Superhub 2
 

testers are now free to talk about the SH2.

For me its been rock solid for the 3 weeks ive had it!

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Pics?

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Indeed my wireless connections have been faultless and i am amazed at the range. I had major issues with my wireless connections dropping all the time on the shub but i have not had a single drop on the NGSH. It gets a :tu: from me.


As long as we are allowed to i will post some later.

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SH2 pics

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-1.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-2.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-3.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-4.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-5.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-6.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-7.png?stc=1

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...50-8.png?stc=1

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That...actually looks all right. Bit of a silly design in that you can't lay it flat, but still.

So what's different about it compared to the original SHUB? Is it just better wireless or is there more to it?

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I had just sent a pm on the trial forum and was waiting for an answer.

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wireless is better.

keep waiting mate.

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All new internals and chip set, new power supply, both wireless frequency's at the same time, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz. It still has modem mode for those that want that side of it. Mine has been rock solid since the trial started and has performed better than my Tp Link 1043nd router

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I would have preferred the ability to stand it up or lay it down.

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Its been confirmed

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Had one reboot since I got mine, putting it down to just settling in.

Wireless range in my household has increased dramatically with the new SH2.

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Sirius delete your post. am gonna get in trouble by virgin media.

That about sums it up.. please.
thankz

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Done

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Mines been solid since I first got it and wireless range and stability is also fantastic.

My fav thing are the LEDs can now have the brightness changed.

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It is 8 channel like the current Superhub, or can it do more?

I noticed it has a USB port will that work?

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My wife noticed that straight away as i have mine turned right down because the hub is in the living room. :)

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Mine shows 8 in the network stats page and i am presently locked to 6, i don't know if it will do more than 8.

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The wireless is much better! I can get a full 60Mbit now from most parts of the house (even the furthest point where with the SH1 I would get a mere 5Mbit).

Big big improvement over the SH1.

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Just heard about the SH2.. what is new in it and what improvements...?

also when it finnnaly realses how do you go about getting one.. you have to pay£ or just ring them up and ask for an upgrade

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Does it run the same firmware as the current superhub?

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Spec says no

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The GUI are much the same.
For me the wireless is vary good and stable. Not had any issues with speed or drops. Range covers my flat fine.

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Compared to my RT-N56U the 5GHz is slightly stronger and the 2.4GHz slightly weaker but overall pretty similar coverage around the house and garden. I'm using it in modem mode and everything looks good:

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compared to my old VMNG300:

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Cheers

Grim

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Yup - I have to agree with the others here... for the past few weeks, I have thrashed mine to death, and it comes bouncing back each time.

The ability to use both frequencies at the same time is a nice bonus

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At the moment 5ghz is very under used in my area and i find it to be excellent, that might change as we see more NGSH's being deployed.

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When is the SH2 due for general release then guys??

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I'm the only person round here, but all good thing have to come to an end.

Cheers

Grim

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:LOL:

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That is a very good point made by Sirius - Hardly anyone uses 5ghz around here - I bet as folks replace equipment due to age etc, my excellent wireless will drop!

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Yea I seem to be the only one around my street with a 5ghz wifi.

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Generally the 5.2GHz wifi tends to be stopped by walls more than 2.4GHz, so there can be more users in a locality before it starts conflicting.

I'm more worried about the 2.4GHz users getting the SH2, their signals will reach further...

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Just line your house walls with thick lead haha (external walls)

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Any idea on power usuage? - the same in standard and modem mode ?

Does it have a WOL feature ?

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Qas will be here after school to disect it for us.

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Wanna see it in REAL working??

http://youtu.be/Dn_ZQ7gqnb8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn_ZQ...=youtube_gdata

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Interesting. So has nobody got anything bad to say about it? Nice development, I'm still on an Ambit 300, if I hold out long enough, I might upgrade to this thing.

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That's pretty much the same as my graphs, Grim. I think it's a keeper in Modem Mode. Don't think I'll be using Router Mode as I like my Tomato firmware too much :)

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If i had it i'd keep it in modem mode as well. I forked out some dosh for the RT-N66U and have Merlins firmware on it for some DNSMasq sorcery going on for netflix and other US only services.

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I don't know whether to be a pesimist or not. Have they listened to customer feedback and enabled modem mode from the get go to maje everyone happy or are they just covering their asses in case this one is a flop as well? :)

Either way I am not fussed, I am just glad to see because I was seriously worried they would turn around and say we didn't need a modem only mode because it has gone "through rigourous and thorough testing" and works fine.

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I honestly feel they have got it right, i remember what it was like at the start of the issuing of the Shub and this feels far better.

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Router mode; wireless on; Airport Extreme router attached in bridge mode.

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Deleted found the info i needed

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Ironically virgin customers might have trouble buffering the video :LOL:

If its powerful enough, has better wireless range and has working firmware, it can only be a positive thing for VM customers.

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Buffered fine for me even at 1080p :LOL:

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I did have some trouble with streaming and loading office files across my LAN, but it turns out that my SH2 in full mode was struggling with the SamKnows white box (gigabit version). Now I have disconnected the box and, consequently, ended my arrangement with SamKnows, my SH2 ethernet is running sweetly. Indeed, it seems snappier than my WNDR3700 when the SH2 is in modem-only mode.

I'm not sure about the wireless yet. The SH2 reaches all the places in my property that the WNDR3700 does, but I have had more incidents of my wireless devices logging on to my neighbour's BT FON and my own attic-based FON HOT spot. Currently I have 5MHz disabled. None of my devices require it or can use it. My Xperia U android managed a download speed of 28Mb in the same room as the SH2, something never achieved with the WNDR3700. My previous best was 19Mb.

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I have the latest SamKnows whitebox(black) and its not caused any problems on my Superhub2.

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Except for a couple of "incidents" I never had that many problems with the SH.

However, the SH2 has far better wireless speeds and stability for me both at 2.4 & 5ghz frequencies. For the first time I can even take my laptop into the garden and get a stable and good download speed and that is on 5ghz.

A definite improvement.:)

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This is SHS in full router mode, not as neat and tidy as in modem-only mode but when performance is not affected, why should I worry?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...01-05-2013.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/05/49.png

http://www.pingtest.net/result/80638632.png

Slightly higher latency than in modem-only mode, but no ill effects.

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I had a smaller problem in modem-only mode, but not as debilitating as in full mode.

Perhaps my set up had some bearing on this.

My SH2 is connected to three switches.
Switch 1 serves 2 games systems one of which is used as a media player; Switch 2 serves my main PC, a games system and a smart TV; Switch 3 serves 3 network hard disks, a FON hot spot router and another PC. The white box being right at the hub of my network has been connected to all three switches to give SamKnows a full picture of internet - intranet traffic within my household. All three switches serve equipment that use the internet as well as my intranet.

All this running through the white box may have been too much.

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Do not think they had any intention of trying too convince the established modem fraternity to move fully away from "modem mode". Just to provide a modem/router that will satisfy Joe bloggs and reduce the level of support costs the superhub must have incurred with its many failings.

My experience with the sh2 is that it is a significant improvement with regard to wireless performance and stability. Hardware life and failure rates are still to be determined of course.

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I've been happy with my experience of it. Wireless range and speed is on par with my existing router.

Router mode seems to have the ability to cause havoc with TBB monitors but it has no detriment on actual service and it looks like it's something they are planning to fix.

My only real criticism would be that the UI is pretty poorly laid out. But as it's identical to the superhub 1's UI this is more for consistency than ease of use I guess. Would just have been nice to see something along the lines of a tomato style interface.

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Reduced support costs would have been part of the spec and probably helped get some better hardware than would have been considered otherwise. VM would have learnt this lesson from the original hub.

An isp supplied router is never going to be as good as a decent router at this moment in time, it just has to be good enough to do the job, easy to support and use, reliable and give less reasons for support calls.

Lets hope the sh2 doesnt have wireless dropout issues.

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I think its very buggy and voip still doesnt work with sipgate. It requires rebooting way more than the old hub and gives a dodgy tbb graph.

Never had a issue with the wireless on the old hub and was great till r37 broke some voip.

Only possitive is you can change the LED brightness.

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dropouts were never a recurring or frequent problem for me with the sh so difficult to comment other than for me the lack of a problem continues.

on a lighter note a major boon is no flashing blue lights frightening the local criminal fraternity.

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The VOIP issue does need sorting if you're not prepared to go to modem mode.

VM have shown serious commitment to fix other issues reported on the trial so I have no doubt that this one is receiving serious attention.

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I had dropout issues on the SHUB, my wife's laptop would never stay connected for longer than 5 mins, my daughters iphone would have trouble connecting and then staying connected. Both of those items connect first time and stay connected when connected to the NGSH. I was also at my neighbours house tonight and had a look at my signal strength on my S3 and it was still nice and strong, it let me stream a YouTube video no problem.

I was there because he has major issues with wireless on his shub and as the NDA has been lifted i could show him the difference. He even said he saw a new wifi signal appear a couple of weeks ago that seemed stronger than his shub. He now knows what it is and wants one asap :)

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I've not had any issues with it in modem mode

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:shocked:

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No way is that a Virginmedia graph..

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Most peoples graphs look like this in router mode, although i am not sure if it is affecting the connection.

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As has been mentioned above, that is no doubt pinging your CMTS and not your superhub

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I was going to say its a vast improvement over the first superhub, the connectors are on the thin side which is good, but the stand they have should have been top and bottom so it could be laid flat. ISP's I feel still fail in that they think standing up is superior to flat.

Its good that modem has advanced to the the point its labeled on the device and it was from my first post on the head of VMs CS blog that was the birth of modem mode.

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What I find interesting is that previously 5ghz is a premium because its hardly used. Now VM a major uk isp is going to have it on their new CPE suddenly 5ghz may get crowded?

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The current Superhub has 5ghz mode and has been around for a longgggggg timeeeeeeeeeeeeee :confused: An lets face it, it can't get any more crowded than 2.4ghz and that works fine for 99% of everyone.

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ahh didnt know ok.

Since I pretty much never used it in router mode except when I had to at start.

2.4ghz does it job yes but it is damn crowded where I live, over 15 networks on it and I only have houses one side of me.

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My graph isn't pretty. It doesn't affect my connection though.

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Here you go....

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...4ff9516aaf.png

Edit: seems like your link has started working above :erm:

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And here is mine as well

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...02-05-2013.png

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Yes, mine was pretty much identical in router mode & the connection was perfect.

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Indeed it did but 5ghz was not selected as standard as 2.4ghz was standard and you could have one or the other, most users i feel would not even have known that it had 5ghz as an option. Now you get both at the same time and you can connect to both if you have the right adapter. Thats why i say it will increase the use of the 5ghz band.

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Hi guys

Is there any move at all towards ipv6?

I'm not expecting VM to switch over anytime soon but Six In Tunnel (SIT) would be nice.

I'm happy that the wireless has been sorted out.:D

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Not all wireless equipment is 5Ghz compatible, which is probably why 2.4 was left as the default (And why nobody would dare suggest switching to 5Ghz during a support call).

Still, if everyone in the country switched over to 5Ghz tomorrow, there'd still be a significant improvement just thanks to the nature of 5Ghz alone - it has less penetration than 2.4Ghz, which sounds bad but it also means that your neighbours connections will interfere a lot less. Also things like baby monitors and microwaves, which have been known to cause interference on 2.4Ghz, should have much less of an impact.

A weird side-effect (for me, anyway) of running both at once is that you get a sort of cross-over point whereby your 2.4Ghz network and 5Ghz network's signal strength overlaps.

Although it is nice browsing nearby networks and only seeing one 5Ghz one - mine!

The last I heard, VM were investigating it but nothing solid had been released yet. I wouldn't expect anything any time soon as VM aren't running out of IP addresses for a while. If and when it does happen, I'd imagine there'll be a lot of trials first before it's rolled out nationally.

Still, it would be nice to have native IPv6.

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There is something in the router settings hidden in regards to IPv6.

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I don't know if that was in the SH1 though (didn't check).

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Well, what do you know? A link to an ipv6 config page:D:D

Good to see

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My Youtube seems to buffer fine now with the SH2.

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We had this conversation before but waiting until you start to run out of ip address is too late, I wish UK companies actually could forward think once in a while but there is good news.

The government is planning to enforce isp's to rollout ipv6 in their desire to give every connected device its own ip address. The bad news of course planning and action could be many years apart so that may not be happening any time soon either.

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How do I get a superhub 2 are they going to be sent me to replace superhub 1.

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Two out of the following three are probably correct:

1. They will provide a Superhub 2 at a charge for existing Superhub users:
2. They will supply a Superhub 2 to those wishing to re-contract for a new minimum period;
3. They will send all existing Superhub users a free Superhub 2.

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#3 is unlikely.

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3 never

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ever!

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Ever ever ever

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Expect you get SH2 if your SH goes faulty or you pay. Expect SH1 fault calls to to increase!

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doubt it. theres still SH1 stock.

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When sh2 becomes standard kit i expect mine to die

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:LOL:

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I'm certainly not disagreeing with that at all, but we all know what Virgin's like - if it saves them money in the short term, they'll probably ignore it. And it's not like they're getting a lot of new customers these days to be worried about running out, either.

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It may be designed to stand upright rather than flat, but is there any provision for it to be wall mounted?

The current SH can be supplied with a wall bracket, although these are apparently rarer than a golden goose, but wall mounting doesn't really work so well given the connectivity for leads from the side. SH2 seems to have connections only on the end so it could be fixed neatly to a wall and yet offer easy access to plug / unplug.

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theres a tiny hole under the sticker on the bottom :confused: (sticker has the wifi network name, password etc.)

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I don't think it would be practical for the SH2 to be wall mounted. The way the connectors are it wouldn't look good. With the SH1 it was good because the connectors are on the back so they would be hidden if it was wall mounted.

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Also I believe the SH2 broadcasts it's signal out of both sides and the top - wall mounting it would risk blocking one of the signal directions

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The SH 2 broadcast its signal best where the front lights are ... so where facing the leds lights is the best signal ;) perhaps with about 45 -60 degree better range ... than sides or backwards

... at least that what i am getting from my tests and if you move it slightly left or right can make difference (where facing the leds) in signal

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When you look into the top, you can see the antennas. There is 3 on the top left and 1 on the top right so as Ben said, depending on which way you would wall mount it you would either block 1 antenna or 3.

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Look into the top?

Take it apart! :D

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Were there any rules in the trial not permitting you to open the device?

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That would be covered by your general terms and conditions which prohibit you tampering with VM devices

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I don't think anyone will be able to answer that although its a dead cert that 'someone' opened it up :angel:

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We can't damage it. I don't know if taking it apart would count as damaging it but I won't be the one to take the chance...

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the antennas are on the sides so whats the big deal in fixing the device to a wall mounting the bottom (where the network password etc. sticker is) ?

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It would stick out from the wall then - I think people want to wall mount it so it's parallel with the wall

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Damn!

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then most people should carry on taking the advice of buying separate kit.

SH2 can be mounted to the wall end of.

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Not as designed by VM it can't.

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ok. the SH2 can be mounted to the wall but you'll have to do it yourself or ask third party as VM wont do it :) please remember the kit belongs to VM and that it wasn't designed to be wall mounted so if it gets damaged you, the customer wanting it wall mounted will be left with a problem, possibly paying a charge for damaging the kit. terms and cons apply. i dont work for VM.

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Gaffer tape?

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Yep I want to be able to reclaim some of my desk space, so mounting on a wall is easy. Previous VM modems, current Superhub, and many standalone routers all allow wall mounting. At least by allowing the connections from the rear rather than a side it would now sit nicely on a shelf.

I accept what everyone says that wireless may suffer if the aerials aren't aligning nicely to the other kit if it is on a wall (or even a shelf), but the option to compromise oneself would be useful. It's a similar problem with things like TiVo, that are now nicely curved, and so you can't stack your hi-fi kit, blu-ray and related stuff nicely.

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wifi wont suffer Rob

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just be careful you dont kill anything when poking it, be gentle :)