Great when 120Mb works.
 

I just downloaded a 1.71Gb video file via a torrent in less than a minute. The rate maxed at exactly 15MB a second. I calculate 15MB x 8 as 120Mb.

This is ample justification for having 120Mb. My download time minimised my presence on our local network to less than a minute. Even though I was hogging bandwidth I doubt if anyone noticed.

Sorry for gloating, but it is good to have positive comments here too.

Re: Great when 120Mb works.
 

i max out almost all the time.

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I would like faster speeds.

Downloading 10GB+ still means lengthy wait times :(

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I get those speeds when i download from a private tracker, i have given up on newsgroups as there are far to many take doqwns these days :)

Even if i get STM'd i can still hit above 70 meg :)

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I get those speeds on newsgroups quite regularly but I don't mind a bit of fluctuation as it usually happens at night, when "Series Link", as I like to call it, picks up new epsiodes and films I've been wanting to watch.

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Funny enough that's how most companies are currently budgeting for the limited capacity on their 4G networks to work. They don't let you download more, just faster, so you're done quicker and leave the network empty more of the time for everyone else.

It's a concept that also exists in CPU and battery optimization :P

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Yeah. I've been using Torrent Day, private trackers for a few weeks now. Since then I have been getting 10MB+

Interesting. VM traffic management won't be thinking that way unfortunately.

At 120Mb you would download 10Gb just over 10 minutes. You looking for faster than that?

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That is impressive! Considering I can only get a GB done in 1 min 4 seconds. so what's the secret?

I get the same speed as you 15MB/sec also

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It should've taken 1.9 minutes to download 1710MB even at a full 15MB. I am unable to explain why it took less than 1 minute. Perhaps the tracker isn't reading the file size correctly.

Edit.............................................. .......................

Nope it's not that. The file is 1.71Gb. Dunno!

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Fair enough. No idea then! Super fast 120 :)

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Isnt the profile for 120mb something like 133mbit? So you should be able to squeeze out a bit more if all the stars are aligned etc etc :)

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i get about 125mb

see the speedtest in my signature

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I think most of us on 120Mb get 125 or 126Mb in speed tests. This is because our modems are configured to 130Mb.

However, I have yet to see that convert to downloading a file at 15.75MB per second. Maybe someone has.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/28.png

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Yes I get 130 through DUNmeter but around 126. I have got 128 in the past. Usually my files are about 15/16MB/sec

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Compression. Lots of empty space or repetition in the file that can be reduced.

If it was random or already compressed data then you'd have to download that file at 28.5MB/sec to have it finish in 60 seconds, or it'd take 1.9 minutes as you say @ 15MB/sec.

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Simply put. Twas magic :D

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When you want to download and watch a film, 5+ minutes is still too long to wait.

I can't wait for the time when 5-10GB can be done in under a minute, 30 seconds ideally.

And still there's UHD files to come along with even bigger files when we hit max resolutions.

Re: Great when 120Mb works.
 

So don't wait!. Start the download - wait a minute or so - and let VLC player open it - it'll download as you watch it :)

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I dont really trust speedtest.net anymore.

Most of the time it tells me im getting 93mb yet can max out to 15mb/s. I tend to use the one on Thinkbroadband it seems to give me a better reading.

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Yes

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It's 133. However you won't get the full speed with a file download because the way you normally download files has additional overheads. The 133Mbit is the payload rate coming out the DOCSIS modem.

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Clearly you're the type that's too impatient to go to the cinema, or take a bus...

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From newsgroups using SABNzbd I often get 133Mbps or about 16.7MB/s, whether that is a false reading I don't know, but the downloading is often done before I even check

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There will always be a need for more speed, there always has and there always will be. It doesn't matter if you're waiting 5 seconds, 5 minutes or 5 hours for a film to download, you work with what you've got and you plan accordingly but it's always nice to have more.

If you want instant access, there's absolutely nothing stopping you streaming that content other than the content being available from a provider like netflix - and then, you really do only have a few seconds to wait. If you want to download and keep those films, then that's your choice but there will always be a wait for it because there's no such thing as an infinite, instant connection.

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a possible explanation. Thanks I hadn't thought of that.

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?

I regularly go to the cinema, by car :/

I meant when you sit down and are ready to watch a film, staring at a screen for 5-10 mins is no fun...

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I prefer quality, hence I do not use Netflix.

Most of the time my films are via Blu-Ray however if it starts raining or the weather goes bad a option is to download a film, which takes a long time.

Also considering files will only get bigger, especially with UHD and then pushing resolutions even further will only create massive video files.

I'd say anything from 1Gb to 10Gb connections will do fine, eventually, they will be available..

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Your logic doesn't make sense. You admit to watching blu-rays generally - these do not magically and instantly appear as you need them, you have to either order them on-line or go out and buy them. Either way, there's a substantial wait involved, from at least 24hours if ordering online to a few hours drive to the shop. Even if you happen to live next door to an Asda, you can't realistically expect to go in, pick a film, pay for it and get out in less than 5 mins. Yet you don't generally sit there and think that you fancy watching a film, then go to the shops and buy one, you tend to buy them in advance with the intention of watching them later. Why are online downloads so different? You download the films you want to watch in advance and they're there for you when you need them. So what if it takes 5 mins to download, you should really have a few downloaded at a time (at least) to watch when you're ready.

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I use LoveFilm so I have films queued and I know when they will arrive and what days I will have a film to watch, so this in some ways is "planned" as they send out 3 discs at a time. So whenever I have time to watch a film, usually once every couple of days, I can watch it and by the time I have sent it back and have time to watch another, the next one is sent so I have 3 again to choose from.

If i download a film, its usually because someone recommended it or like I said friends/family come round and want to watch a film.

Then, a ~5GB would require a wait.

Also, even with programs/games/drivers/software.

These can easily be 200MB - GB's.


And you forget that with 4K and 8K in the near future, as well as console game downloads and so on, files are only ever getting bigger.

e.g.

Uncompressed 4K trailer of "The Amazing Spiderman" = 500GB.

A trailer. 500GB.

Try downloading that even with 120Mb & STM kicking in too.

Doubt you would even see the trailer that afternoon.

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Of course the trailer is 500Gb, it's uncompressed. An uncompressed SD film uses over 100GB of space - for Standard Definition, yet ****** MPEG2 compression can knock that down to fit on a DVD. Uncompressed HD films would take up nearly 1TB of space, depending on the length of the film (Some even going over that) yet the majority fit just fine on a 25GB disk and most downloads are under 15GB for 1080p. The size of uncompressed video is completely and utterly irrelevant. This is why we have compression like h.264 and the new h.265, which has twice the compression ratio at the same quality as h.264 - this means that 4k films will work out to be about twice the size of 1080p (So what, 30GB or less?), not several TB's.

Either way, you're still going to be in the same boat if your connection doubles or triples, you'll still have to wait for the files to download if you're not going to stream it. You have to make a tradeoff, you can have the best quality or instant acccess - you cannot have both. That's just how it is. You will always have to decide what you want to watch in advance if downloading. What I don't understand is why you seem unable to do this, you can do it with Blu-rays, so why not downloads?
If your friends come over and recommend a film to watch, they won't expect you to have it there, or they'll accept that quality won't necessarily be 1080p because it has to be streamed.

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A 5GB HD Movie would take 40 seconds on a 1Gb connection.

These speeds are available in certain countries.

Double that speed and its around 20 seconds.

This is what I am saying will be needed when files get bigger and larger.

My point is, you cannot simply say "faster speeds are not needed" as they clearly are.

I am also not saying I expect these speeds tomorrow.

They will take time some time but they will be here as they are needed.

I would IDEALLY want all downloads in 30 seconds - 1 minute.

That is my personal preference.

With Games and Movies growing in size, connection speeds need to keep up.

Understand?

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I understand what you're trying to say, but you're missing my point entirely. You do not NEED to have any of that downloaded within 30s or 1min. You can wait 5, 10, 20 or even 60minutes if necessary because that's just how the internet works. Faster speeds would be nice, but to claim that they're necessary just so you can download an UHD film in under a minute is ridiculous - that is not necessary and you have plenty of ways to mitigate that need to have a file in 30s, such as deciding ahead of time what you want to watch or downloading films into your library ahead of time.
Or streaming them. Even in UHD, at 30GB for a 90min film, you only need a 50mbit connection to stream that in real time. There's absolutely no need for a 1gbit connection, it's purely about convenience that you're talking about.

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But the 20 minutes staring at the windshield, 5 minutes staring at the guy in the queue in front of you, couple minutes staring at the parking meter or 20 minutes staring at a screen you can't control force feeding you adverts is perfectly OK?

Re: Great when 120Mb works.
 

I can stream 4k's quite happily even when STM'd I think you have a fault if you can't

4K video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_okcNVZqqI

You can download the 3072P version which is 430MB - not long even under STM on the 120 package!

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Either that, you were mistaken about the time taken, or some of the torrent was already downloaded.

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Erm, I think I can judge what I *need* and don't need.

For example, I need a mobile phone but I don't need a tablet.

I have a need for faster Internet connections & don't like leaving my PC on for 5, 10, 15, 30+ minutes waiting for something to download.

Streaming is not an option because of quality issues.

It's like saying you don't need a car that can go 70 on the motorway because you can set off earlier and go at 30 :/

Not everything can be pre planned, I can't know that some friends my want to come over tomorrow evening and maybe a comedy film is needed. I can't possibly know or plan this :/

I remember the days of downloading music on 56K connections.

Would take an absolute age, now it takes what, 1-5 seconds?

Would you still be saying that we don't need faster than 56K because you don't see the urgency?

I fully understand perhaps faster speeds would be too inconvenient and instant for you, however personally I would prefer to download movies like I can now download songs and what I am saying is that I'm sure speeds will only ever get faster while files are getting bigger. And when they are introduced, I will be ready to sign up.

Whether that's with BT & 300Mb or faster or with what VM will be testing.

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I enjoy driving, I'm lucky to have a very nice car and friends who have good chat.

We always spend time in the arcade / machines / table tennis etc so ads are skipped. Trailers are worthwhile to watch to discover new films.

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Please enlighten me where I state streaming or downloading anything is not possible?

Even though you can't actually benefit from streaming 4K right now :/

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I think you'll find any quality on youtube is equivalent to one or two steps down in any actually legitimate format. A 1080p BluRay for example is usually between four and eight times the bitrate of a 1080p Youtube video. Even your 4K inkdrops video is barely 1080p quality. Even TV quality 4K with the latest ultra-HD HEVC codec takes 85Mbps to transmit adequately - that's over three times the bitrate Youtube uses and using an advanced encoder that's far more efficient than what Youtube uses.

I actually once scaled down a 1080p Youtube video to 720p and back again and nobody could tell the difference.

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So back then you survived just fine not being able to download movies in a day, yet now you "need" to be able to? And assuming you're over 15 years old, you probably didn't have a mobile phone 15 years ago yet you're still alive, what makes you "need" that any more than some third world child who's never even seen a mobile phone?

Has society changed that much in ten years that being unable to download a movie in 5 minutes or spam facebook every 30 seconds now makes you a leper?

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Are you suggesting none of us are rich enough to afford 27" screen?

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I didn't need to download movies "back then". I had no interest in them apart from whatever was on TV.

A mobile phone is needed, at least for work purposes. Something a kid dosent need. But someone who works does.

My needs are different to yours. I find it inconvenient having to wait longer and longer for downloads.

It would be nice to download faster.

I fully understand some people are against advancements / choices.

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I'm assuming no one on here has 4K capable screen that they use to stream '4K' YouTube videos, or even a 27" one.

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Considering how much you're going on about "needing" this, yet by your very claim that "need" isn't being fulfilled, you seem to be doing all right. I don't think you know what "need" actually means.

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It's a want right now and when's it's available it will be a need.

What can I say, I don't like download wait times at current speeds and current file sizes.

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Finally - the real reason.

Not sure why, but now can we just move onto a interesting thread?

I bet this guy leaves his mobile on most of the time - even though batterys explode more today than they ever did.

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???? That's always been the reason :/

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What you dont want to leave your PC on for long periods so you want faster download speed?

Sorry but a rather odd reason unless you have fear of fire or electrical cost OCD in which case go see a doctor.

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I always want the best download speeds so my porn doesnt buffer, as for the upload speed, well... use your imagination there ;)

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Possibly speed becomes an end in itself, certainly in my case. Faster feels better even though we all know that for the most part a reliable symmetrical connection of 60Mb with low ping and no jitter is all you would ever really want or need. So what if 2Gb takes nearly 5 minutes instead of just over 2 minutes? Safe to say your porn ain't gonna buffer slowly at 60Mb.

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Why would I want to leave my 1200W PC running?

You do realise it can turn my room into a Suana?

But if Steam releases a new game or a new driver, update or whatever it may be, personally I don't like staring at a screen.

Like I said before, if you dont need your downloads faster, why even bother having Virgin Media?

Why not go for a free broadband package?

Why did companies even bother allowing us choice for faster connections than 56K?

Personally, PERSONALLY, I would like to download large files, 5-10GB+ like I can download music files.

That's just how I PERSONALLY feel.

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Your 1200W PSU does not run at 1200W 24/7. It will draw whatever power it requires at the time. If you have a relatively modern PC, it will idle somewhere around 50W.

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My idle is around 200W.

I don't have a modern PC.

I have a High-End PC.

But I guess that's too off-topic to discuss here.

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Those two are not mutually exclusive. In any case 200W and 1200W are vastly different.

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A modern PC is not always a high spec PC.

A modern PC is one which would have a balance of performance and power usuage or is simply 'new'.

Most Modern PCs may have a decent CPU but lack a good GPU, Hard Drive and/or RAM.

Hence they can be different.

I shall end this here, as it isn't worth going into.

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I'm not sure you know what "mutually exclusive" means.

You can have a high-spec pc that is modern. In fact, for a machine to be high-spec, it has to be somewhat modern as that's just how technology works (this doesn't apply to all fields but it does to gaming PCs).

In any case, it doesn't matter how powerful your PC is, it doesn't draw full power at all times (unless you've done something silly), which is exactly the point. Yes, you might have a beefy graphics card and some high-speed RAM but unless you're actually using them in some capacity, their power draw will be somewhat minimal.

Either way, the fact that you're now trying to justify wanting an infinitely fast connection just so you don't have to run your computer for an extra 30 minutes because it's apparently "too powerful" shows just how spurious your logic is. If power or heat is a concern to you, invest in a microserver or similar.

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You mean like the one I have just had installed? Makes a good backup line. I never said I didn't need faster downloads. I just don't have an issue with 1GB taking a minute - which you seem to.

You can have any speed you want if you have the wonga to play for it - if this is a " I want 10gbps both ways unlimited for my £30 a month" cry then jog on.

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Good point..

get one of these and then you don't have to wait!

okay so only 100/100 sorry about that but for £3 a month you can get what you need and stream it - no need to wait for it to download and the server runs 24/7

http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml

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You're just being a bit silly now.

I have no issue with 1GB taking a minute.

I have an 'issue' when, lets say, I decide to download a big file and then it's going to take what, 5 Mins+.

I have seen the massive difference between speeds 10 years ago when it came to downloading a music file and speeds now.

The difference is many minutes of waiting to pretty much instant.

ALL I SAID was that it will be good to see faster speeds so that this can be true with pretty much any file size.

And clearly those speeds are offered, for example 1Gb/1Gb for $70 in the US.

That's what, £45 a month or so?

Hardly more than VM charge for 100 (120) @ £35.

And while I understand many factors when it comes to price I have never stated I want these speeds 'cheaply'.

That is just you being immature and trying to 'be funny'.

I have expressed an interest in advancements of technology, whatever it may be.

Having choice is a good thing, if you don't want faster speeds then should that mean no one gets the option?

ISPs will move with the times and offer faster.

When they do and when it's available, I'll be ready to sign up.

I don't see how you can appose it, or have an issue with it. Someone having a connection faster than what you deem as 'adequate' will affect you in what way exactly?

:/

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Again, you are just getting carried away right now.

A high end PC does NOT have to be a modern PC.

In fact a year old PC could beat a brand new modern PC.

If I start to download something and its taking a while, a quick spin of GTA IV will mean significantly more power output. Staring a screen for 10+ minutes is no fun.

And you have blown it out of proportion.

Please explain where I have said I want a "infinitely" fast connection?

I said speeds in relation to file sizes.

That's the key point.

File sizes are getting bigger and taking longer.

See my point about music downloads years ago and now. Massive difference.

It would be good to have that with 10GB+ downloads, as you could with let's say a 1Gb or 2Gb connection.

I never said I want these speeds tomorrow.

I know they will take time but its obvious they are coming.

Simply having that choice is great.

If you don't like convenience and quicker downloads, that's fine by me.

However other people would prefer the convenience and just because that's different to what you regard as adequate, shouldn't mean it's wrong.

I welcome progress and making things seamless.

I can't actually believe there are people out there who like load/wait times.

It's good to know those kind of people aren't the ones behind corporations who try to introduce innovation and advancements.

Afterall, a national 1Gb service that's affordable would mean slower speeds see a price drop.

Years ago £20+ a month got you what, 56K? 128Kbps?

Now look what you get.

Faster speeds have led to more value for money, especially those who don't need faster speeds.

Honestly can't believe some people would argue against having faster and better.

Beyond me :/

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Sorry - I fell asleep during the first 2 lines.. :)

Still bores me reading anymore - so I won't read anymore :)

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Speed has been abysmal for a couple of days, rebooting the modem and router seems to have fixed it. Loving the ping. :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/18.png

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Love my 120mb connection! Wish I could get the full 120mb on my ipad3 (latest one). I got Superhub 2 last week but only get 40mb max on wireless on ipad.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/08/17.png

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Downloads are great. VM seem to be more on quantity. I have real trouble streaming anything thesedays :(

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Well, the server is basically next to you >.<

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I'm sure everyone loves their speeds at 11am in the morning! :P

iPad 3 isn't the latest one.

I've hit 82Mb on my iPhone 5...

Re: Great when 120Mb works.
 

You don't really need to post the same issue to two separate threads. Anyway, the issue is the ipad 3 doesn't support higher speeds, simple as that.

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Pah, my android phone gets double that, if not more.

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Double 82Mb ?

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Double 40. Could probably get double 82 too to be honest, but I don't have a gigabit connection to test with anymore.

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Double 40 isn't hard as I've already done it on my iP5...

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We know, you said that already.