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Arthurgray50@blu 07-02-2013 13:49

[UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
www.skynews.co.uk/Brussels/ecomonics

David Cameron, according to Sky News is in Brussels and will tell them today that they must reduce costs in Administration etc.

In line with the rest of Europe to save money.

He is on another collision course that he wont win, He has already been told by other countries to keep his comments to himself, and he won't rule the roost. And they wont be told what to do.

Isn't it strange that he is already ripping this country to pieces with with cutbacks and severe savings, and he is trying to do the same in Europe.

What l would like to know is where is this money going, Osborne is already borrowing money, so where is the money going that the Coalition are saving.

Gary L 07-02-2013 13:51

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Dave thinks he is God and is going to rule the world.

denphone 07-02-2013 13:56

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Well it does not matter whether its Dave or Ed as they are both absolutely useless.

Damien 07-02-2013 14:02

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
This is about the EU budget as a whole and he has a veto. He can veto the budget if he so wishes.

Chris 07-02-2013 14:06

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Is this thread about the EU budget, or is it another general-purpose Tory-hating rant? The thread title might need clarifying.

Mick Fisher 07-02-2013 14:32

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35533482)
Well it does not matter whether its Dave or Ed as they are both absolutely useless.

Spot on Den :D

martyh 07-02-2013 14:55

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35533484)
Is this thread about the EU budget, or is it another general-purpose Tory-hating rant? The thread title might need clarifying.

Lost me :confused:,can't we turn it into a "Arthur make your mind up thread " because i could swear that Arthur keeps telling us that MP's and MEP's alike are spending too much money on admin and expenses and need to cut back

Stephen 07-02-2013 16:35

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Not sure what this is actually about as that link above is made up and doesn't work.

I guess its this story??

http://news.sky.com/story/1048573/eu...hrash-out-deal

Quote:

David Cameron and other European leaders are preparing to meet in Brussels to try to reach a settlement on the European Union's long-term budget.

They are under pressure after talks last November collapsed when Britain, Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands demanded deeper cuts from 2014-2020.

Osem 07-02-2013 16:56

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Quelle surprise... :rolleyes:

Sirius 07-02-2013 17:06

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35533484)
Is this thread about the EU budget, or is it another general-purpose Tory-hating rant? The thread title might need clarifying.

Its just an Arthur rant plain and simple

Pierre 07-02-2013 17:20

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
As I understand it, there is a will amongst members - even France - to reduce the budget, or at least not increase it. So Dave may get his way.

Ramrod 07-02-2013 17:22

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
The problem is that Von Rompelstiltskin is disinclined to listen to them......

Damien 08-02-2013 09:03

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...-david-cameron

Looks like we'll get it. Obviously other countries wanted it as well but there you go, Success.

Chris 08-02-2013 09:06

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
But ... But ... Cameron is on a collision course that he won't win! The other countries won't let him tell them what to do!

Damien 08-02-2013 09:38

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Germany and Britain 1 - France 0. France even snubbed the meeting with us. Thankfully Hollande doesn't appear to be a great politician unlike his predecessor. Additionally we seem to have more in common with Germany at the moment. Also Cameron has kept the British rebate.

Pierre 08-02-2013 10:12

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Do we need to change the title of this thread?......................................

Damien 08-02-2013 10:13

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget to be cut
 
Done.

Damien 08-02-2013 14:19

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Apparently France are quite unhappy! Britain seems to have got most of what we wanted by allying with Germany and outflanking Hollande. Anglo-German alliance!

Osem 08-02-2013 14:29

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
If you're right, can we further amend Arthur's thread title to include "Cameron NOT a loser" then?? ;) :D

peanut 08-02-2013 14:31

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35533906)
Can we further amend Arthur's thread title to Cameron NOT a loser then?? ;) :D

I won't go that far... (as it's a family forum I'll leave it there).

Osem 08-02-2013 14:32

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
That'd be a bit churlish surely... ;)

Damien 08-02-2013 14:40

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
EDIT - Actually better not set a bad example ;) Let's stay on topic people! :D

Sirius 08-02-2013 14:43

Re: No Hope - Cameron again a loser
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35533778)
Germany and Britain 1 - France 0. France even snubbed the meeting with us. Thankfully Hollande doesn't appear to be a great politician unlike his predecessor. Additionally we seem to have more in common with Germany at the moment

OMG Dont let Capt Mainwaring know :LOL:

Osem 08-02-2013 14:46

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Well it wouldn't be a general comment on his premiership as a whole, just relevant to his apparent success (if it transpires) in negotiations in which the OP declared he'd be 'again a loser'... ;)

Osem 08-02-2013 15:43

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Well it looks likes there's going to be a budget but will there be any accounts? I've also just heard a report on BBC News24 who claimed they'd been asked, by French media, for comment on Cameron's victory... lol

Apparently the whole thing can still be kicked into touch by the European Parliament, however, which may go some way towards explaining their legendary pay and perks...

Sirius 08-02-2013 15:50

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35533939)
Well it looks likes there's going to be a budget but will there be any accounts? I've also just heard a report on BBC News24 who claimed they'd been asked, by French media, for comment on Cameron's victory... lol

Apparently the whole thing can still be kicked into touch by the European Parliament, however, which may go some way towards explaining their legendary pay and perks...

What is said in public about the budget and what they then really do behind closed doors are two entirely different subjects. I do not and never will trust the EU bureaucrats to do what they say they will do unless it involves wasting lots and lots of someone else's money :mad:

Damien 08-02-2013 16:52

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
I've removed some off-topic posts. It's ok to be funny but there needs to be some substance to your posts otherwise the whole thing will be dragged off topic. We cannot have members posting successive off-topic nonsense posts all the time.

Please stay somewhat on topic.

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Merkel has suggested that 'there will be no surprises' when it comes to the European Parliament and that she has spoken to a lot of them already.

Sirius 08-02-2013 18:04

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35533959)
I've removed some off-topic posts. It's ok to be funny but there needs to be some substance to your posts otherwise the whole thing will be dragged off topic. We cannot have members posting successive off-topic nonsense posts all the time.

Please stay somewhat on topic.

---------- Post added at 16:52 ---------- Previous post was at 16:01 ----------

Merkel has suggested that 'there will be no surprises' when it comes to the European Parliament and that she has spoken to a lot of them already.

She can suggest what she likes, and who made her the spokesperson anyway.

Taf 08-02-2013 18:13

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
We still have a rebate, but it's reduced.

Sirius 08-02-2013 18:28

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35534066)
We still have a rebate, but it's reduced.

Indeed we are sleepwalking into full membership including the Euro. Successive Governments have signed over a bit here and a bit there. The only referendum we will ever get is about what on which date we join. :mad:

Chris 08-02-2013 19:13

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35533479)
David Cameron, according to Sky News is in Brussels and will tell them today that they must reduce costs in Administration etc.

In line with the rest of Europe to save money.

He is on another collision course that he wont win, He has already been told by other countries to keep his comments to himself, and he won't rule the roost. And they wont be told what to do.

So ... Having got this just about 100% wrong, are you going to give up on the political punditry, Arthur? :D

Sirius 08-02-2013 19:29

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35534108)
So ... Having got this just about 100% wrong, are you going to give up on the political punditry, Arthur? :D

Oh look is that a flying pig i see ;)

Gary L 08-02-2013 19:35

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Are we still going to be doing the IN or OUT thing later?

And just how much is it that we have saved this country?
Not the billions of euros as a whole. but what our invoice is for in pounds and pence.

Damien 08-02-2013 19:41

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35534081)
Indeed we are sleepwalking into full membership including the Euro. Successive Governments have signed over a bit here and a bit there. The only referendum we will ever get is about what on which date we join. :mad:

No, nothing in this deal paves the way to enter the Euro.

martyh 08-02-2013 19:45

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35534108)
So ... Having got this just about 100% wrong, are you going to give up on the political punditry, Arthur? :D

Wait till he realises that our contribution is still going to go up just by less .Something of a hollow victory i feel

Chris 08-02-2013 19:57

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35534131)
Wait till he realises that our contribution is still going to go up just by less .Something of a hollow victory i feel

Not really ... Thanks to Tony Blair giving away a chunk of our rebate in an attempt to crawl up French bottoms, our contribution was always going to go up, whatever today's deal was. But thanks to the overall cut that has been agreed, our contribution will go up by a lot less than it otherwise would have.

Besides, I have read at least one pundit pointing out today that because the figures are worked out at 2013 prices but govern all spending from 2015-2020, with inflation factored in we could still find that the amount we have paid in has actually fallen. We won't be able to say that for certain until 2020 though.

martyh 08-02-2013 20:06

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35534136)
Not really ... Thanks to Tony Blair giving away a chunk of our rebate in an attempt to crawl up French bottoms, our contribution was always going to go up, whatever today's deal was. But thanks to the overall cut that has been agreed, our contribution will go up by a lot less than it otherwise would have.

Besides, I have read at least one pundit pointing out today that because the figures are worked out at 2013 prices but govern all spending from 2015-2020, with inflation factored in we could still find that the amount we have paid in has actually fallen. We won't be able to say that for certain until 2020 though.

roll on 2020 then :D

do we know who took the hit yet,french farmers ,development budget,other ?

Chris 08-02-2013 20:36

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
There appears to be a cut in administration, and also technology R&D. The sop to the French is that their feckless, inefficient farmers continue to gorge themselves on lots and lots of CAP money.

Sirius 08-02-2013 20:40

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35534154)
There appears to be a cut in administration, and also technology R&D. The sop to the French is that their feckless, inefficient farmers continue to gorge themselves on lots and lots of CAP money.

Its all them horses there breading :D

Osem 09-02-2013 10:59

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35534108)
So ... Having got this just about 100% wrong, are you going to give up on the political punditry, Arthur? :D

I'm thinking of writing a new novel called "Arthur and the Epic Fail"... :D

As for the reduced rebate, well even Arthur couldn't blame that on the Tories... lol

Sirius 09-02-2013 11:43

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35534281)
I'm thinking of writing a new novel called "Arthur and the Epic Fail"... :D

As for the reduced rebate, well even Arthur couldn't blame that on the Tories... lol

Wanna bet :)

---------- Post added at 11:43 ---------- Previous post was at 11:12 ----------

Well according to this comic there is going to be a secret ballot. If true you can see WHY people want nothing to do with the EU

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...secret-ballot/

Quote:

Self-awareness has never been MEPs' strong suit. They have declared repeatedly that they won't endorse any budget proposal for 2014 to 2020 unless it provides for a substantial increase in spending. They're not terribly interested in what the extra spending should go on. It's enough to know that the money is 'for Europe'.
http://www.euractiv.com/priorities/p...-b-news-517661

Quote:

The European Parliament will vote by secret ballot on the EU's 2014-2020 budget, its centre-left President Martin Schulz and Joseph Daul, the leader of the centre-right European People’s Party, said yesterday (7 February).

Schulz, speaking at a late-night news conference, confirmed Daul's earlier statement that the use of the special procedure was planned.
So whats the betting they collude to increase the budget.

NEVER trust the EU to do what they say

Damien 09-02-2013 21:40

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Not sure they can just increase the budget but the fact they're holding a secret ballot doesn't bode well, let's wait and see if there is more politicking to be done.

martyh 09-02-2013 21:46

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35534567)
Not sure they can just increase the budget but the fact they're holding a secret ballot doesn't bode well, let's wait and see if there is more politicking to be done.

doesn't this new budget still have to be approved by some higher form of life in the EU ?

Osem 09-02-2013 22:08

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Once again it seems the Eurocrats really don't like it when they get an result they don't agree with.

Damien 09-02-2013 22:58

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35534570)
doesn't this new budget still have to be approved by some higher form of life in the EU ?

Yeah the Parliament.

Sirius 10-02-2013 08:46

Re: [UPDATED] EU budget set to be reduced
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35534570)
doesn't this new budget still have to be approved by some higher form of life in the EU ?

Higher form of life, is there a higher form of life than the pond **** who run the EU, ;) . This shows just how much you cannot trust the EU if they are willing to hold secret votes and what else are they holding secret votes on. I think there now needs to be an investigation held to find out what other secret votes there may have had and have they affected the people of this country.


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