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Let them fight. Let then fight each other to the death. It's what they want anyway. "Religion of peace" my elbow....

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Anjem Choudary and his fellow protestors can be seen fighting with what was reported as other Muslim groups on London's Edgware Road

Obviously impartial reporting of course.


Allow just anyone to fight on our streets? No thanks.

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Muslims fighting Muslims.
I hope they're not going to make a habit of it.
they're supposed to be fighting the enemy. not each other.

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As if they would do that.:rolleyes: They're not fussy.

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Fighting has been going on for years. Didn't you hear in the video 'he's sunni'.

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I don't recall such flippancy towards Christians in NI during the Troubles.

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I don't think a lot of people see 'Christians' as anything special when it comes to things like that.
just fighting at the end of the day.

but when you have the Muslims fighting it's different if you know what I mean.

like if a load of monks were to start fighting each other. that would be up there with the Muslims fighting each other.

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No, it wouldn't....

Groups of Muslims fighting each other would just be like Catholics and Protestants fighting each other, as they did in Norn Iron, and Liverpool and Glasgow.

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To you, maybe.
to others, it's not.

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Why isn't it the same?

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Loads of reasons.

like to you Jane is the same as Sarah. but to me and others Jane is so much better than Sarah.

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Gary , Muslims have been tearing each other apart for centuries ,what do you think is happening in Siria now ,Sunni muslims are fighting against Shiite muslims .There is nothing unusual about Muslim communities fighting each other anymore than Christian communities fighting each other

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There is when it's over here that they're fighting each other.

it's comical in the way that if there were a load of 'Christians' on the streets of Siria suddenly fighting each other. people would find it unusual and funny at the same time.

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As far as i see it only you are finding it unusual and funny that Muslims are fighting each other.Look at it this way ,they are human just as much as Christians and as humans they will fight over what some as trivial matters .It's not the religion that makes them fight it's the human that fights over religion

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It doesn't surprise me that you'd consider it 'funny' and 'comical'. This is about as much about religion as actual football is to the Cardiff Soul Crew (you'll be finding out all about them next season). In NI it stopped being about Catholics/Protestants decades ago, it's now tribal, about 'families' and areas. If there are more 'Muslim' gang wars coming in the UK then that too will have little or nothing to do with their religion.

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I think Muslims take their religion very seriously. it affects their everyday life.

why do you say it will have little or nothing to do with that one thing that they wake up for?

what do you think the reason would be for any disagreements between themselves?

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How you think you can speak with authority on how any follower of a religion lives their life is beyond me.

Do some actual research on Islam (as opposed to reading a few forums) and you'll figure it out for yourself.

No idea. Go ask some followers of Islam.

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1

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I don't know why you bother adding something to a thread when you never debate in the thread.

:D

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Really. So tell me about how many Muslims you know personally and what they've told you about their faith affects their lives.

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I know 11 personally. the rest I just know by face.
they've told me lots of things of how their faith affects their everyday lives.

can you answer a question now, instead of the usual go and find out for yourself?

why do you say it will have little or nothing to do with their religion?

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Because there is nothing in their holy book or teachings that says they should be fighting within their ranks in that way.

Which of course you'd know if you really did personally know any followers of Islam.

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If i may

Because there religion is supposed to be a peaceful one ,as is Christianity and any disagreement/war/fight is only about peoples own hatred of other people who think different nothing to do with the religion ,if that religion was removed then those same people would argue about shoes or which way to crack an egg(read Gulliver's Travels) .

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How can you tell "by face"?

If you mean from the Indian sub-continent, the majority of people from India are Hindu.

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I think he means they work in the local take away and he has spoke to them therefore he knows all about Islam

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Just like you can know someone by face only.

No, I don't mean colours. I don't do colours.

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I thought we were doing Asians. not Chinese?

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You can tell someone's religion by their face - impressive.

Can you differentiate between the different sub-groupings, such as Sunni/Shia/Sufi, Vaishnavism/Shaivism/Shaktism/Smartism/Jainism/Buddhism, Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox, and can you tell if someone is Agnostic/Atheist by their face?

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What are you going on about now?

who said they can tell someone's religion by face?
I never.

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yes there is. theres text on hypocrites, saying one thing and doing another, ones who say they follow the faith but don't.

Theres the Quran, then theres other books too. If I'm correct its written in these books that theres going to be several different types of Muslims. I don't know the exact number but I know its around 70-90. Thats MASSIVE conflict within.

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Examples?

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you should of read the rest of the post

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Yeah I read it but I'm waiting to see examples of these 'texts'.

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seriously?! ok hold on I'll spoonfeed :rolleyes:

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I don't see what's wrong with asking people to cite sources for their claims on a forum...

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take some interest and read it. i have.

http://ibn1brahim.wordpress.com/2008...-of-the-quran/

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Thank you. Can you show me where it says to have in-fighting and violence within Islam? I'm having a bit of trouble locating that bit.

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Theres 100s of pages. I remember reading parts where it states stuff about hypocrites saying one thing 'we're with you' but then doing something else, the Quran has the hypocrites down as the enemy.

look heres an example, youve got Anjem Choudary and his crew going round doing their thing, if then another Muslim approaches them and says calm down they will go on the defensive from the Qurans teaching, why are you not with us, if your not with us then youre the enemy. I don't know whether thats what happened here. im just saying their thinking is youre either with us or youre not, its very simplistic in that way. if the Quran says to fight the 'non-believer' then surely those who dont follow these groups are marked as 'non-believers'? there text that says the hypocrites stay at home or hide while the real believers go and fight.. again its a case of youre either in or out.

you have some Muslim parts like Sunni-Shia where one beleives one thing but the other believes theres more, like the final Prophet is said to be Mohammed by the Sunni but the Shia go further I think onto Ali. You have other parts like Wahhabism who are incredibly strict if im correct. you think about Iraq while troops were fighting heavily there was conflict between both Sunni-Shia, the same sort of conflict in Pakistan where the groups are killing each other. they blow up there own praying grounds, Mosques. its mental.

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OK so you don't actually know of any part of Islam that says this sort of thing is required, fine. So what they're doing then is using their beliefs as the reason to have in-fighting, as opposed to their religion telling them this is what they must do.

Agreed?

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No youre putting words in my mouth. A Muslim is required to fight for his/her beliefs.

Theres 100s of pages Russ. I'm not going to go through it all again. It will take me days, weeks to get through it all again. I cannot remember word for word. I just remember parts where it states what I've said already.

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Fair enough but my point is there isn't anything in the Koran that says Muslim-on-Muslim violence is required or acceptable.

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There is. You have some people who are 'relaxed' Muslims if thats the correct word to use, by that I mean they don't go to extremes but follow parts of the Islamic faith. Others are extreme follows. The extreme lot would find the relaxed lot hypocrites.

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I wonder if that's what they would fight about?

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followers*

No the extreme fight for world domination.

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No, I meant amongst themselves.

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No, there isn't. I've asked you to show me where it states that in the Koran and you've not been able to. I suggest this is because it doesn't actually say that but if you think otherwise then I'd be interested to what you can show me.

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belief differences within Islam?

ok we obviously don't agree.

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As always.
same with the bible.

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with all of this reading you have done on Islam you will no doubt have read all the other interpretations as well ,for every scholar that thinks the koran tells muslims to fight there is an equal amount of scholars that say it does not

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Absolutely, theres a fair few that try their best to keep the peace. Look I'm not in any way stating I'm a pro in Islamic affairs, I'm not. I am though saying that the Quran does state a lot about fighting the 'non-believer'. Its talks of hypocrites, ones that call themselves Muslims but back out when fighting etc. those whether they be Muslim or not are marked down as the 'non-believer' and what do these nutcase crackheads do? harm us of course.

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Can you give any examples of that?

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Just a heads up. As stated by martyh different people say different things so just be cautious when trying to find the real translation. I got the Quran I own while I was out in Saudi Arabia, obviously you wont travel just for a Quran so if you truly are interested in a copy be sure its stamped by Saudi Arabia. Also costs are only for the book itself and delivery, some only delivery. Its against Islam for someone to make any kind of profit distributing the book.

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That's correct ,one also has to be careful when reading meaning into various pieces of text ,when a text says "fight the non believers" what does it mean ? does it mean fight in a violent way (shoot/kill/maim) or does it mean fight in a passive way ,according to texts in the Quran a Muslim can only be aggressive in self defence .As in all religious texts the meaning is read in a different way by different people who want it to say a certain thing to suit their own personal needs hence we end up with different factions of the same religion

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Well I suppose if you read what the 'leaders' interpretation of the word fight by his actions in the book. then you can assume what he and they mean by fight.

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It may have been a quick google search but congratulations on your first bit of 'research' in to a religion.

Anyway, nothing so far about in-fighting for other Muslims they disagree with then.

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It's not my first. but it's not important.

Your go now, then.
try Yahoo or something.

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Anjem and co go on edgware road, many shia shops on this road, and protest against assad, hezbollah and the Iranian regime, some shias aren't happy and a scuffle occurs. That pretty much sums it up.

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good god man how on earth do you expect to get a decent headline out of that ;)

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Unfortunately, the type of muslim that is prone to going boom only tends to read the former. Thems the ones we have to worry about. The peaceful ones are irrelevant. :(

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Only a two year thread resurrected..You lot must be getting bored..;)

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They're not irrelevant, we rely on them to tell us about the ones planning to go boom and if they can some how get the message across to the young people that going boom isn't cool, doesn't get you into heaven, that isis don't have the answers then so much the better.

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Research shows that a significant proportion of them wouldn't tell on a brother muslim :(
We need to encourage the rest to do so with renewed vigour. :(

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And history shows us a significant proportion not only will tell on a brother but they actually have told on them. Might be better if the encourage others to do the same.

One of the things we defiantly need to do is win the propoganda battle, isis look cool, it's them vs the world, firing machine guns, nice black flags etc how cool would they look if their heads were replaced with puppies heads and how cool would their message be if they were exposed as the bunch of thieving, raping paedophiles we know them to be, why on earth we're pulling punches is beyond me, 100 years ago we were quite happy to lie about Belgium being raped by the Germans, now there's no need to lie we've lost out tongues all of a sudden and why do we put up with news outlets calling them anything other than terrorists, their not militants, that is arthur scargill, they're not radicals they're terrorist fanatics part of a death cult.

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Which research?

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A survey, rather than research.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6977826.html

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I'm happy to say that I'll never be so "left-wing blind" as to think there doesn't seem to be a clear problem within Islam (albeit a minority 'brand' of Islam) but it certainly seems that nobody can demonstrate concrete evidence of what was trying to be suggested above. The cynical may well claim that's due to some media being too 'scared' but I'm just not seeing firm proof of that either.

Stirring up bad feeling without credible backup will only lead to instances of the boy who cried wolf if/when things end up genuinely getting as bad as some are trying to say they will.

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BREAKING NEWS: Islamist preacher Anjem Choudary found guilty of supporting Islamic State

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/700...mic-State-ISIS


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...port-ISIS.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-islamic-state

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Good, lets go after the rest of the Mod Edit now, God knows why for so many years we've allowed these **** to preach ***** unhindered is beyond me.

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lol pushovers until now. Does anyone want these nutters? TM will happily get rid. May she reign over us.

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:tu:

We know why don't we. The great and the good were too fixated with political correctness to confront this problem like many others involving one minority or another. By tolerating the unacceptable, they allowed a very dangerous situation to develop that the extremists took full advantage of and we're going to pay the price of their weakness for a very long time.

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Happy days.

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Kill them with fire! :Peaceman:

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I hope that he gets the **** kicked out of him in prison

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I wonder if he knows about the soap on the shower floor. :D

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I hope they put him on the nonce wing, there's to many damaged vulnerable young men in there that he can pray on, he'll be at home with the paedos anyone, isis have enough of them in their ranks after all.

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He will quickly link up with whatever muslim group is dominant in the prison they put him in and continue spreading his poison as that's call he can do talk. They should put him in solitary confinement for the duration of his sentence but then no doubt some do gooders would start a case on his behalf.

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stick him in with the neo nazi's wing that should sort him out .;)

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Make him wear an orange boiler suit and chains. :D

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Let's hope HMG actually manages to deliver on this:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37149480

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Hopefully not, they should've done this year's ago

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...in-prisons-wi/

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jailed for five years six months

http://news.sky.com/story/radical-pr...pport-10567170

:woot:

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Not long enough :mad:

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"It could have been 10 years" Said one report. So why wasn't it?

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I think a full 10 yr tariff would be almost impossible to justify ,simply because i imagine that the line between a hate preacher and any other preacher is very fine

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But he was touting for daesh, a terrorist group. So in that light IS a terrorist. :mad:

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But he's not a terrorist and we can't go around locking everyone up for their beliefs however much we disagree with them otherwise half the Catholic,CofE,Buddhist ,Jehovah witness etc priests would be behind bars .In this case it took 20 yrs , a lot of investigating and i think some new laws to put him behind bars making sure we weren't infringing on anyone's rights of expression along the way .It wasn't until he invited others to join IS that a successful prosecution was possible .Simply saying he wanted an ISIS flag over the White House and Downing st isn't a crime

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Just wish they could get back the benefits he was living on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...enefits-while/

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I bet he loves the good ole soap trick.

"Oh no... I dropped my soap again!"

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I didn't see any mention of this guy who deserves some recognition. Bloody good, goodbye!

How long before his mate Tommy Robinson goes too.. that though is for another thread

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And they are comparable because....?

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Please provide links if you are quoting from media sources, to ensure the Forum abides by copyright "Fair Use" guidelines.

https://news.sky.com/story/islamist-...ation-13187158

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Both are extremists