Government deal with overcrowding in prisons. By closing prisons.
 

You know how the prisons are ridiculously full? Obviously the fat, lazy cops just preying on motorists while waiting for their gold plated pensions are doing something right.

Well to deal with this the government have decided to build a spanking new super prison holding 2,000 inmates. To help pay for this they are closing six older prisons that hold 2,600 inmates.

Can anyone else see a potential issue here? Like losing 600 spaces?

Of course the cynic in me is sure that the new 'super' prison wont be run by the private sector... :rolleyes:

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Maybe the private sector can help pay for their prisons by offering inmates 'upgrade' packages that promise bigger cells, nicer beds, full english breakfast and a dedicated guard! Thus saving even more than £63 million a year.

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I know this may not be fashionable thinking, but I thought part of the reason we have many smaller prisons was in part to keep prisoners connected with family and friends that could potentially help them once they were released

Shipping people off to a 'super prison' that could be halfway across the country seems like it could cause issues as if someone hasn't got any support when they get out, what is to stop them falling back into whatever caused them to go to prison in the first place?

And yes I'm aware that this does happen now, but it must happen less than when they changes occur.

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It's totally consistent isn't it? HMG have long been dealing with the effects of a growing and ageing population by encouraging an influx of immigrants many of whom will stay here, have children and then grow old themselves... :confused: :rolleyes:

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And spend time in our overcrowded prisons?

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I would pay the upgrade if it mean't no one took my cherry lmao

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they would get a travel warrant home though they would not be expected to stay there

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Well if they pay taxes than this is fine. A lot of people are reaching pension age and there isn't the population to sustain it. As the baby boomer generation reaches retirement age we need more people to pay into the system so that the rest of us can afford their pensions, to redress the population balance.

For all the talk about foreign aid or 'skivers' it's the care and pensions for the elderly that really costs. Got to pay for it somehow...

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A lifestyle choice ? it is their own choice that they are in prison in the first place all they have to do is make the decision not to back into jail again .

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If x amount of immigrants arrive and pay taxes, it doesn't end up with x more taxpayers.:rolleyes: That taxable income would not be magically generated from thin air, it is taken from elsewhere. Just as the amount of housing, energy generation, health care, water supply, roads etc doesn't suddenly magically increase.

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I bet they leave the shutdown prisons standing long enough to start chucking disabled and poor people into. when they start being a nuisance.

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No it isn't. Adding to the population doesn't solve the problem it just makes the problem bigger and becomes a merry-go-round. If migration is going to be the solution to the care/pensions crisis it has to be temporary migration not permanent. We digress anyway... ;)

Surely the best way of controlling our prison population is to persuade people not to go down that route in the first place and even control our population better. Building more and more prisons to hold more and more people isn't sustainable. We may not like the idea of having controls on the number of children we can have but frankly I see it becoming inevitable.

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Probably worth pointing out that along with the new super prison there are 4 new mini prisons being built onto existing prisons

http://news.sky.com/story/1036053/si...project-begins

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They should find a tropical island to send all the criminals to :D

Re: Government deal with overcrowding in prisons. By closing prisons.
 

How about here?

Maybe not tropical but we could give them a coat to share.

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Gets my vote :D

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Or a couple lof mountain sheep to sheer. :D

Anyway I thought that's what Australia is for... :)

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Got no money.
got money to build a new big prison.
(save 63 million pound a year) peanuts.

got more money to extend existing prisons to house an extra 1,260 prisoners.

are we expecting a mass law breaking spree or something?

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Probably :D

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Hugh will tell you I'm right again.
I said this would happen :)

they're on the news talking about it as if it's a matter of urgency. and they say they'll be saving 63 million pounds a year (nobody has asked them how much it's going to cost to build and when will we see a return on our investment)

then they go and tell us that they're making more room as well as the new super prison to tell the courts that there's plenty of room so keep sending them.
(Super prison. in Britain. you never thought you'd hear them 2 words together did you)

it's all scary how nobody can see what's going on. only me :D

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You remember that other scam called "care in the community" that's led to God knows how many innocent bystanders being stabbed and assaulted over the years, well if they can keep saving money by closing prisons we might have "incarcerated in the community" along with the associated rise in muggings and burglaries for all those unlucky enough not to live in Secure Mansions or gated communities. :D

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If there's one think that needs investment and modernising in this country it's our prisons.

All the old Victorian installations, which is most of them, need bulldozing.

I'd of thought that a new modern facility would be welcomed.

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I agree ,it's a government project that will employ a good few people and doesn't cost an arm and a leg

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This is becoming a Daily Fail type thread. Surely it makes sense to decommission older prisons & replace them with newer ones which have better conditions for inmates & better training facilities to help prevent them from re-offending? Admittedly some inmates would be farther from their families, but it's a balance?

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My God. we're worrying about prisoners living in old buildings and their living conditions.

I'd be ok about giving them a brand new building to cheer them up a bit. as long as they triple their pocket money and allow them a new iphone and £20 worth of free credit every week.
(it has to roll over as well so they don't feel cheated)

Re: Government deal with overcrowding in prisons. By closing prisons.
 

It's also about the cost of maintaining these older prisons...

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£63 million pounds a year. which is absolutely nothing in savings compared to what other savings they're making elsewhere.

they just need more prison space to cope for what's coming. that's all.

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Prisoners cost us enough as it is why should we compound that by constantly forking out good money on ramshackle old buildings and pointless maintenance.
My only problem with this is that it is a government project ,it will be overcosted ,it will overrun on time and cost twice as much as originally quoted apart from that i'm good with it

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...and the civil servants responsible for the inevitable failures will be severely punished by getting moved to another department... :rolleyes:

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This is why we need new prisons ,must keep the little princesses happy musn't we .

Writing about conditions in Durham prison a prisoner says

It's not a bloody hotel

then try staying out of prison



Trouble is they cannot force the inmates to clean ,they are "encouraged"

Makes me want to puke

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Prisoners' should be entitled to clean conditions at least. It's not a hotel but there are basic sanitary conditions that have to be met. I mean if they're falling into a state of disrepair than that requires building work. If they're just dirty then get the prisoners to clean them.

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The wing is old but is serviceable ,i have done some work there a few years back (honest it was work ;))It does need pulling down and probably will be soon but in the meantime cleaning the cells is the prisoners responsibility some of the little darlings want a maid service though