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Not bad ,no problem so far except i think that raising the tax threshold is more beneficial to more people but that's a matter of opinion

Then he goes and spoils it with this little jem

How on earth a mansion tax is supposed to raise about 2 billion £'s to fund the tax cut is beyond my limited economical skills any help anyone ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21453444

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I agree doubt they would pay up anyway. There will be away to get around it. Remember reading a clever clog already found way if it came out to avoid it. Something about selling it renting back think it was.

Would be interesting to find out how many properties they would consider are ocupied.

To me the only way change the council tax bandings. When was they even looked at for change.

There then lies another is it will be local councils for spending not in national purse.

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Miliband and Labour never had the plot to lose. :D

Did Miliband say is was a bad idea when Brown introduced it do you reckon or is it only now that it suits? :rolleyes:

Anyway, wait a few weeks and see how many times he and Balls will 'spend' those same 'billions' too...

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Apparently Balls and Milliband raised objections in some cabinet meeting or other ,should have shouted louder imo .

This just smacks of nicking a useless Liberal idea and rehashing one that was scrapped because they can't think of anything else

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They obviously thought it was such a bad idea they'd better not make a fuss abut it or tell the people it'd affect so badly. :rolleyes:

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Labour, if they get back in power they will change history so it shows them as not being the party that put us where we are now, not the party that sold all the gold, not the party who raided the pension funds, not the party who removed the 10p tax rate, not the party that put us in to 2 wars and one of them by lying. not the party who left a note for the incoming party saying they had spent all the money and finally not the party that calls its voters BIGOTS.

And ARTHUR wants them back in power GOD HELP US.

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that would be the workers and low paid .

Lets have a look at this policy ,a mansion tax punishes those who have(in a lot if not most cases) worked hard all their life ,overcome all types of hardship to build a life ,company, whatever, to afford a house that by the vagaries of the housing market and manipulation of governments is worth £2million + then labour come along and tax them on it if they sell it and he's going to rely on this revenue being consistent and high enough to fund a tax cut .Not only does it punish workers that work hard it simply will do nothing for the economy and any proposed tax cuts .The man is in cloud cuckoo land

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Here let me fix that :)

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Yes it's as hillarious as it is sad. He's not got a word to say about any of that list or indeed the rest of their lies, spin and negligence whether it be PFI or their failure to adequately supervise the NHS or the banking system. Do you ever wonder what Labour would have to do for ArthurGray@CloudCuckooLand NOT to vote for them? :D

The fact is that they only ever admit they've been wrong when they're out of office and they only do it to get back into power to carry on where they left off...

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worrying thing is ,and i think all Labour supporters should take note here ,is that it's taken 3 whole yrs to think this one up :rolleyes:.
People go on about Cameron not lasting till Christmas ,Milliband won't last till next week with rubbish like that.

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What does scare me is that come the election people will have forgotten what a bunch of complete idiots Labour are and bloody well vote the idiots backs in :mad:

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Oh look it's the Sirius, Martyh and Osem thread. Oh happy days for them. :D

And just for a minute there, some were saying how predictable Arthur threads are.... :D

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So how about you try to answer my question from Post #1 ,i truly am intrigued as to how it's supposed to work .I am also extremely interested in how a labour supporter can accept the glaring contradiction in Labour philosophy.

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Not sure because we don't have the numbers. I guess it is feasible at the 10p tax rate probably doesn't earn that much whereas a mansion tax could, again in theory, earn a lot per person.

I think peanut has a point btw. If this were a Cameron has lost the plot thread then some may be mocking it...;)

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Oh look another rose tinted post devoid of answers... :D

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Dam you beat me to it :LOL:

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Well they'd be right to given the number of anti Cameron posts there have been recently. ;)

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Yes happy days indeed :)

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Sorry mate but it's like shooting fish in a barrel... :D

Odd how some folks will vote for people even though they can't acknowledge, let alone defend, what they've done. :rolleyes:

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Two things..

a) Mansion Tax - is this an ongoing fee, or a cost when a house is bought/sold? (can't find details anywhere).

b) from the Telegraph So he has announced something that may not happen?

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That's low. Quote away anything from me where I have just critised or whatever without putting in at least some valid opinion on the subject at hand regardless if it is right or wrong. And to make it fair if you do, I'll do there same. Then lets see who's calling the kettle black shall we?

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:confused: I said your post was devoid of answers. ;)

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Do I detect a hint of cynicism? ;)

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A mansion tax only becomes applicable if the "mansion" is sold ,so to avoid it don't sell it above the threshold .A mansion tax has been examined and blown out the water already .
If Labour really want to help low paid workers then raise the tax threshold (already done by the coalition) and/or raise the NI threshold .



such are political threads ;)

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Just get rid of all governments and go back to the way we were?

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so that's a yes and a no :confused:


do i smell another coalition in the offing? or just nicking each others ideas

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If it was ongoing wouldn't that just be a raise in the council tax ?

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Lets elect the Cable Forum team as the government as l am sure they can do a better job then the current and the previous two incumbents.:)

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That's odd, I thought Miliband, Balls et al were demanding the Tories commit to policies before the last election. Funny that. lol

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Only if they promise us all cushy jobs for life, gold plated pensions and perks aplenty... :D

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Creep :)

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:p: :naughty:

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Get over it, it's just another bit of politicking aimed at appealing to lower paid voters by bashing the rich and hinting that a 10p starting rate would benefit them more than anyone else. It's also attempting to divide the coalition. When it's properly costed and in the manifesto, I'll believe it...

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Sorry just seen this post/reply.

For what they've done. Hmm, not a lot, same as the last lot, any more than that, I'm passed caring.

I don't know how many times I've said on CF of my position. Quite a few I think without going on and on about it though.

If you were in my position and you voted for that moron Camoron, then you'd be an even bigger moron. As it's been said, it is all relative, but to me I can't afford on voting for anyone elses behalf, but just for myself.

And if I did vote for that moron the last time round then I'd be saying I'll only have myself to blame, and boy that wouldn't be a nice feeling right now.

Obviously if none of their policies affect me, and I had the luxury of voting for the good of everyone else, then I'd probably speak a lot louder, but then I'd probably just spoil my vote as none are good enough for anyone.

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would be interesting which ministerial position everyone pick

me education or fisheries minister;)

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Bites tongue extremely hard... :erm:

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lets just hope you can catch a fish ;)

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lol I would champion the cause all dyslexics for sure:D

On the subject like many said the mansion tax stupid idea probably one those which got brainstormed on cigerette packet in pub.

If we want to find way raisng mone then possible Land tax penalty more logical.

Although this would hit all homeowners thats the downside to the idea. so much an acre tax would hurt big landowners. The worry then is farmers getting hung up. If you wave small farming land, small business maybe too. Worry they use loopholes to get around that land they own is farming/business. Suppose if regulate and grade them not we could close that loophole.

Can this be possible better solution to mansion tax. Wont be one off anual charge.

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hehe You better not see my fishing skills:D. whats that lol would force everyone to eat haddock ban eating beef:shocked:

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There's no excuse for not using the site's spellchecker...

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I love Milli-Balls have not produced any policy or anything for over 2 years, and when they finally pop their heads up above the parapet this is the best they can do.

old Davy boy must be laughing is head off.

Milli-Balls is unelectable.

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Lib Dems look at extending mansion tax.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21490012

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Whilst i don't think the burden of the current economic crunch is being evenly distributed we need sensible policys to make it fairer a mansion tax is one of those things that sounds great to a certain section of the public but in reality would take about five minutes for anyone of means to get round. As for voting in the next election i don't think i will bother for some in this country no matter who you vote for you'll lose out so why botherr.

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btw, I have just read that the 10p tax rate would only be on the first £1000 of taxable earnings, which equates to an £100 per year extra in the pay packet - why doesn't he just raise the allowance threshold?

How the Independent sees it.