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Risco 20-03-2013 20:18

About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
I still feel it is unfinished, what with the non hd menus and still sluggish response. Then the fact that you can't make your own folders for organising recordings or better control of the express link. Also the apps are a joke, to the point I don't even use them! The menu navigation is slow that navigating on demand is a nightmare.. Then you have Youtube which is a slow clunky piece of crap and unusable for me.

andrew.shearman 21-03-2013 00:54

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
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Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35551160)
I still feel it is unfinished, what with the non hd menus and still sluggish response. Then the fact that you can't make your own folders for organising recordings or better control of the express link. Also the apps are a joke, to the point I don't even use them! The menu navigation is slow that navigating on demand is a nightmare.. Then you have Youtube which is a slow clunky piece of crap and unusable for me.

I agree TiVo should do a lot more like the US TiVo boxes

howardmicks 21-03-2013 05:37

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
Can't see that happening now,vm will only be seeing out existing deal with TiVo nw then switching to there own boxes so a long as the box works they ain't gonna be to bothered improving/investing in TiVo now

Jameseh 21-03-2013 05:50

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
Despite the fact I agreed with you on the day Liberty announced their intentions to buy, the TVDrive/V+ has been in the system since 2005 and is only being phased out now (and as per Chad's thread they're still selling them to a small degree) they're getting the most out of the current products which is a lot cheaper than replacing people's boxes at their own expense.

Anyway, IPTV will be the norm in ~5 years and both the Virgin TiVo & Horizon will need to be replaced.

Tricky Trevor 21-03-2013 06:14

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
The apps certainly need to be updated. Why have an ebay app that you can't sign into?
Spotify ought to be updated as well to include a search function.

muppetman11 21-03-2013 09:47

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
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Originally Posted by Tricky Trevor (Post 35551258)
The apps certainly need to be updated. Why have an ebay app that you can't sign into?
Spotify ought to be updated as well to include a search function.

While I agree with you in regards to the poor choice of apps I do have to wonder how wise a move adding the likes of Lovefilm , Netflix and other OTT providers is to a pay TV platform , I'm sure its possible for them to coexist however there's also an element of risk to the pay TV platform in my opinion , the risk in my opinion is greater to lower tier customers who could potentially subscribe get hooked to the services and decide there's no need to sub to pay TV and take a direct subscription with the OTT provider on another device.

Stephen 21-03-2013 10:09

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Originally Posted by andrew.shearman (Post 35551241)
I agree TiVo should do a lot more like the US TiVo boxes

Ours does a lot more than the US TiVo. And in fact many features VM added have now been added to the US software.

spiderplant 21-03-2013 10:16

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Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35551257)
Anyway, IPTV will be the norm in ~5 years and both the Virgin TiVo & Horizon will need to be replaced.

They'll need replacing in less than 5 years simply because technology moves on. Each STB typically only has a life of 2 to 3 years.

Incidentally, TiVo already supports IPTV.
http://www.tmcnet.com/topics/article...tv-swedish.htm

passingbat 21-03-2013 15:53

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Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35551160)
I still feel it is unfinished, what with the non hd menus.

I can see no reason why the HD menus wouldn't be added to VM's Tivo, though they have not been available for that long on the US Tivo and it must take some time to port them to the VM Tivo.

If they don't appear on the VM Tivo, then it may be a sign that the future of Tivo on VM is uncertain?

Stuart 21-03-2013 18:14

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
While few people know for certain whether VM will keep Tivo, and I suspect those that do are covered by non disclosure agreements, Liberty Media are (at least publically and at least for the time being) supporting Tivo.

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/...nsumer-growth/

http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?...OC444L9OGL983C

spiderplant 21-03-2013 19:49

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35551495)
While few people know for certain whether VM will keep Tivo

It's safe to say nobody does. It will depend on performance over the next few years.

Doug P 24-03-2013 15:02

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35551292)
Ours does a lot more than the US TiVo. And in fact many features VM added have now been added to the US software.

Thanks for confirming this, I thought I had been mistaken....

---------- Post added at 14:02 ---------- Previous post was at 14:01 ----------

Personally not having HD menus does not worry me at all.....

passingbat 24-03-2013 15:39

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Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35552643)

Personally not having HD menus does not worry me at all.....

The thing that I really want, which the HD menus will bring, is to still have the mini TV screen there when you go in to the currently SD menu screens, such as planned recordings.

mhatter67 25-03-2013 08:54

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35552665)
The thing that I really want, which the HD menus will bring, is to still have the mini TV screen there when you go in to the currently SD menu screens, such as planned recordings.

That's where the TiVo IPad app is great, I can set and delete recordings without effecting the TV picture:) though the app needs a few different updates

1. Set new favourite channels
2. Having the deleted folder in my shows to undelete programmes

passingbat 25-03-2013 10:05

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
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Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35552836)
That's where the TiVo IPad app is great, I can set and delete recordings without effecting the TV picture:)

Well, VM could send me a free ipad instead of doing the HD screen update. I don't think I would mind too much ;)

OLD BOY 25-03-2013 14:13

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35551286)
While I agree with you in regards to the poor choice of apps I do have to wonder how wise a move adding the likes of Lovefilm , Netflix and other OTT providers is to a pay TV platform , I'm sure its possible for them to coexist however there's also an element of risk to the pay TV platform in my opinion , the risk in my opinion is greater to lower tier customers who could potentially subscribe get hooked to the services and decide there's no need to sub to pay TV and take a direct subscription with the OTT provider on another device.

If VM embraced these different providers, that itself would be a selling point for the VM TIVO. It appears to be the Liberty approach and one that I certainly welcome. Why should we have to pay for a plethora of alternative devices to access this content? I want to access everything from my TIVO.

Doug P 25-03-2013 14:44

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35552665)
The thing that I really want, which the HD menus will bring, is to still have the mini TV screen there when you go in to the currently SD menu screens, such as planned recordings.

well I hope it comes then, but it is not something that will be high on my list of wants....

---------- Post added at 13:44 ---------- Previous post was at 13:43 ----------

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35552846)
Well, VM could send me a free ipad instead of doing the HD screen update. I don't think I would mind too much ;)

That is one of the most optimistic postings have ever seen on here! ;)

Perfect Choice 25-03-2013 14:52

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Agreed, restriction of access is not a good idea and one thing Netflix/Lovefilm provide is a different approach to subscribing to films, etc as a monthly premium versus pay as you go like now. Personally I prefer the pay a you go approach to films simply because our family hardly buy any films and never seem to have the time to watch loads anyway as we always have plenty of programmes to watch on TV or recorded on Tivo.

However one thing I thought I would highlight and based on a demo I saw of Tivo from the USA last year (it was freely available on the Internet from some show promoting the Premier box I think), is that it can search across channels and content sources.

The demo was to search for a film by title across all sources be it TV and Netflix for example, so you could pick your source to view it and not be locked down to one source.

So what VM need to get in place based on this, is the ability to search from any source including Internet based sources like Netflix and Lovefilm, on top of Filmflex of course plus TV channels, then present all the available sources and any cost associated with it, be it subscription account required or the one-time price or free of course.

This would really open up the power of Tivo effectively using its wish list software code to search all sources I guess but crucially also give you a price comparison service on top.

This would give VM and Tivo a unique advantage over the competition. IT may yet need a server based approach to do this( i.e. input search in Tivo, Tivo box submits query to VM networked server which does the actual search and then presents the answer back to Tivo to present to you) but is this the future of moving Tivo to the Cloud which could be more than just online storage for programmes as I believe I’ve read is one reason for the intended future of Tivo assuming VM keep this box long term of course.

muppetman11 25-03-2013 15:49

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35552909)
If VM embraced these different providers, that itself would be a selling point for the VM TIVO. It appears to be the Liberty approach and one that I certainly welcome. Why should we have to pay for a plethora of alternative devices to access this content? I want to access everything from my TIVO.

I'm basing my opinions on the fact that as far I'm aware there's no pay TV platform that currently has Netflix available for its customers however I'm happy to be corrected.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice (Post 35552926)
The demo was to search for a film by title across all sources be it TV and Netflix for example, so you could pick your source to view it and not be locked down to one source.

So what VM need to get in place based on this, is the ability to search from any source including Internet based sources like Netflix and Lovefilm, on top of Filmflex of course plus TV channels, then present all the available sources and any cost associated with it, be it subscription account required or the one-time price or free of course.

This would really open up the power of Tivo effectively using its wish list software code to search all sources I guess but crucially also give you a price comparison service on top.

This would give VM and Tivo a unique advantage over the competition. IT may yet need a server based approach to do this( i.e. input search in Tivo, Tivo box submits query to VM networked server which does the actual search and then presents the answer back to Tivo to present to you) but is this the future of moving Tivo to the Cloud which could be more than just online storage for programmes as I believe I’ve read is one reason for the intended future of Tivo assuming VM keep this box long term of course.

I believe the new Roku software available from April will search across all apps for movies/content.

Risco 25-03-2013 19:18

Re: About time TiVO had an update don't you think?
 
Another thing, why no app button on the remote?

passingbat 25-03-2013 19:39

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Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35553059)
Another thing, why no app button on the remote?

Because there are no apps worth pressing it for, and it would therefore be redundant?

Risco 25-03-2013 19:47

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35553067)
Because there are no apps worth pressing it for, and it would therefore be redundant?

Well I would be more likely to use them! I personally think the whole menu system needs an overhaul, it takes too many clicks.

andy_m 26-03-2013 00:57

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The app button would probably still have the text clearly printed on it, such would be its uselessness!

VM's TiVo searches across content providers-i player and you tube are both included in the search results aren't they?

Mad Max 26-03-2013 23:48

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The menu navigation is slow that navigating on demand is a nightmare
Absolutely spot on, I thought TiVo would be brilliant but imo its way overrated!


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