What a nerve for Mr Hague
 

http://news.sky.com/story/1062582/mu...ges-criticised

It always makes me laugh with the Tory party, they want to hit the mothers in the UK with my cuts.

Yet., Mr Hague is going to give Syria £20 million pounds of our money to supply weapons, for which is nothing to do with this country.:mad:

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Congrats for another working link Arthur.

My salary has not increased in line with inflation for the last 5 years. Why should benefits?

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I refer members to my standard right-of-centre response to this issue.

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My wages have dropped over the last year. Why should benefits automatically increase at or above inflation every year when wages don't?

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... because people like Arthur (and 'prudent' Labour Chancellors) can't see beyond their rose tinted specs and wouldn't recognise economic reality if it stood up and slapped them in the face. Let's face it mate, your 'job' is to carry on working hard for less so people like Arthur can carry on moaning about their subsidised rent and blaming everything under the sun on those who inherited Labour's legacy and are having to deal with it.

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Who is subsidising Arthur's rent, he has a full time job iirc

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That link, unless I missed it, doesn't say anything about the government giving Syria 20 million, or what it would be for?

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He lives in a council property IIRC. If so, hence subsidised.

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Now I don't know the answer, but if Arthur is paying 'full' rent- i.e. no housing benefit, is he being subsidised or is he actually paying the true price? I note he mentioned in another thread that he's paying £180/week, which if you consider annual increases, then I'm sure he won't be that far off paying for the property over say the next 20 years. People seem to forget that the property would still be owned by the council and can be rented out to another tenent in years to come. If during the 'life' of a council property the 'full' rent is payed then the property will probably have been paid for many times over. There's something to be said for supplying affordable housing in high cost areas.

Cheers

Grim

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Let's be clear, I dpn't have a problem with council houses - I wish there were more of them. I have a problem with some people expecting others, who're also suffering in these hard times, to pay more than they already do in order that benefits etc. can increase faster than salaries.

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Another way of looking at it is that Government is repeatedly introducing cuts that penalise those who are at the bottom end of the pay scale while seemingly ignoring the measures taken by those at the top end of the pay scale to minimise the amount of tax paid (and I am talking about both individuals and companies). Tax which can amount to 100s of millions of pounds.

The government can reduce the debt in two ways. Decrease expenditure (which is what they are trying) or increase income. This is a concept that, frankly, seems to escape the Tories, as well as the Liberal Democrats.

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Indeed

what about those of us that don't get benefits and don't get a pay rise, So what should we do as we cannot go to the benefits office for more.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20559791

http://www.fda.org.uk/Media/Whats-ne...tra-3.7bn.aspx

It might seem like that to some but I'm not sure these figures amount to ignoring the problem. Although there's no doubt more could be done, it has to be done within the law and legal challenges can take a very long time to resolve in matters as complex as these.

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It really bugs the crap out of me when people on benefits are moaning they are only getting 1% pay rise per year ,or should that be the Labour party are moaning on their behalf ? because i would hate it if someone in receipt of benefits moaned to me that they are only getting a 1% rise because then i would have to smack in the face with my ever decreasing pay packets

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:clap:

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Work overtime.

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The government could of course increase taxes back to 22% so the higher earners pay more and i'm sure many in the government wish they had done when they took office ,it would have been a lot less painful for a lot of people .Of course many of the cuts and changes to welfare would still be needed but tax intake would have been higher

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What if you don't get paid overtime?

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Oh Osem, l just love people like you, probably brought up with a silver spoon stuck in your gob, I don't claim any benefits, l pay the full council rent and council tax. My wife gets a carers allowance for caring for my disabled son.

She doesn't complain about anyone else, I have been unemployed twice in my life, and l am due to retire in three years time from a job that l love, and looking after the vulnerable people of our society.

I see OAP's shivering in there houses, as they are scared to put on the heating, they survive on the meanest meals possible, watch TV all day on a secondhand TV.
They are scared to walk the streets in case of being mugged.

I get sick to death of this pocksy government spending billions of pounds sending overseas to countries that is worthless, and the money we send them gets used on the black market, and yes in the media today l read that they are going to give Syria that money to spend on arms.

Yes l do live in a council house, which is in need of repair, for which l wouldn't buy it, my council employ foreign workers that do the dodgy building work that l have ever seen. I get extremely annoyed when people say that l whinge and moan about this pocksy government - they think of the rich and defend them to the hilt but hit the poor, as they cannot answer for themself.:mad::mad:

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Don't do any overtime.

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crazy ,how have we got to the stage where parents are paid by the state to look after their own kids

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If I may butt in here to say a few things.....

It very much has sorry to say, we as part of the European Union as part of the UN.... Nato arh that's it....wait ain't they helping out the rebels (the real terrorist problem) with aid to look like they trying to over turn the county own peoples elected leader? Didn't a Nato member release a news piece about providing armoured vehicles just last week.... it's same reason why the "Bank of England" bankrolled (totally funded) the Libya rebels to over throw the present government at the time.... there's a word for it; colonising > this case somebody else's country for resources & control of the middle east.

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So you have nothing of value to bring to the conversation then

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Yeah matey I was born with a solid silver spoon in my mouth, one of 5 kids to a window cleaner who couldn't read or write until he was in his 40's. Life was idyllic mate, nice and cosy wearing hand me downs and school shoes with holes in. No heating in our house apart from a coal fired water heater and a gas fire in the front room. Bedrooms so cold the condensation froze on the inside mate. Yeah it was luxury in our country pile as we scraped it off in the winter mornings! :rolleyes:

Despite his limitations my old man worked hard for very long hours and never got benefits apart from CB like everyone else with children. No sick pay or unemployment benefit being self employed, no food on the table if he didn't work and the rock bottom state pension now he's nearly 90. He worked hard and my mum scrimped and saved in order to buy what people like you now take for granted and whine about.

You're not the only one with a disabled child you know, I have one who'll never be able to support himself. Being a teenager but unable to talk and write whilst having the mental age of a small child has that effect. The big difference between me and you is not a silver spoon you wrongly (as usual) assume I (and other people who disagree with you) was born with, it's that I don't believe that the world owes me a living and keep pitching up here every 5 minutes bleating on about how bad my lot is and how other people (who're also having a hard time) ought to pay more to subsidise me and mine whilst they and theirs suffer more.

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Wow that's pretty harsh. :erm: Carers' allowance is because the care exceeds what is normal expected and usually affects their ability to earn money.

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You need to stop eating Labour press releases for breakfast - look at the economics, not the politics. Reducing the 50p tax band was exactly what you are calling for - an attempt at reducing the incentive to individuals to rearrange their tax affairs.

The Treasury was in possession of hard evidence that the 50p rate had not resulted in any significant increase in revenue. This sort of thing occurs in matters of taxation for exactly the same reason it occurs in shops. You put your prices up too far and all you do is provide your customers with an incentive to go looking for savings. The "customers" of the top rate of tax are the very same people who are most able to afford tax advice or even to up sticks and leave the country altogether.

Tax rates exist as part of a global economy and have to be competitive. If they are not, the net result of whacking up the top rate is a long term erosion of the potential tax take from top earners. Considering that our top 10% of earners are earning 25% of the wealth and paying 50% of total income tax receipts, sacrificing that cash cow on the altar of some myopic socialist prejudice is just plain stupid. Which is why even Labour didn't do it when in office, except in the last few weeks of their administration, precisely for the purpose of sabotaging the whole deficit reduction debate. Think very, very carefully before deciding whether these are the people you want running the show after 2015.

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That's bang out of order. :mad: I think you despise anyone claiming any kind of benefits.

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So Arthur i am now going to use the same simplistic view that you have just used.

Because a person has worked all his life, not had to claimed benefits and paid for the house over his head, he is classed as a toff with a spoon in his mouth. So using your simplistic analogy if i was to say your a scrounger because you claim benefits would you take offence to that. Just because someone works and owns his own house does not make him have a spoon in his mouth

You are starting to get very obnoxious in your posting style and i suggest you actually READ the propaganda you are spouting from you LABOUR rags. At the moment you are truly RANTING

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Unfortunately not if you don't get paid overtime.

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Though he could change his job to a better paid one or retrain. Well it is an option. More than what I have on benefits.

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You have the same option as I had, go out and find a job !

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Not harsh at all ,Arthurs sons disability is not affecting Arthurs ability to work full time .I fully understand that in some cases there is a need for a carers allowance if the state won't care for the disabled in care homes or day centers and the disability is bad enough to stop both parents working or there is only 1 parent but in a lot of cases i think the carers allowance is far too generous

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how is voicing an opinion on what i see as a very generous part of the welfare system out of order .You really need to calm down a bit and remember that carers allowance is a relatively new benefit and before that parents where expected to cope and they did for the most part .One of my wifes nephews has been told he has ADHD his mother gets a carers allowance and any number of benefits on top of that and yet the kid still goes to school as normal ,she doesn't need to work ,her husband works full time as a plumber so i have got to ask myself what the hell is the benefit for .

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I especially love the fact Labour calls this reduction in benefits a 'tax'.... :rolleyes:

Shows just how askew Labours world view is and that at the core they're still the same they were 5,10 or 30 years ago.
Labour=state-sanctioned theft,jealousy and misery for all,most commonly known as socialism.

Instead of whining on about money-handouts we can ill-afford they should suggest a flat-tax for all employees,self-employed and corporations of 10-15% to incentivise people to work,but of course the working class has now become the benefit class so that's where Labours core votes are at.

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Osem, l apologise to you foir what l have said, Mu upbrinning was similar to yours, when l was a kid, it was very hard work for my parents, to go to the cinema l had to wait until Wednesday when l got in half price with my dad showing his OAP book.

Dindnt get a Tv until 1966, an old banger it was too, My gripe is the fact that no matter what party is in power, that elected government should look after his voters first and not make them poorer than what they are, and yet give huge amounts of money to other countries that can support it self, most of the money that people give to charities - most of this goes in admin and therefore that charity doesn't give it all to the right people. This why l no longer give to charities, l gave a sum to a charity two years ago and they spent that phoning me for a bigger donation.

Yes, my wife gets carers allowance - but that is a right that we allowed to receive.

I trust you accept my apologies,

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So you agree that tax rises shouldn't be applied?

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Natalie could give up work and get carers allowance and we would be better off financially too. But she wants to work as do I so we wouldn't do it. It just seems odd that we would get more money for not working.

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The attitude that made Britain Great....

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I know. other countries might do overtime for no pay. not us Brits!

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Can i just state that as far as this benefit claimant is concerned a tempporary freeze in the amount of increase on benefit is perfectly fine during times of economic hardship and i would agree with the rate not going up above a certain amount till wages do as well. But i do object to a freeze when they are hitting us in so many other areas at the sametime afterall claimants still have to deal with cost of living increases same as everyone else and we do start off at a lower level. Labour do not speak for me and whilst they seem to be trying to reinvent themselves yet again as the parrty of the people there are as many in their ranks that have never dirrtied their shoes with people from my end of society as the tories so thanks labour but if i wanted to shoot myself in the foot i can do it myself i don't need you representing me.