Spare Super Hub, would like to Clone Working Super Hub Downstairs
 

Hi,

Apology if this has been answered before but i cant seem to find a answer.

Ive got a spare Super Hub(from my previous place) and i would like to clone the MAC address of the Super Hub thats working downstairs so i can either use it as a modem and connect a 4 port switch or use it as it is router (can i use the wifi function too? ).

ive split the main coaxial cable out side and have bought it upstairs.

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You cannot use the spare Super Hub, at least not legally, and if there is a dodgy way of doing this it can't be discussed on the forum. Consider the old hub a brick and recycle it. It should really have been offered for return to VM when your old property's services were terminated.

We should also point out that the co-axial cables are strictly speaking only to be altered by VM. Get it wrong and you could get a bill from VM for fixing it, and worse, you could be introducing issues into the VM network that affect your own and your neighbour's services.

Re: Spare Super Hub, would like to Clone Working Super Hub Downstairs
 

oooops my bad.

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You can easily use it as a switch and second wifi access point to extend both your wired and wireless network range.

You could theoretically use it as a router but there's no good reason to. Having more than one router on a typical home network is almost always a bad idea.

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I'm not so sure about this? You'd have to disable DHCP on it, which Virgin doesn't allow. Or let it do the DHCP and use the first superhub in modem mode but that seems largely pointless.

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From memory you can set the SH to use an IP range other than the default so you could use two different subnets each with its own DCHP server. I do that with a FON router.

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Are you sure about the dhcp part? If your correct why is there an option in the GUI to disable dhcp, bearing in mind this is a VM custom gui?

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Well now I'm not so sure at all, haha.

Re: Spare Super Hub, would like to Clone Working Super Hub Downstairs
 

how do i go about use it as a switch and second wifi access point to extend both your wired and wireless network range. as mentioned by qasdfdsaq.

thank you in advance for everyone whos responded.
much appreciated

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You don't have to disable DHCP but you certainly can, there's nothing Virgin can do to allow or disallow it. Even if they stopped you changing the setting on the Superhub itself (it certainly used to let you disable DHCP) Virgin do not control your computer.

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Last I checked the option to disable DHCP in the GUI did exactly what it says on the tin.

Re: Spare Super Hub, would like to Clone Working Super Hub Downstairs
 

Then I stand corrected, I thought the option was hidden.

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Perhaps they did just as bad a job of hiding it as they did with the rest of the Super Hub :P

Mod Edit.

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I don't agree with Rob. After 90 days, it becomes abandoned property with which you can do as you please.

BTW, and the brainios here might help you further, if you factory reset the SH1 it will be at firmware R19. You can then SSH into it and do all sorts of things. One or two on this forum (not me) have done this before.

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Really?! Factory reset rewrites the firmware?! That's an odd way to do things...

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Yet another intriguing gem!

"rewrites"? Did you infer that from Seph's post (because that's neither what he said from my limited comprehension nor I doubt what he even "infered"!) OR from someone/somewhere else? :rolleyes:

So yes it would seem odd…. but as you know I'm almost as clueless as yourself (perhaps) so what is the boot loader sequence, and in which part of NVRAM does the firmware reside and does the FR simply flip the index into NVRAM to point towards the alternative firmware location, because logic (pun) suggests there's a choice of at least two locations to select from and load into working memory? So is it "re-write" all the firmware, "re-load" different firmware, rewrites the indexes or does "re-write" mean something different in your perceived context?
Just curious…. again…… ;)

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What I am "inferring" is "not on my Superhub it doesn't"

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Then we should note this memorable moment in history where I suspect at least 3 of us will agree on 1 small thing - thanks for the clarification. ;)

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New ones turn up on R19 or at least they used to but once that has been updated over the wire then SFAIK there is no way back to R19.

I've factory reset them in the past when firmware glitches corrupted the port forwarding I'd set up and that didn't alter the firmware so far as I recall. I guess it's possible that there is an area of eprom memory with R19 in them still and corrupting the live firmware may just cause it to revert to that but how you'd force that I've no idea. Maybe as QAS has had them apart and checked the chips he can say if there is an eprom in them than may contain the original firmware?

TBH hardware wise a cheapo £30 Tenda leaves the thing standing so I'd see messing with it only worthwhile for somebody who enjoyed playing rather than for someone who placed any value on their time.

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Not neccessary to ask QAS as that info is already in the public domain however forum t&c's prevent disclosing the source although I hope just publishing a small extract is still acceptable for academic purposes only:

"With interactive access obtained it was possible to explore the eCos (embedded configurable OS) device further. From this interactive console state it was possible to read and write to the flash chip and resident memory; meaning it was possible to obtain the compressed firmware images. From the eCos CLI it was possible to extract the contents of the flash chip meaning that the compressed firmware, backup firmware, boot loader could be downloaded as well as dynamic and permanent (non-user definable) storage areas. Additionally by exploring the read_memory command it was possible to extract the uncompressed OS as it was running from resident memory on the device. MD5 sums of the extracted files from the flash storage can be seen in the terminal output below".

Of course reverse engineering any product from any vendor is invariably a contravention of service provider and/or manufacturers t&c's!

EDIT: ….and the ability to index two firmware images is by no means specific to a model or even category of network equipment as I also found a similar scenario on my (albeit still Netgear managed switch)!:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/14.png

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Is this legally correct?

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I think that's the law regarding Unsolicited goods, but I don't believe that's the case here. I have no idea though, either way I don't think Virgin bothers tracking them down unless they appear on ebay or similar.

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My loft is lined with aluminum foil. I think it was done to reduce heat transmission but with luck it will help hide the various defunct Superhubs and modems I stashed there in case the VM stock control system ever requested returns. Perhaps I should send VM an invoice for storage?

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wonder what else ya growing up there lol

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The base firmware is GPL and therefore freely and openly available to any member of the public. Technically VM are obliged to release the source code of their modified version to the public as well and they're violating the license by *not* doing so.

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