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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20968886


Saw this on the news today and couldn't believe some of the comments such as

and this one

For gods sake it's no biggie and having an up to date licence is a condition of being able to drive ,as was pointed out in another comment driving is a privilege not a right

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its just more of the same big brother mentality -we the people own the roads not the dvla :td:

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The renewal date is on the front of the photo licence.

What's the big deal with keeping the photo up to date - we do it with passports.

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Nothing to do with big brother mentality .If i get hit by a car i want to be sure that the driver is the driver that is insured for that car ,i certainly don't want to give insurance companies any excuse not to pay out

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Exactly ,it is also useful for id purposes ,a paper licence cannot be used as id anymore

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You may not think it's a biggie but the BBC article does not correlate with the facts issued last year. I suspect the article is somewhat of a lumping of two entirely different problems under one generalised report.

There was extensive reporting last year on the fact that for millions and especially those over 70 on shorter term licenses that the licence expiry and photo expiry dates are different. It is entirely possible and very easy to have a valid licence with an out of date photo and thus be breaking the law.

Last year I was asked to help an older relative to fill out a driving licence renewal form. Was it difficult, of course not unless the exact renewal as sent by the DVLA had been used without using grey cells (which they appear to lack).

The licence expired the day before the photo's 10 year expiry so had the form been used exactly as intended the resultant valid licence would have been lawful for a whole 24 hours before the £1000 fine for an invalid photo would have been appropriate. They use different forms for photo requirement or not.

If anybody thinks that the DVLA helpline will help, forget it because there are no human beings to ask as it is an automated series of mindless computer generated answers.

The following link and as many others as one would care to search for show that this BBC report is an extrapolation and spin on what is in fact a shambolic system.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/c...h-20-cost.html

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does that count as paranoia

What is paranoia?

It is common to have suspicious thoughts or worries about other people from time to time. These fears are described as paranoid when they are exaggerated and not based in fact. There are three key features of paranoid thoughts:

you fear that something bad will happen
you think that others are responsible
your belief is exaggerated or unfounded.

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This is the first I have heard that my paper licence will become invalid before the expiry date stated on it. I assume that if I am to be effectively taxed into having to replace it prematurely (unless of course I choose to move house in the meantime, or suffer the indignity of a driving offence), someone will at least be making a proper attempt to notify me that I must change it.

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Not paranoid at all . One of the reason photocard licences where introduced was to stop the massive amount of shared licences being used ,driving on someone elses licence and it still happens a lot these days especially amongst the immigrant community and you can bet your bottom dollar that insurance companies will eventually use an out of date photo as an excuse to invalidate the insurance especially when the photo licence becomes compulsory in 2015

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I have to pay (last timeI checked) £20 for someone to update my photo on the computer and also go out and spend £10 having my passport photo done.
A rip off if you ask me!

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Photo licences have been in use since 1998 or there abouts so plenty of notice .I'll bet you keep your passport up to date

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so when you have a prang
do you
photograph the driver of the other vehicle
ask to see their driving licence picture and compare likeness ?
or just swap details
or going forward you could demand fingerprints and a dna sample .
you might be happier on public transport as long as the bus driver agrees to your terms and conditions regarding his entitlement to drive .

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Rubbish ,take the photo yourself on your camera phone and send to the dvla alternatively if the one on your passport is more up to date then they will use that one .

My photo has been used for my CSCS card ,passport ,digicard (drivers card)and driving licence .the Photo in digital form is held to be used multiple times on multiple databases

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I don't but the coppers do .

It's ok you trying to be clever and bleating on about "big brother" and all that crap but you don't have a right to drive and if you want to drive then pass a test ,get a licence and keep it up to date ,the same as you have to for a fishing licence ,passport ,tv license or any other kind of licence tyou care to think of .

When i sit my class 2 hgv later this year i will be subject to much stricter controls on the photo and my licence and i'm not bleating on about that

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i'm not trying to be "clever" i just don't see why i should give in to your paranoia that every one else on the road is dodgy ,and i clearly don't share your love of identity cards , i know who i am and that suits me ,i don't feel the need to prove it on every document i own . my driving licence hasn't been out of the drawer for 25 years and that's fine by me .

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Yes I keep my passport up to date because it has a 10 year expiry date.

My paper type driving licence states it is valid until 2034, at which point I know I would then have needed to replace it (if I hadn't moved before, got an endorsement, etc). There has been no notice, that I am aware of until this thread, that the paper style licence was being completely scrapped.

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Now who's being paranoid .

I don't think everyone else on the road is dodgy at all ,i do know that some are and photo cards easily catch them out instead of leaving poor smucks like me or you to pick up the bill .At the end of the day you will have to change it whether you like it or not and as i pointed out before you've had since 1998 so it isn't exactly a big surprise ,and fact that you know who you are is simply not good enough in this day and age of fraud and identity theft

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...anybody mentioned yet that it's a great way to eek more money from the poor motorist? No? Oh well - there you go - I've said it now!

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have you ever thought that the reason for so much identity theft is your identity is plastered over every unsafe data base that exists ,and the more forms of id you have the more chance there is of stealing it .

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The paper licence is still retained and valid until you are 70 ,it is the photo on the plastic part that has a 10yr expiry date for obvious reasons ,the same ones that apply to your passport

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Not really no ,being able to prove you are who you say you are by means of an officially recognised photo is a lot better than having someone simply saying they are someone and producing a stolen leccy bill from a bin liner to prove it as used to be the case .ID fraud is a result of being able to gain services and products by electronic data exchange without actually being present not by having a photo licence

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just found this


What about the old style paper licences?
The AA website states that if you still have a paper driving licence you don't have to worry about ten yearly updates, though you must still notify DVLA of name or address changes.
It also says that parliament has given powers to recall all paper licences so the more secure photo card licences will be held by everyone, but no date has been set for this, and the Government is well aware that it would be controversial to make everyone buy a new licence.
The AA has said that if the government insists on everyone changing, it should phase in such a move and subsidise the cost.
Keeping the details on your paper licence up to date will ensure that DVLA is able to tell you when this is happening and if you need to do something.


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Where does it say the paper license is illegal and not valid as i have 1 of these and i am told it is legal to use it, i only need to update it if i move house etc?

edit

Papa answered my question with his post.

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i think the paper half of the new 2 part driving licence may be what is being phased out and the details kept on a data base .

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I have a euro style licence and will NOT update unless I have to.

The photo one is just a cash cow to screw the motorist yet again.

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the more i read up about this the more confusing it seems to get :(

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That's my understanding too.

The original old style, paper only, licence is still going to remain valid for the time being.

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just to clear things up ALL paper licences are being phased out starting in 2015 .That means that if you move house or get an endorsement after that date you will have to get a photo licence ,the new paper counterpart of the photo licence is also being phased out as it is not needed .Also it is likely that the legal requirement to have a certificate of insurance will be removed thus allowing people to tax a car without producing proof of insurance (the same as the mot certificate requirement was removed some years ago) .

Also just to be clear it is the photo on the licence that has to be updated every 10 yrs ,this does not mean your licence is invalid ,your licence is still valid untill you are 70


like i said in my OP ..... it's no biggie but the fuss some are kicking up is totally unwarranted

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I already checked last year when I would have to renew but it's still nice to be reminded. We'll see if the DVLA bother notifying me.

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I don't have a photocard, my licence doesn't expire.
I'm never moving house again so I dont ever have to get one until I'm 70 (If I'm still around and able to drive), and then it's free :D

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Photo licences had only been around for 12 months or so when I got one - that meant I was among the first to have to renew the photocard. The new one caused a few double-takes when used as proof of ID as its design differs in some respects from the original, causing some people to wonder if it was a fake.

Still, I prefer having a photo licence to a paper one as it gives me the convenience of easy proof of ID, without a horrendous, intrusive national ID database to back it up. It's also useful when flying to Ireland. I've only ever flashed a driver's photocard at immigration control in Dublin, much to the bemusement of the massed hordes waving their unnecessary passports. :D

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They may have that trouble again as the design is changing later this month , and shock, horror there is also talk of putting a union jack on the front next to the EU logo .

just as an aside it may be worth looking at this for the new driving/towing rules coming in on the 19th jan ,chiefly affects new drivers though

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/changes-t...9-january-2013

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I am talking of the older style paper licence that did not require a photocard.

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That will automatically be changed to a photo card after 2015 if you get any endorsements or change your address and will then be subject to the 10 yr renewal of the photo

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Won't that just mean we'll all get confused about whether we're British or European? :D

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It will certainly do my head in :D

Incidentaly back in '98 when the photocard was first introduced it was supposed to on then but labour put a block on it when they got into power

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old paper license are still perfectly valid ( until 2033 at least ;) ) as id as is the paper counter part of a photo id license the paper part is needed that to prove your id ;)

this link shows one department that requires it cant find a more general one at the moment

http://www.sia.homeoffice.gov.uk/Pages/licensing-id-checklist.aspx

here is another list from a bank of valid id that are approved

http://www.santander.co.uk/csgs/Satellite?appID=abbey.internet.Abbeycom&c=Page&can al=CABBEYCOM&cid=1210616507242&empr=Abbeycom&leng= en_GB&pagename=Abbeycom/Page/WC_ACOM_TemplateA2

see page 5 on here

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/agencies-public-bodies/dbs/dbs-checking-service-guidance/identity-checking-guidelines?view=Binary

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once you have a photo id license though you do need to update the photo every 10 years personally i think they should at least get people to do a highway code test too :)

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One of the reasons why i got my licence changed to a photo card one was because my old paper one was not counted as valid id because it did not have a photo .With the photo card you do not need the paper counterpart at all ,that is being discontinued as well

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I have used my senior citizen bus pass as a form of ID before now, the one with my mugshot on!

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the photo license isnt valid id with out the paper counter part

and and old paper license is still valid even for security checks see the links

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I never carry my paper counterpart ,in fact at this precise moment i have no idea where it is .I use my photo licence as the main source of id as i don't have a passport to use when traveling to ireland every few weeks ,The only reason why we have the paper counterpart is to show any endorsements and since that is being discontinued shortly it is not important and is not needed. If you use the old style paper licence you will be asked to back it up with photographic evidence such as a passport or other official evidence been there done that and it is a pain up the jacksy

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I only use my paper licence when hiring cars

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Someone comes up with an idea that many departments will profit from.
having to pay £20 is extortionate. it's not administration. it's profiteering with the approval of the government.

now you're going to tell me that it's only £20 every 10 years so it doesn't count.
but they are hoping that many thousands will forget and pay the pre-planned fine of £1,000.

and then they'll eventually change it to it needs renewing every year.

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have you a link to it being discontinued latest i can find just shows they are changing format slightly see http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/inf...-explained.htm

and you will still need both parts to get a bank account hire a car or get a CRB

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...oring-red-tape

There you go ,you only need the counterpart to show what points you have apart from that it is useless

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I went to the Coop Bank to open a bank account and ask for their credit card and they accepted my paper licence as my ID, and they also accepted my Identity Card that my mother had to have for me in 1943.

My paper licence does expire later this year and I have already applied for it, but it says in the notes that came with the application pages that I do not have to pay for my licence.

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pensioners don't have to pay ,as for using the paper one as id it is up to individuals but non photo id usually needs other forms of id to back it up

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What we need is a national identity card scheme......................

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:bsmack: :p:

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Whay I resent is that they are telling us we need to update our photos, which is a term of the licence they decided upon but in order to change my photo I apparently need to pay for it? They have told US to change it but THEY want us to pay for it!

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Well you pay my bill if you want ,i have a car licence and an automatic right to drive 7.5t lorries without any extra testing ,i have to fill out a tachograph everytime i drive it but the laws have changed so i have to have a digicard to use digital tachographs which have been introduced since 2006 ,that cost me £38 for what is basically the same as a Sky viewing card with my photo on it ,the same photo that was on the dvla's database .A driving licence only needs updating every 10yrs my digicard needs updating every 5 yrs at £38 a time plus my driving driving licence so every 10yrs i get pay £96

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Oh for the days of renewals every 3 years, for the princely sum of 7/6d. lol

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Blow it out your trafficator ;)

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You could give up your license. Then you wouldn't need to pay. ;) either that or move house as those changes are free of charge.

At least it's a reasonable charge instead of the ridiculous passport renewal fees.

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Yeh, move to the other address then go back to your old one next week :)