Oscar Pistorius arrested after fatal shooting.
 

South African Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius has been arrested over the fatal shooting of his girlfriend at his home in Pretoria, local media say.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21455453

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This is when we'll find out if he's a Replicant or not.

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For the moment it sounds like a horrible accident. :(

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Well he must have been mighty scared to shoot someone he couldn't see. :confused:

A terrible example of how life can sometimes take a massive turn for the worse when you're least expecting it.

You have to feel for everyone involved at this stage.

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It seems police have now opened a murder case against him.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/o...071857209.html

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How can.shooting anyone four times be described as an accident.

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It would be if he thought he was shooting a burglar.

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true someone said its like kill or be killed in parts africa.

Sad story beautiful woman to die.

We have to wait to see if his story fits the scene.

At moment we been told by police there is witnesses, there has been previous domestic disputes and he shot her 3 times in head of the 4 shots he fired.

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Jeremy Vine has just been talking about this on his show ,he had a guest on who lived in SA for many years and said that most people who have anything worth stealing sleep with a gun under their pillow and carry one in the street .Home invasion robberies are very common and very often lead to someone being shot so it is very plausible that he thought it was a robber if he wasn't expecting his girlfriend back ,although the latest was that he has been charged with murder and stories are emerging of his violent behavior and love of weapons

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The news coming out doesn't paint a good picture. As the evidence builds, it doesn't look like Pistorius has a leg to stand on.

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ergo it wasn't an accident

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There has to be one:D

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Roses are red
Violets are glorious
Don't creep up
on Oscar pistorius

I'll get my coat

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I thought he might claim he had drunk to much and was legless:D

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IMHO shot four times doesn't seem like an accident, and reports of an argument were reported before the shots.

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:D

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Very poor.

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Evidence against Oscar is mounting as there were no footprints outside his home.

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To be fair, he did say it was completely dark and he couldn't see two feet in front of him.

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He thought his girlfriend was going to ask him to marry her but he got cold feet.

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Good night.

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It wasn't that bad

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RIP beauty.

the guys athleticism aside i never liked him. i remember getting vexed watching him on theoneshow.

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So an alleged bloodied cricket bat (smashed her head in), shot in the hip, then she made it into the bathroom and locked the door (at 3am) then he shot her though the bathroom door in the head etc. Hmm, not looking like he was suprised by a burglar now does it.

Not looking too good for him at the moment.

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Sigh! Why didn't she just leave him..I still don't understand my own sex at times especially young modern women.:(

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We don't actually know what happened yet.

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No, but based on what is coming out, it's not looking good for him.

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It doesn't matter Damien.If he and she were rowing loudly and violently all that day why did she stay?If it was happening regularly why did she stay.

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Same reason some men abused by their wives don't leave them?

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This morning's hearing seems to have put the prosecution in a lot of trouble already. There have been leaks from the police about the testosterone , now turns out it wasn't and it was legal. The investigator was admitted to 'not reading the whole label'. The prosecution said he made no attempt to contact anyone, the defence asked if the investigator had tried to see if he had 'no'.

https://twitter.com/BBCAndrewH

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This is what amazes me about this whole affair .Is it normal to have a murder so quickly ,this trial has started a couple of days after the shooting so how thorough could the gathering of evidence be and preparation for defence/prosecution

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This is just a bail hearing I understand. Not sure why so much evidence is being discussed already.

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ah gotcha ,it does sound like a full blown trial though

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Been holding back my feelings of this. My consensus is looking what been said in the trial not newspapers. I do think he is guilty sadly. Why sadly he been champion/hero to any disabled out there like tanya grey thompson. Kids have looked up to him get excited meeting blade man as he known.

There just too many holes in his defence for me. Surely he would made sure reeva was next to him safe. If she was not there shouted is she alright. Even in the dark he would known someone laying next to him. Thats what nagging me on his defence. Just not consistent with caring person to his loved one. I maybe wrong posters might disagree just seems odd way going about things.

I felt we saw the other side of his character when he blew his top in the para olympics. I had never seen man so incensed and angry the way he blew over something so trivial. He dont like losing for sure.

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It is at the defence's request that they are going down to this level as they want him released on bail but the prosecution doesn't.

Seems to be holes in evidence on both sides - ballistic evidence could be key as it would show if he had his legs on or not. Having looked at his affadivit & some of the prosecution evidence I can't help thinking something is not quite right about his story - he says he went to the balcony and then heard the news and went back to the bed to pick up his gun - why did he either not see Reeva or make an effort to wake her up to warn her there might be a burglar ?

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Pistorius detective on attempted murder charges.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21528631

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I've got an OJ Simpson feeling

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Indeed

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Indeed as l only said that yesterday to my friend.

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yep can only agriee this fiasco waiting to happen. Sad as the family reeva wont get closure for there loved one.

Maybe prejudging bit but hope if he is found not guilty its because the evidance not because bungled investigation.

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He's just been granted bail

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So don`t think he will run then.

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Sorry I don't find the death of one and the subsequent trial of another on murder charges the place to crack cheap jokes..

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How can he really claim self-defence when he shot through a closed door. Any possibility of imminent danger would only have come if the door suddenly opened. He had time to ask who was in there.

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I think we should reserve that sort of judgement, and perhaps leave it to those that live in South Africa and have a better idea of what it feels like to live in a society with the sort of violent crime rate it suffers (Murder rate in the UK, 1.2 per 100,000 of population, South Africa 31.8 per 100,000).

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Like the USA, South Africa has a big gun culture, it also has a high murder rate and death through burglary rate.. You don't ask if the suspected person behind a closed door is friendly and won't shoot you with the possible gun they have pressed against the door.. If he seriously thought that his partner was still in bed then in that circumstance most SA residents would shoot first.

Anyone here ever lived in Jo'burg or Pretoria will know the situation with home invasion and the need to protect your property over there which normally starts with electric fences and razor wire and stops with a weapon beside the bed.

[edit] Remember though that this is just the bail hearing and purely designed to find out if he is a continued danger to himself or others and whether he would abscond before the trial

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The person on the other side of the door could just as easily do the same thing as Pistorius did.

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Natalie has been watching this very closely and she is surprised he got bail.

As for the neighbourhood where she comes from - yup they often have shootings and she was mugged twice before she moved to the uk.

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I accept this but why oh why did not check side bed make sure reeva was safe.

To me this no excuse for simple check to see if his partner was safe. You could easily mask deliberate murder of partner with this argument as defence.

How many those stats was accidential wrong call I wonder.

SA gonna learn harsh lesson about its gun problem like USA.

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He says he wasn't wearing his prosthetic legs and therefore any shots would have likely to have been above his head. After firing the shots he returned to the bedroom and even put on his prosthetic legs. That would have been the time when was at most risk, as he assumed that he hadn't missed whoever he thought he was aiming at.

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In my humble opinion he should have never be granted bail as that certainly would not happen in this country.

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What has what would happen in this country got to do with the decision of a South African magistrate? We're not the colonial power, they can make their own decisions without reference to normal practice in English law. ;)

As it happens, even people charged with murder here have the right to bail unless certain conditions are met that would give a judge reason to refuse.

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Which would only lower his height by 2ft (remember his racing blades are a lot longer than a standard prosetic.



The bail laws in this country specify the following (highlighted part in red means that bail may be granted)

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It's all really strange how it seems as though he's that much of a 'celebrity' that people over there don't care whether he killed her or not.
he's a bloody hero.

you get the feeling that even if he did kill her. he'll be let off because he's a bloody hero!

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I think he's a 'oops the word I used was blanked out', sorry, and gutted that he got bail. And if I want to make jokes about him I will, it doesn't take the sadness away from the deceased which I feel totally different about.

Each to their own.

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No one has denied that he killed her, he's admitted to firing the weapon. What is in question is whether he murdered her or not.

As none of us know all of the facts I suggest that our opinions currently have no weight in the matter

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Am I missing something or was she silent during the time she was being shot?

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The properties are quite well detatched. Unless the windows were open maybe no matter how much she screamed probably wouldn't have mattered. Though I reckon all this will come out in the actual trial.

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Sorry I meant unless she was killed or rendered unconscious immediately, surely he would have heard her screaming and realised she wasn't a burglar.

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Ah right, yeah I agree, it does sound a bit odd. Unless he did shoot her in the head first maybe. As odd that if I heard a noise, I'd wake the missus up to confirm the noise which would also make sure she would be alert just in case. To just not bother checking her or waking her or just looking out for her is something I can't understand, it's just plain weird. Then go to the bathroom and shoot without at least shouting first.

A lot of questions that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense at the mo.

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I predict an acquittal, not a massive stretch but I think he'll get off.

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similar to my feelings. saddens me media hysteria forgot the poor woman who been killed. Whether it was in spew of rage or innocent how does her family feel he out on the streets.

Think court got caught up in this he should never been treated any different than person down street. Think judge made error call to be honest. Whether he will do OJ simpson style runner I cant say. By all acounts he got temper. We saw glimpse like said when he went balistic in para olympics. He going have keep head down for the trial but worry he is accident waiting to happen.

I hope I am wrong but would not like be near him if losses it.

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Oscar Pistorius brother Carl also facing homicide trial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21563911

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"Causing death by dangerous driving" I think we might call that here. It makes a good headline because the SA legal system calls it "culpable homicide", but let's not pretend its got anything to do with Oscar's trial. It's not connected and it's not in any way similar.

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As Kymmy said people get bailed when facing murder charges quite frequently in the UK these days.

I think he did it, too many inconsistencies in his story but the police investigation seems to be a bit half arsed and I won't be surprised if he gets off with it.

That said I've a sneaky suspicion he will kill himself before any trial.

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So would it be unfair to suggest he will be competing in countries without an extradition agreement with South Africa?

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Heeeeeeeeeeeeerooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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I don't understand. I use to wear mickey mouse pants.

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I wouldn't have thought he'll be competing anywhere, all this can't have done his training regime any good, expect to see him on opera though washing it all out in public, that'll be nice for the girls family, kill their daughter and then go on TV to talk about it and presumably trouser a large fee.

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That looks like a stalking charge to me ... the prosecution is fighting dirty. I wonder if they're worried the jury will believe his claim to have thought he was shooting a burglar?

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Surely he can't escape a sentence either way though, his claim in my opinion is still manslaughter. The shooting wasn't justified as he has no evidence of burglary in his favour. Remember in all aspects of shooting an intruder you have to be able to justify it, the first one being you actually seen an intruder, which he didn't.

Murder or Manslaughter, he's got to do one of them. I'm leading slightly towards murder anyway. We don't all get up and shoot our wives/gf's when we know they're present do we?

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I don't know, this is South African law we're talking about here. Do you have particular knowledge of what the available defence arguments are?

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How would you go about shooting them when they're not present?

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Not sure about shooting them but O.J. Simpson could probably lead you in the right direction.

I have little knowledge on SA law by the way. All of the above was based on our law and well a bit of common sense really.

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With little knowledge of SA law I'd say shooting through a door without first calling out for a response from the person he knew was present would be murder. Manslaughter or completely being let off if SA law allows you to shoot intruders without reasonable evidence.

Again we have little information on what SA counts as evidence towards an intruder being present. If you're allowed to shoot people without even making a call out then this case will go on forever. It'll likely be guesswork by the Jury, you either believe him or you don't.

Defence can argue, Stress, the intruder story if SA law says it's perfectly normal to blast through doors without having a good reason to do so. With his defence actually arguing that case it seems certain they're hopeful of Manslaughter or nothing at all.

Naturally there's only the major bits that link to this case but little on actually identifying an intruder. It's clear now the courts must decide if he could even have shot an actual intruder in the manner he did. Basically I believe he exceeded the bounds of self defence. He was under no harm at any time. He had no reasonable proof of an intruder in his home and he knew his partner was present. He made no attempt to distinguish the identity of the alleged intruder in this case when another person he knew was present.

This part of the case will be the bit that separates him from going free or serving for the very least a sentence for manslaughter.

Based on my posts, what are all your views on it? Murder, Manslaughter or getting let off scot free?

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Getting a bit fed up of listening to him talking like a little boy who's in trouble for something.
he just sounds like he's playing the sympathy game. if he really didn't do it. then he should be talking normal. he should be angry when someone says that he did do it.

not "I don't want to look. I want to say how upset I am. listen to my voice. I even talk like this when I go home."

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The fact is he "did do it".

The issue is "why".

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He's never denied doing it

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Ok. I put that wrong. what I meant was if he did it on purpose.

one day I'm going to read up on this incase my question hasn't been answered.

if they were in bed and he thought there was an intruder in the house. didn't he notice that she wasn't in the bed before he went and shot her in the bathroom?

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The truth I feel is that they had an argument, she ran to the loo and would not come out, he tried to break the door down with the cricket bat... that failed.. and then he got his gun and tried to shoot the lock open... intentional murder I do not think so.

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I'm fed up with his cry baby testimony. He's crying for himself. He shot the girl; off to jail you go sunshine. All this baloney about an intruder is designed for the bleeding hearts who fawn over celebrity.

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Seems like he is milking it a bit, someone should tell him it looses impact if you keep blubing

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I am sick of his ramblings, sound like O J Simpson so years ago in the states.

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Pistorius’ Tears Aren’t Necessarily a Sign of Innocence
He retches when he sees pictures of her injuries and so he should at what he has done.
http://www.theneeds.com/read/n354235...ly-a-Sign-Time

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I think he done it just like OJ said he did in that book

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God. he's still sobbing when he talks.
you can't keep going to court every day and sulking all the way through it till you go home.
talk normal! defend yourself. answer the questions with facts. stop sobbing!

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He's guilty as hell. It's obvious from all the evidence he has a temper/anger issues so I think he intentionally shot in her direction & killed her in the spur of the moment while they were arguing. Probably regretted it 10 seconds later but it's still murder.

All this burglar stuff and crying has done him no favours.

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His usual response to frustration is anger. During cross-examination by the 'Pitbull' he would normally respond with anger but he can't do this in these circumstances so he bawls instead.

He can regain his self respect by telling the truth and save Reeva's parents from any more of this charade. It's the only chance he has of keeping his dignity; not that he deserves it.

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Just wondering, what would he be charged with if it WAS an intruder that he blasted several times through a closed door.

He's guilty of something, the only question is WHAT!

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Vandalism of the door? :erm:

I think if Reva was an intruder and he killed them acting in an honest self defence belief then the mosthe would be charged with would be something like reckless discharge or a firearm for not being able to see what he was shooting at.

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Agree, if he was a real man, he would admit what he has done and take the punishment, instead of trying to use his celebratory status to try and con people.

That way he could at least of a chance of maintaining some sort of dignity.

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Verdict being delivered now, having a break for 5 minutes. But just before the break, the Judge ruled that there wasn't enough evidence to find him guilty of premeditated murder. So from what I gather, that leaves second degree murder, and culpable homicide (I think that is the other option anyway).

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I don't think it was premeditated murder but I do think he knew it was Reeva in the toilet and that he used his gun in anger to try and get access. I would regard that as second degree murder. Whatever, off to jail with him for a very very long time.

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I can see it going to retrial.

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Not guilty of second degree murder. Now culpable homicide (their version of manslaughter) or acquittal now left. This is going to be another OJ Simpson I think. Karma caught up with OJ eventually though.

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Sounds like a bit of a screw up so far. Stating he didn't intend to kill (Reeva only) by shooting 4 shots through the door but should also apply to the 'probable' intruder. All a bit odd.

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An innocent girl died at the hands of an angry cry baby with a gun :(

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IMHO only having one person to deliberate could be open to fraud not saying it has happened in this case. I feel they had a barny she ran to the loo to get away for a while... he followed tried to break the door down with a cricket bat, that failed he then went and got his to gun and probably tried to shoot the lock off... the rest we no.

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That would be a good theory with the door. if he had shot the lock.

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Well, if the lock was an intruder, he would have shot it :D.

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I don't see how his is not murder. It's so obvious from his personality and previous incidents that he shot at her in anger. He intended to shoot her, so whether he intended to kill or maime her, it should be murder. imo.

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When I was watching a bit of it earlier. the judge seemed to be basing her verdict on (he said this, and he said that. he said he loved her so I don't think he would shoot her)

she seems to have dismissed a lot of evidence simply because she can.
she mentioned the screams were probably his and not hers. she doesn't know that.

I can see him getting a suspended prison sentence the way she's going. and I can see a retrial happening because of her 'personal' opinions and prejudices.

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I think her problem was that speculation isn't evidence so she couldn't use it.