569)
@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that the legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.

Yes because it is cheaper el gove weed can be cheaper better quality and make billions

I seriously think you have no idea how much money is actually involved

martyh 29-09-2013 19:36
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626570)
All that read like is a possible side effects list off an anti depressant
and that is why you are a waste of time ,when given factual evidence you rubbish it because it disagrees with your opinion :rolleyes: and yet you are probably a perfect example of how cannabis affects the brain given the paranoia in some of your posts

tizmeinnit 29-09-2013 19:49
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626572)
and that is why you are a waste of time ,when given factual evidence you rubbish it because it disagrees with your opinion :rolleyes: and yet you are probably a perfect example of how cannabis affects the brain given the paranoia in some of your posts
not at all none of the side effects said you will get them its all mays and mights. Only those susceptible to psychosis will have these effects. There was a recent documentary on it

please feel free to stop wasting your time on me I would like nothing more to never see a response from you again but that is not going to happen is it? Is it cuz you love me?? lol

Will21st 29-09-2013 20:13
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626568)
What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626569)
@ Will - I don't think it's an assumption that despite the heavily regulated supply of tobacco and alcohol in the UK there is still a massive demand for and supply of illegal stuff which is readily available. I'd like to see the facts and research you have which prove that legalising cannabis, for example, will prevent illegal and adulterated varieties still being produced and sold by the very same people doing it now because they can do it cheaper and still make loads of money. I think that's how the concept of supply and demand works.
Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.

GrimUpNorth 29-09-2013 20:53
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35626551)
Sorry, slip of the keyboard.

I mean senior council workers and chief executives, whose salaries in some councils dwarf that of MP's and the PM.
Apology accepted ;). There's many employed in Local Government who earn more than an MP and some who earn more than the PM. I wonder how many Civil Servents are the same - probably quite few.

You've probably guessed I work in Local Government, I wouldn't say I was particularly high up the structure, but looking through the Councillors allowances for last year only the Leader was 'paid' more than me. That makes you wonder how many employees earn more than any of the eleclted Councillors.

Cheers

Grim

Nidge41 30-09-2013 15:31
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35626423)
What I am saying is they appear to have no knowledge on the subject. How can anyone come up with an educated opinion without knowledge on the subject? You can not simples

I have been a cannabis smoker most of my life I know the ins and the outs I know the culture I know how massive it is and unfortunately I know the criminals who make the fortune

I would much rather the billions goes into el govs coffers and not some crook and there are jobs and billions of pounds to be made.

These points are factual not conjecture
There's no point debating with the mods, you'll always be in the wrong.






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Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626588)
What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.
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Yep Boots sell legal highs in a more potent form than cannabis.

You can get one product for as little as £1.50, take some of that and you've got ecstasy

martyh 30-09-2013 15:41
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626588)
What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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so in other words you don't accept the validity of any medical evidence that does not support your view ,just pathetic :rolleyes:

Hugh 30-09-2013 15:48
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35626827)
There's no point debating with the mods, you'll always be in the wrong.
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Yep Boots sell legal highs in a more potent form than cannabis.

You can get one product for as little as £1.50, take some of that and you've got ecstasy
I didn't realise Osem and Martyh were Mods.....:erm:

Will21st 30-09-2013 15:53
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626837)
so in other words you don't accept the validity of any medical evidence that does not support your view ,just pathetic :rolleyes:
No,I'll take my independent medical evidence over your government propaganda that's all.

did you read the CNN Link?

Anyway,here's another from a government that seems to come to it's senses re Cannabis and it's medical effects:

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/29/go...nd-good-health

Happy reading Marty.:)

Hugh 30-09-2013 16:25
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626848)
No,I'll take my independent medical evidence over your government propaganda that's all.

did you read the CNN Link?

Anyway,here's another from a government that seems to come to it's senses re Cannabis and it's medical effects:

http://topinfopost.com/2013/09/29/go...nd-good-health

Happy reading Marty.:)
There doesn't appear to be a link to the actual report, just cherry picked positive highlights.

Update - found the original report by the joy of Google - http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page1

From the summary on Page 4
Quote:
  • There have been only three small clinical trials on the use of Cannabis in cancer patients. All three studies assessed antiemetic activity but each explored a different patient population and chemotherapy regimen. One study demonstrated no effect, the second study showed a positive effect versus placebo, and the report of the third study did not provide enough information to characterize the overall outcome as positive or neutral. Consequently, there are insufficient data to provide an overall level of evidence assessment for the use of Cannabis for chemotherapy-induced N/V. Apparently, there are no published data on the use of Cannabis for other cancer-related or cancer treatment–related symptoms.
  • An increasing number of trials are evaluating the sublingual administration of whole Cannabis plant extract with fixed concentrations of cannabinoid components.
  • At present, there is insufficient evidence to recommend inhaling Cannabis as a treatment for cancer-related symptoms or cancer treatment–related side effects.
Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx

martyh 30-09-2013 16:42
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35626867)

From the summary on Page 4 [/LIST]Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx
Strange, that link says pretty much exactly the same (just more detail)as the "government propoganda" i posted ,i have a strange suspicion that every impartial piece of credible research will say the same too ;)

Will21st 30-09-2013 16:47
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35626867)
There doesn't appear to be a link to the actual report, just cherry picked positive highlights.

Update - found the original report by the joy of Google - http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...essional/page1

From the summary on Page 4 [/LIST]Here's another, slightly more balanced, viewpoint - enjoy...

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvic.../cannabis.aspx
Thank you Hugh,you're barking up the wrong tree with that stuff though. ;) I'm not the one who doesn't read that stuff.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626873)
Strange, that link says pretty much exactly the same (just more detail)as the "government propoganda" i posted ,i have a strange suspicion that every impartial piece of credible research will say the same too ;)
So,read the CNN report yet Marty or read up the legal principles I hinted at? No? Yeah,thought so.
By the way,I didn't realise your Talk to Frank link talks about medicinal benefits of Cannabis in any depth,interesting.

martyh 30-09-2013 17:03
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626874)

So,read the CNN report yet Marty or read up the legal principles I hinted at? No? Yeah,thought so.
By the way,I didn't realise your Talk to Frank link talks about medicinal benefits of Cannabis in any depth,interesting.
so ,you posted a link that supports your view point ,doesn't make everyone else wrong does it ?

Will21st 30-09-2013 17:16
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626887)
so ,you posted a link that supports your view point ,doesn't make everyone else wrong does it ?
Ok,I've read your links,have you read mine? You're still not answering my question.

By the way,just to make this clear,I have never,and will never declare any drug harmless or non-damaging.All drugs can be dangerous,that fact just comes with the very fact of them being what they are.

Osem 30-09-2013 17:24
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626588)
What,from talktofrank? You don't really expect me to take them seriously,do you? And what the NHS describes could indeed be the side effects of any other medication. Nothing there that warrants prohibition

I could,btw,link you to tons of research on the medical benefits of cannabis,but K doubt they'd interest you,but here's a tidbit anyway.I hope you read it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/he...ana/index.html

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Ok,please show me the reports and statistics on the amount of Murders,Armed Robberies,Thefts and other assorted crime that can be linked to the supply/distribution of alcohol and tobacco or the procurement of it.

Will there be a black market still? Absolutely,but nowhere near of today's size and scope.Why would u buy XTC or Cocaine from a dealer when you can buy the ICI produced merchandise from Boots that has guaranteed quality.... Very few people will,just as most people in NL buy from the coffee shops and most people here buy legal fags.
How does asking me that answer the question I asked you? Where's your fact based evidence and research that in the UK a change in the law as being discussed wouldn't have the results I'm suggesting? Where's your fact based research that all the dealers and criminals will just let it happen right in front of their noses when there's nothing to stop them carrying on with the supply of more potent versions of the drug which HMG decides it can't sanction the production of, especially when they can and will do it cheaper. As I've already stated more than once, I accept that some people, maybe many, will switch to officially controlled stuff (which is a good thing) but there will be those who don't and the logical reaction of the dealers will be to fight back. I'd imagine cost will be a major factor in who does what and that's why many people are walking around our towns and cities smoking cheap adulterated fags and drinking cheap adulterated booze despite the very well known dangers of so doing. That's the main reason they'd buy ICI produced XTC or cocaine from a dealer as opposed to Boots and unless that's dealt with the problem will remain and the **** involved will adapt their businesses just like they always do.

Anyway we seem to be going round in circles so like I said, we'll just have to beg to differ on this and accept that only time will tell. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the UK turning into Holland anytime soon... ;)

martyh 30-09-2013 17:25
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626895)
Ok,I've read your links,have you read mine? You're still not answering my question.

By the way,just to make this clear,I have never,and will never declare any drug harmless or non-damaging.All drugs can be dangerous,that fact just comes with the very fact of them being what they are.
i've just bloody read your cnn link for it was worth ,and yes it backs up your view point, so bloody what ,i repeat ,it doesn't make everyone else wrong .You will find just as much research for cannabis use as you will find against it .Your problem is that you don't accept anyone elses view as valid

Will21st 30-09-2013 20:29
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35626900)
How does asking me that answer the question I asked you? Where's your fact based evidence and research that in the UK a change in the law as being discussed wouldn't have the results I'm suggesting? Where's your fact based research that all the dealers and criminals will just let it happen right in front of their noses when there's nothing to stop them carrying on with the supply of more potent versions of the drug which HMG decides it can't sanction the production of, especially when they can and will do it cheaper. As I've already stated more than once, I accept that some people, maybe many, will switch to officially controlled stuff (which is a good thing) but there will be those who don't and the logical reaction of the dealers will be to fight back. I'd imagine cost will be a major factor in who does what and that's why many people are walking around our towns and cities smoking cheap adulterated fags and drinking cheap adulterated booze despite the very well known dangers of so doing. That's the main reason they'd buy ICI produced XTC or cocaine from a dealer as opposed to Boots and unless that's dealt with the problem will remain and the **** involved will adapt their businesses just like they always do.

Anyway we seem to be going round in circles so like I said, we'll just have to beg to differ on this and accept that only time will tell. Just don't hold your breath waiting for the UK turning into Holland anytime soon... ;)
I'm not hoping it to turn into the Netherlands any time soon .;)

Since you're the one suggesting that all sorts of stuff might happen if we lift prohibition I'm asking you to back it up with facts,figures and research.

My facts are the Lifting of alcohol prohibition and the Dutch Cannabis model.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626901)
i've just bloody read your cnn link for it was worth ,and yes it backs up your view point, so bloody what ,i repeat ,it doesn't make everyone else wrong .You will find just as much research for cannabis use as you will find against it .Your problem is that you don't accept anyone elses view as valid
Oh,you've bloody read it... Well,jolly good. Still all worked up though,this must really be getting to you.

Still haven't read a single,solitary piece of information that supports prohibition. Good Night.;)

martyh 30-09-2013 21:03
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will21st (Post 35626979)



Oh,you've bloody read it... Well,jolly good. Still all worked up though,this must really be getting to you.

Still haven't read a single,solitary piece of information that supports prohibition. Good Night.;)
Not surprising since you won't look for any because "it will all be wrong and total rubbish anyway"

Will21st 30-09-2013 21:39
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626999)
Not surprising since you won't look for any because "it will all be wrong and total rubbish anyway"
No, just no reason to support prohibition,that's all. ;)

tizmeinnit 08-10-2013 15:50
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35626453)
Both of you can prattle on as much as you like and try to justify your addictions but there is just as much counter evidence to say it is bad for you in any form and having seen the state of people i know to have been addicted to cannabis i know what evidence i prefer to believe.
Just for point of reference this so called drug addict has stopped smoking cannabis just like that

martyh 08-10-2013 16:47
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35629520)
Just for point of reference this so called drug addict has stopped smoking cannabis just like that
well i haven't had a fag for nearly 3 weeks doesn't mean i've quit .

tizmeinnit 08-10-2013 16:48
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629554)
well i haven't had a fag for nearly 3 weeks doesn't mean i've quit .
you are a funny man marty funny peculiar not funny ha ha ;)

martyh 08-10-2013 16:58
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35629555)
you are a funny man marty funny peculiar not funny ha ha ;)
if you think not having a joint or a fag for a few days means you've quit then you are mistaken ,come back in a couple of years and then you get the pat on the back

tizmeinnit 08-10-2013 17:01
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629560)
if you think not having a joint or a fag for a few days means you've quit then you are mistaken ,come back in a couple of years and then you get the pat on the back
oh I gave up cigarettes 23 years ago oh and its not missed by me that even with all the name calling you actually really are a drug addict ;)

Come back in a couple of years when you actually are not and preach ;)

All that money on ciggies and all you get is to feel normal that is true addiction. At least when I smoked pot I got a buzz ;)

martyh 08-10-2013 17:11
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35629562)
oh I gave up cigarettes 23 years ago oh and its not missed by me that even with all the name calling you actually really are a drug addict ;)

Come back in a couple of years when you actually are not and preach ;)

All that money on ciggies and all you get is to feel normal that is true addiction. At least when I smoked pot I got a buzz ;)
The difference is i have never denied it and i am not championing making an illegal drug legal

tizmeinnit 08-10-2013 17:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629571)
The difference is i have never denied it and i am not championing making an illegal drug legal
It does not matter what you say now you are really an addict you only think I am ;)

martyh 08-10-2013 17:36
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35629576)
It does not matter what you say now you are really an addict you only think I am ;)
I know you are ,you admitted being a regular user for most of your life,that makes you an addict .Your addiction is just as, if not more harmful than mine and yours is illegal .I don't try to pretend that smoking isn't as harmful as the experts say and yet you have provided pages of links from dubious sources claiming that cannabis is not harmful .

tizmeinnit 08-10-2013 17:39
Re: Just a thought
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tizmeinnit (Post 35629562)
oh I gave up cigarettes 23 years ago oh and its not missed by me that even with all the name calling you actually really are a drug addict ;)

Come back in a couple of years when you actually are not and preach ;)

All that money on ciggies and all you get is to feel normal that is true addiction. At least when I smoked pot I got a buzz ;)
Just for point of reference I am only saying to marty what he has already said to me in this thread

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629593)
I know you are ,you admitted being a regular user for most of your life,that makes you an addict .Your addiction is just as, if not more harmful than mine and yours is illegal .I don't try to pretend that smoking isn't as harmful as the experts say and yet you have provided pages of links from dubious sources claiming that cannabis is not harmful .
no it does not it makes me a user. Not being able to live without it would make me a addict and I can so I am not. You can only get a psychological addiction anyway with ciggies it is physical

Anyway I am off to Kung Fu now have a nice evening

Gary L 08-10-2013 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629593)
I know you are ,you admitted being a regular user for most of your life,that makes you an addict .
Does that work with sex too?

martyh 08-10-2013 17:48
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Paul 08-10-2013 18:31
Re: Just a thought
 
Stop acting like bloody children, both of you, or face the admin wrath. :mad:


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