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muppetman11 23-01-2013 10:50
Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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The Government wants to stop Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB from collecting millions of pounds of annual fees from the BBC and other public service broadcasters.

Ed Vaizey, Minister for Culture, will tell the Oxford Media Convention today that the satellite television company should volunteer to stop charging public service broadcasters fees for carrying their channels on its service, or face Government intervention.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/9...-from-BBC.html

Maggy 23-01-2013 10:56
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
I don't see Rupert liking that..and the government will be getting a bashing from the Sun no doubt.

Jameseh 23-01-2013 11:00
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
Shouldn't really apply to anyone other than the BBC considering the other 3 have HD channels where they are the ones getting money from Sky.

denphone 23-01-2013 11:21
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
Well l am sure Mighty old Sky will not miss a few million here and there with the many billions they have at their disposal.

Maggy 23-01-2013 11:54
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35526420)
Given that BSkyB are forced to carry the BBC channels then they should be able to be reimbursed for the costs involved but no more. The same should apply to the other free to air channels.

Are the BBC and the rest not paying the owners of the terrestrial broadcasting infrastructre to carry their channels?

Are people suggesting that commercial BSkyB should subsidise the BBC?
No I think they are suggesting a rather more level playing field for all.After all thee and me have already paid for the BBC content so why should BSkyb also be paid from the money we both paid to the BBC.

If and when BSkyb become a public broadcaster then maybe they should be getting taxes payers money.

martyh 23-01-2013 11:59
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35526424)
No I think they are suggesting a rather more level playing field for all.After all thee and me have already paid for the BBC content so why should BSkyb also be paid from the money we both paid to the BBC.

If and when BSkyb become a public broadcaster then maybe they should be getting taxes payers money.
Sky are a service provider ,they are getting paid for providing a service what's wrong with that

Maggy 23-01-2013 12:03
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35526427)
Sky are a service provider ,they are getting paid for providing a service what's wrong with that
It's about taxpayers money not wholly being spent on the BBC.Personally I'd rather the BBC didn't get their content onto Sky and spent the 9 million on better content on the BBC.;)

Gary L 23-01-2013 12:04
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
Anyone would think the BBC was the government. or the government was the BBC.

MovedGoalPosts 23-01-2013 12:13
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
If there is a cost incurred by someone transmitting a service on behalf of another supplier, it seems reasonable to me that the cost is funded. But it shouldn't necessarily result in a profit to the transmitter?

muppetman11 23-01-2013 13:20
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
I'm confused by this
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The Government will push for the fee to be scrapped so that no money changes hands. However, some industry observers think it should go further and force satellite television operators, also including Freesat, to pay public service broadcasters for the opportunity to carry their content.
Wouldn't that make it highly likely that subscriptions would increase to fund the extra charges meaning a Sky subscriber in reality would be paying more on top of the existing TV license to watch BBC content.

Itshim 23-01-2013 13:36
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35526467)

So you'll be quite happy if BSkyB dropped all the Beebs channels then if they're not paid to carry them?
First question do they pay Virgin to carry them ? No I have no idea what the answer to that is.
If not I say that the BBC should stop paying. If they do then they should stop paying both of them :erm:. I guess that most people get freeview ( Ok not all can get freeview & those that can`t - its there problem, sorry).

I would think that Sky need BBC channels more than BBC need Sky - or for that matter Virgin :cool:

martyh 23-01-2013 13:39
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35526428)
It's about taxpayers money not wholly being spent on the BBC.Personally I'd rather the BBC didn't get their content onto Sky and spent the 9 million on better content on the BBC.;)
It is being spent on the BBC ,it is allowing the BBC to be broadcast to everyone as a subscription free public service which is what the BBC is there for .Removing the BBC channels from sky as a free channel would turn it into a subscription channel for those who want it ,does that mean that sky subscribers would no longer have to pay the license fee or does it mean they would have to pay both license fee and extra subscription to recieve BBC channels.

muppetman11 23-01-2013 13:57
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35526475)
First question do they pay Virgin to carry them ? No I have no idea what the answer to that is.
No according to this article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...redirect=false

RichardCoulter 23-01-2013 14:15
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35526428)
It's about taxpayers money not wholly being spent on the BBC.Personally I'd rather the BBC didn't get their content onto Sky and spent the 9 million on better content on the BBC.;)
I agree.

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Originally Posted by Rob (Post 35526433)
If there is a cost incurred by someone transmitting a service on behalf of another supplier, it seems reasonable to me that the cost is funded. But it shouldn't necessarily result in a profit to the transmitter?
Yes, but the presence of the BBC channels helps to drive up subscribers. Not having them would be detrimental to Sky. They should think of it as a loss leader, they have no problem with this concept in other areas of their business.

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35526475)
...I would think that Sky need BBC channels more than BBC need Sky - or for that matter Virgin :cool:
Absolutely.

Cable companies are obliged to carry the PSB channels Free To Air at no charge as part of their franchise licence to operate.

Sky do not have to carry them, but, if they do, they have to give them "due prominence" in the EPG.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35526479)
It is being spent on the BBC ,it is allowing the BBC to be broadcast to everyone as a subscription free public service which is what the BBC is there for .Removing the BBC channels from sky as a free channel would turn it into a subscription channel for those who want it ,does that mean that sky subscribers would no longer have to pay the license fee or does it mean they would have to pay both license fee and extra subscription to recieve BBC channels.
The BBC channels would still be available, Free To Air, from the Astra satellite. The channels would simply be removed from the Sky EPG. Some or all may still be available via "add channels". The channels available, however, would no longer be recordable.

No extra subscription to Sky would be required and the TV Licence would still be payable.

Of course, all this is purely academic as Sky would never allow it to get to the stage where they left the platform. That's why i'm surprised this hasn't been tried before.

The very existence of the BBC channels on Sky is enough remuneration in itself. In some countries, PSB channels charge the platform owners for inclusion on their platform!

Itshim 23-01-2013 14:30
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35526493)
I agree.



Yes, but the presence of the BBC channels helps to drive up subscribers. Not having them would be detrimental to Sky. They should think of it as a loss leader, they have no problem with this concept in other areas of their business.



Absolutely.

Cable companies are obliged to carry the PSB channels Free To Air at no charge as part of their franchise licence to operate.

Sky do not have to carry them, but, if they do, they have to give them "due prominence" in the EPG.



The BBC channels would still be available, Free To Air, from the Astra satellite. The channels would simply be removed from the Sky EPG. Some or all may still be available via "add channels". The channels available, however, would no longer be recordable.

!
They pay so Sky users can record a show :mad: In that case someone at the BBC needs a ----- choose your own phrase. Paying is a crazy waste of public money - something they are good at- resign your job & we pay you compensation REALLY :shocked:

martyh 23-01-2013 14:34
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35526493)

The BBC channels would still be available, Free To Air, from the Astra satellite. The channels would simply be removed from the Sky EPG. Some or all may still be available via "add channels". The channels available, however, would no longer be recordable.

No extra subscription to Sky would be required and the TV Licence would still be payable.

Of course, all this is purely academic as Sky would never allow it to get to the stage where they left the platform. That's why i'm surprised this hasn't been tried before.

The very existence of the BBC channels on Sky is enough remuneration in itself. In some countries, PSB channels charge the platform owners for inclusion on their platform!
Which astra satellite? to recieve from astra 1 it will mean moving the dish and losing all the other sky channels

Itshim 23-01-2013 15:21
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35526497)
Which astra satellite? to recieve from astra 1 it will mean moving the dish and losing all the other sky channels
And why should I pay towards you solving that problem. I have to pay for a freeview aerial if I want to see some channels as Virgin do/did not carry them . Come on if your supplier won`t offer them to you, sorry but my feeling is tough luck . Sky do not pay others to carry their channels - whats good for the goose.:mad: Come BBC call their buff. Stop pay now:)

martyh 23-01-2013 16:05
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35526513)
And why should I pay towards you solving that problem. I have to pay for a freeview aerial if I want to see some channels as Virgin do/did not carry them . Come on if your supplier won`t offer them to you, sorry but my feeling is tough luck . Sky do not pay others to carry their channels - whats good for the goose.:mad: Come BBC call their buff. Stop pay now:)
What the hell is that all about ?:confused:

Your not making any sense

Itshim 23-01-2013 16:13
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35526536)
What the hell is that all about ?:confused:

Your not making any sense

As I read it & if I misunderstood you sorry. You need to mess around with your dish if Sky stop. Ergo you need two dishes or Freeview to get BBC channels.
At the moment the "tax" payer is handing money to Sky to provide "you" with BBC channels. Your point as I took it was why should you ? mine is why should I :D

nomadking 23-01-2013 16:19
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
Whatever broadcast medium is used, there is a cost somewhere. Even providing content via iPlayer over the internet has a cost. Part or all of that will be an internal cost, but it's still a cost. Freeview and Freesat cost the BBC, so why shouldn't Sky receive money for providing the service, unless people are getting hung up about Rupert Murdoch.:rolleyes:

martyh 23-01-2013 16:22
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 35526544)
As I read it & if I misunderstood you sorry. You need to mess around with your dish if Sky stop. Ergo you need two dishes or Freeview to get BBC channels.
At the moment the "tax" payer is handing money to Sky to provide "you" with BBC channels. Your point as I took it was why should you ? mine is why should I :D
Yes you completely misunderstood .

The bbc are paying sky for a service ,the same as they pay for electric,gas and water ,or do you propose they get that free as well because the BBC pay for gas electric and water out of tax payers money as well .

I was responding to Richards post that said the BBC channels would be available through the 'add channels ' from the Astra satellite i was simply asking what Astra ,1 or 2, as most if not all the other european free channels are only available on Astra 1 which requires a dish move to recieve them as far as i know

Maggy 23-01-2013 16:30
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35526467)



So you'll be quite happy if BSkyB dropped all the Beebs channels then if they're not paid to carry them?
Yep!

martyh 23-01-2013 16:48
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35526553)
Yep!
so you would be happy to buy another set top box to receive them ?

Maggy 23-01-2013 17:04
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35526561)
so you would be happy to buy another set top box to receive them ?
VM don't charge the BBC so it's not a problem and when I turn to Freeview when I retire it won't be a problem either as I'll stick with the basic package.

Chrysalis 23-01-2013 19:37
Re: Government to stop BSkyB taking millions of pounds from BBC
 
what about the millions bbc make for sky?

what happens if someone buys a tv to watch sky sports and nothing else, they are forced to pay for the bbc.


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