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Fawkes 05-01-2013 14:23

Politicians should consider banning high sugar children’s foods
 
telegraph.co.uk

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Politicians should consider banning high sugar children’s foods like Frosties and Sugar Puffs, according to Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary.
What happened to informed choice? He's not suggesting a smoking ban, is that not bad for you too?

Hom3r 05-01-2013 14:27

Re: Politicians should consider banning high sugar children’s foods
 
Nanny state again.

denphone 05-01-2013 14:32

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The question is where does it all end?.

Fawkes 05-01-2013 14:48

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35519753)
The question is where does it all end?.

Not sure whether that’s sarcasm or not. I know it’s just an idea he is floating and MPs want to be seen to be doing something about the obesity crisis but I really don’t think it’s an MPs job to decide what we should and should not eat.

denphone 05-01-2013 14:54

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519763)
Not sure whether that’s sarcasm or not. I know it’s just an idea he is floating and MPs want to be seen to be doing something about the obesity crisis but I really don’t think it’s an MPs job to decide what we should and should not eat.

No it was not sarcasm because as we know with many things its usually the start of the slippery slope.

Fawkes 05-01-2013 15:01

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Exactly, educate don’t legislate.

Osem 05-01-2013 15:14

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I wish we could ban self serving, idiotic, hypocritical, sleazeball politicians. That'd do far more for the nations health I reckon, by bringing down blood pressure and stress related illness.

idiosyncratic 05-01-2013 15:26

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High sugar cereals have been around for years, many marketed originally in the 1950's. They haven't 'suddenly' started causing problems with diet.

My recollection was that the likes of Frosties, Sugar Puffs & Ricicles were viewed as 'treats' because they were more expensive than their less sugary equivalents of Corn Flakes, Puffed Wheat & Rice Krispies - which didn't taste quite the same, even if (as I did) you added loads of sugar!!!

I totally agree with the 'educate not legislate' views already expressed.

Taf 05-01-2013 15:29

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Obviously another politician trying to show he does something, even if it is another crusade.

Sirius 05-01-2013 15:35

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35519784)
I wish we could ban self serving, idiotic, hypocritical, sleazeball politicians. That'd do far more for the nations health I reckon, by bringing down blood pressure and stress related illness.

Gets my vote :tu:

martyh 05-01-2013 15:45

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and wouldn't you know it is a labour mp (Andy Burnham) who is suggesting this .This is typical of socialist behavior ....legislate everything but fail to solve any problems .

Fawkes 05-01-2013 15:49

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35519801)
and wouldn't you know it is a labour mp (Andy Burnham) who is suggesting this .This is typical of socialist behavior ....legislate everything but fail to solve any problems .

Don't pretend the rest are any better.

denphone 05-01-2013 15:53

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519804)
Don't pretend the rest are any better.

Indeed they are all as bad as each other.:td:

Mr_love_monkey 05-01-2013 15:57

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35519769)
Don't ban, just name and shame the products: Would you give your kids a breakfast "cereal" that is actually 37% sugar? Not to mention salt and fat.

Once again a brand leader pushes crap food on the population, what a surprise. :rolleyes:

People buy it... hence they make it.

Sadly, a lot of people don't care what kind of crap they feed their kids - no one in their right mind could ever think Frosties were healthy - and how anyone can seriously believe that breakfast cereal should 'turn the milk chocolatey' (different brand I know, but the principle is the same)

Banning things is always the best option as it saves addressing the real problem - that a bunch of people are too thick to work out what a balanced healthy diet is

Stuart 05-01-2013 16:01

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519746)
telegraph.co.uk



What happened to informed choice? He's not suggesting a smoking ban, is that not bad for you too?

So, our children are fat because they eat too much sugar in cereal? Not because successive governments and councils have cut spending on school dinners while also allowing a whole load of fast food takeaways to open near schools? Also not because a lot of parents would rather give their kids money than actually spend 5 minutes making a packed lunch?

martyh 05-01-2013 16:02

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519804)
Don't pretend the rest are any better.

Oh i'm not ,simply pointing out that it is typical of labour to worry about stuff like this instead of putting forward suggestions on how to cure the mess they left us in .It is the parents responsibility to ensure their kids aren't fat not the governments .My parents wouldn't buy the likes of Sugar Puffs because they are covered in sugar ,that is obvious to anyone ,they did not need government legislation to tell them that ,and what is the point of this proposed legislation when the kids have so many other sources of sugar and unhealthy food that won't be covered

Fawkes 05-01-2013 16:09

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Most people seem to agree it's a bad idea here.
I was expecting I'd have to defend my position when I read all the comments on the Guardian about not being able to rely on the bad parents to do their job.
They are lining up other there to let the government decide their diet plan.

Gary L 05-01-2013 16:15

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If we were all equal. we were all as rich as each other. nobody would even think about telling anyone else what they can and can't do. or what they can and can't eat.

strange but true :)

I was watching something about this in the news the other day about a certain percentage of people don't know how much sugar and salt and all the other things that keep people in jobs is in their food.

the guy said could it be that nobody just don't care?
he said they do care.

if they cared then they'd know how much content was in the food that they cared enough about to still buy and eat it.

martyh 05-01-2013 16:23

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519820)
Most people seem to agree it's a bad idea here.
I was expecting I'd have to defend my position when I read all the comments on the Guardian about not being able to rely on the bad parents to do their job.
They are lining up other there to let the government decide their diet plan.

and that is part of the problem ,people are so used to governments interfering and legislating everything they have forgotten how to think for themselves and governments do it because it is easy .Instead of working on ways to change how people think they simply make laws to try to force people into certain behavior

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35519823)
If we were all equal. we were all as rich as each other. nobody would even think about telling anyone else what they can and can't do. or what they can and can't eat.

strange but true :)

I was watching something about this in the news the other day about a certain percentage of people don't know how much sugar and salt and all the other things that keep people in jobs is in their food.

the guy said could it be that nobody just don't care?
he said they do care.

if they cared then they'd know how much content was in the food that they cared enough about to still buy and eat it.

People buy what they can afford and companies manufacture what people want at a price that is affordable.In an ideal world we would be eating all natural food with no additives but few can afford to eat that

Maggy 05-01-2013 16:37

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The problem that cereals that are good for us taste like cardboard.Eating muesli is like eating the contents of the budgie's cage.Bleugh!

Far better to eat fresh fruit and veg and get your fibre that way.

Mr_love_monkey 05-01-2013 16:45

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35519845)
Eating muesli is like eating the contents of the budgie's cage.Bleugh!

....and you know this, how? :)

Fawkes 05-01-2013 16:49

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35519848)
....and you know this, how? :)

The budgie told her.

Maggy 05-01-2013 16:50

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Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 35519848)
....and you know this, how? :)

by the smell...;)

AdamD 05-01-2013 16:57

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What cereal these days doesn't have an excess of something bad? Be it sugar, or salt.

I myself eat shredded wheat and Kellogs fruit and fibre (to give it a bit more taste heh)

That probably has bad stuff in it too.

Chris 05-01-2013 17:41

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35519845)
The problem that cereals that are good for us taste like cardboard.Eating muesli is like eating the contents of the budgie's cage.Bleugh!

Far better to eat fresh fruit and veg and get your fibre that way.

Our Westeern palates are so overloaded with sugar they've become desensitised to it. That's why cereals that aren't stuffed full of sugar, sugar and more sugar just taste to us like cardboard.

It is possible to re-educate your tongue, with a little persistence. These days I'm amazed at how sugary plain old shreddies with skimmed milk tastes.

Maggy 05-01-2013 17:43

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Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35519863)
What cereal these days doesn't have an excess of something bad? Be it sugar, or salt.

I myself eat shredded wheat and Kellogs fruit and fibre (to give it a bit more taste heh)

That probably has bad stuff in it too.

Actually Shredded wheat is the one product that does not have sugar or salt in it.With fresh fruit and/or yoghurt it's a very healthy choice.

Ramrod 05-01-2013 17:46

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35519748)
Nanny state again.

Indeed.......and oh look, it's Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary.......Labour again.
They really won't be happy till it's 1984 every year :dozey:

Osem 05-01-2013 18:03

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35519915)
Indeed.......and oh look, it's Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary.......Labour again.
They really won't be happy till it's 1984 every year :dozey:

Maybe they feel that when the entire population is used to being told what to eat, drink, wear and think they'll have jobs for lives and all the perks that accompany them. I might be wrong of course...

Fawkes 05-01-2013 18:24

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35519911)
Actually Shredded wheat is the one product that does not have sugar or salt in it.With fresh fruit and/or yoghurt it's a very healthy choice.

Not if you have coeliac disease like me :(

Maggy 05-01-2013 18:28

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Originally Posted by Fawkes (Post 35519968)
Not if you have coeliac disease like me :(

I'm sorry to hear that but for the majority who don't it is a healthy choice.;)

Tezcatlipoca 05-01-2013 18:50

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http://twitter.com/stuartsharpe/stat...26950635991040

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Originally Posted by Stuart Sharpe
I agree warning labels on cereal boxes are needed. When someone buys a pack of Sugar Puffs, how are they supposed to know it contains sugar?


Maggy 05-01-2013 19:39

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Sheesh!

Hom3r 05-01-2013 20:42

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They should worry more about not fiddling there expenses.

Pierre 06-01-2013 10:26

Re: Politicians should consider banning high sugar children’s foods
 
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Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35519975)

You'll be telling me coco pops has chocolate in it next!

Sirius 06-01-2013 10:36

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35519989)
They should worry more about not fiddling there expenses.

Now that i can agree with :clap:

I eat what i want when i want and the Goverment should butt out and deal with the real issues facing this country. :mad:

Mr_love_monkey 06-01-2013 20:36

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35520057)
You'll be telling me coco pops has chocolate in it next!

Nah, it's actually made from rabbit droppings...

Hugh 06-01-2013 21:03

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35520061)
Now that i can agree with :clap:

I eat what i want when i want and the Goverment should butt out and deal with the real issues facing this country. :mad:

tbf, obesity and diabetes are quite major problems in this country at this time.

Pierre 06-01-2013 21:30

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35520344)
tbf, obesity and diabetes are quite major problems in this country at this time.

Which is exactly why the nation should take responsibility, follow the creed of your sig, and not expect the government to wet nurse them.

martyh 06-01-2013 21:51

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Obesity is a problem ,that is true ,but what is the point of legislation like this without lifestyle changes to go with it .Anyone who has been trying to lose weight will tell you it is not simply about eating less sugary food ,a persons lifestyle is just as important so with this in mind when will the government pass laws to force us all to have 5 mile runs in the morning ,compulsory gym membership or forced bike ownership to keep us all fit when we are eating less sugary foods .

If kids and some adults are still going to be sitting watching tv or playing computer games for hours on end they will still get fat even with less sugar intake .Education is the way forward

Damien 07-01-2013 07:30

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35520353)
Obesity is a problem ,that is true ,but what is the point of legislation like this without lifestyle changes to go with it .Anyone who has been trying to lose weight will tell you it is not simply about eating less sugary food ,a persons lifestyle is just as important so with this in mind when will the government pass laws to force us all to have 5 mile runs in the morning ,compulsory gym membership or forced bike ownership to keep us all fit when we are eating less sugary foods .

If kids and some adults are still going to be sitting watching tv or playing computer games for hours on end they will still get fat even with less sugar intake .Education is the way forward

To be fair a healthy diet is the most important factor in maintaining a healthy weight. If you eat reasonably then that can make the biggest difference.

Hugh 07-01-2013 08:48

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35520349)
Which is exactly why the nation should take responsibility, follow the creed of your sig, and not expect the government to wet nurse them.

It doesn't have to be binary - why not educate and legislate?

Fawkes 07-01-2013 19:51

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35520388)
It doesn't have to be binary - why not educate and legislate?

I don’t have a problem with legislation designed to encourage health eating or the production of lower sugar products. It’s when politicians start using the B word I get upset. Compelling people to change to something the government of the day decides is best doesn’t have a good track recorded of working.


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