Sky Fibre and VM BB
 

Ok I am vague on what I need to use both these together

I have looked at dual wan routers but I have seen that some only switch to one wan when the other net connection drops. Am I right in assuming I need a bonding router? does anyone have any experience of these? anyone use one? anyone used VM and SKY fibre together?

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You can't use a bonding router on its own as you need bonding to be supported at the ISP as well. Service such as Shareband appear to do something along the right lines.

I used a dual WAN router to load balance across a VM and ADSL connection but had problem with secure sites as they need all traffic to come from one IP address. The router allowed me to specify a particular WAN for a specific target IP address but then failed of course if the WAN specified went down.

I abandoned the project in the end...

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This works ;)

http://www.clearfoundation.com/Software/overview.html

http://www.clearcenter.com/support/d...uide/multi-wan

I have had this working no problem at all when i used torrents

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Sirius, yes, that would work and looks to be very similar to pfSense.
However, my gripe about this is the cost of running a server 24 X 7 to do this. I used to think a server didn't add much to the electricity bill until I replaced it with a NAS.
Frankly I was shocked at the drop in electricity consumption, hence the reluctance in reinstating this as a software solution.
I'm looking at the Vigor 3200, which should do all I need and hopefully have fairly low running costs to boot :)

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Well after long deliberations I've actually purchased a TP-Link TL-ER5120 Multi WAN Router.
Installed last night and so far so good. Both VM and BT connected without any hassle, and I configured my RT-66 as a Wireless Access Point for the router.

NOTE!! This does not do bonding, just Load Balancing and Failover!!

However, there is an awful lot of configuration to be done yet, so I expect this router to perform even better once I've had a chance to get my head around the many features :)

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That means while I'm waiting for BT to move my VDSL incoming, you'll have cracked optimum and I can freeload off you, Adduxi!

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LOL, not a problem Seph!

Being an 'Enterprise' unit, it is full of options I don't understand, and many I don't need. But so far, it is performing everything I wanted, i.e. Dual WAN and has given me no problems so far. The only downside is I can't see any options to send the traffic logs to my Syslog server.... :)

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A bit overkill considering you could do the same on a £10 router which costs £4 a year in electricity to run...

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Overkiil is good ......
Informative as ever, cheers ;)

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Helpful as ever is the way I might have put it - in the same vein! ;)

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You didn't ask for help, you just went ahead and bought something then said it's got tons of stuff you don't need but not something you do!

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I don't see the point in your knocking Adduxi for his choice. It's negative and unhelpful.

BTW, he chose it for a prime purpose that a £10 router could not reliably handle. Indeed what reliable £10 Multi-WAN router is out there? I can afford to waste that to see if it does the job as you dsay it will.

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Correct and right, your Honor. It's a fair cop ..... :)

In fairness though, not being an expert, I didn't know a £10 router could do Dual WAN. Everything I looked at was a tad more expensive.

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So I could bond two superhubs for a tenner? How, what, where?

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Jeez, Adduxi - what you doing giving Qasi credit for his remarks?

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Ive given up on the idea btw lol lol

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LOL!! I know, I'm just too easy going ..... :)

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I don't see the point in your knocking me for my choice. It's negative and unhelpful.

But my point is it's something a £10 router could reliably handle, if not better.

Any router that runs OpenWRT or modern editions of DD-WRT. Prime example being the DIR-615. You can set it up with 50 WANs if you dare.

Start here: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start

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See I don't tend to rely on companies marketing their own proprietary implementations of basic concepts at any price, particularly where I know all WANs of any type on non-rack routers are essentially software functions.

Hence I prefer to go for standard, open, tried and trusted implementations. In this case, anything that runs Linux can support dual-WAN (or any number of WANs). Linux software has long been an industry standard for network-heavy and complex tasks - anywhere that needs powerful, reliable, and flexible routing of any kind will inevitably run Linux. Hence, any router that runs an open version of Linux will allow you to implement any industry-standard WAN setup available to any other Linux router.

Buying one with it pre-equipped is just paying a large markup for someone else to install free software on it for you and stick their label on it.

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Who else are you supposed to give credit to for my remarks? My mother?!

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DIR-615.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dd-wrt+multi+wan
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=openwrt+multi+wan
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+multi+wan

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Qasi,

Nice information, albeit after I've made my purchase ;)

In reality I doubt if I would have managed to get all this stuff working, hence the 'buy off the shelf'.
Maybe someday I'll get an old 615 and tinker, having said that I do have a RT-16 doing nothing ...... Hmmm I wonder .......

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Yes I admit it's not easy or user friendly - *but* some companies have actually shipped off-the-shelf routers with these open source operating systems installed (they weren't too popular, not unlike the Dell laptops with factory installed Ubuntu linux).

But in my previous job one of my main duties was to manage a pile of open-source Linux servers and enterprise routers so for me it's second nature :)

Hell, everything from the Superhub to top-end Cisco and Juniper chassis run some variation of Linux.

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While the OpenWRT software is brilliant and can do a ton of things, it is still limited by the hardware it runs on. A 615 could do all those WANS but it's not powerful enough in reality if there is heavy usage. It's not easy for the average consumer to choose a router, yet alone find out how powerful the are underneath.

Talking of CPU power....does anyone know what the max speed of a 615 is, if it is running OpenVPN software and all the traffic going through the tunnel? Another example of the CPU being the limiting factor but could still be useful :)

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If you use the hardware accelerated NAT it does about 800Mbps, or rather 5% CPU usage while maxing out a 100Mbps port.

If you don't use hardware acceleration it can handle about 160Mbps in software depending on the software used.

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The hardware is made for NAT but was thinking about the 615 doing the grunt of the OpenVPN work rather than just passing through the data from another device.

I ran a VPN server on the Raspberry Pi and throughput was terrible because of the strain it put on the Cpu. Putting it on a Synology NAS (with floating point) was better but the CPU was still the limiting factor. Don't expect an old bit of hardware like the 615 to be able to do much better when it comes to running OpenVPN. Pushing data through unaltered is another story though.

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No, you're right there. Hardware accelerated NAT will accelerate... well... NAT, and not VPN. Software VPN, last I checked, ran at about 60-80Mbps.

Of course, you could bond two of them using a third, upstream DIR-615 and split the load :P

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Cheers, that has just solved a problem for a friend :)

Load splitting for those who have way too man 615's than they should do :lol:

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2013/09/5.jpg
What are you insinuating?!

(P.S. My collection's grown about 3x since then >_>)