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I think that although this comment was a little insensitive, it wasn't intended to offend. |
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Maybe they all have good vision...
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maybe i should complain that they seem to think people with learning difficulties all have low IQ's mines well over 140 ;) ( proper test not online ;) ) and i am Dyslexic
bit over sensitive i feel some are ( best Yoda voice ;) ) |
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An IQ of 60 or lower would put you in the bottom 0.25% of the population. One person in very 400, or 150,000 people in the UK.
That said, it does look like an off-the-cuff remark which would be probably wouldn't be offensive in the right company. Unfortunately for Mr. Bainbridge, National Television isn't that. |
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I watched it before going to work and people where just not listening to him .He went to great pains to explain that IQ is worked out as a comparison to the average .So if the population had an average IQ of 100 then someone with an IQ of 60 would be a carrot. And there are over 300 different methods of measuring IQ so a person with learning difficulties would not be measured in the same way that the average person is measured
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I'd bet that every single person who complained to the BBC was offended on behalf of someone else. I despair of our society, we really have completely lost the ability to hold things in proportion. Everything has become an excuse for outrage.
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Either way it was just an off the cuff remark that meant nothing and the numbers he used where just off the top of his head ---------- Post added at 18:21 ---------- Previous post was at 18:15 ---------- here's the video anyway so people can judge (scroll down) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Breakfast.html |
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As far as I am concerned, having heard the offensive remark, this just goes to prove that a high IQ does not make a person any more able to live in society or relate to his fellow human beings than the people he regards to be less than human due to their reduced IQ.
I have been tested and came out in the top percentage of what is purported to be a intellectual gauge of a persons level in general society but refused the membership I was offered after reading some of the elitist garbage spouted by many of Mensa's members. Having a high IQ does not absolve one from learning how to interact with other people or of realising that 'off the cuff remarks' can be offensive. My family have, over the years, fostered many young people who would have trouble getting an IQ of 60, they have been a joy to all who came into their lives, but I doubt whether they would have had the intellectual skills to voice their indignation at being likened to a carrot so I consider a complaint on their behalf to be totally in order. |
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i still think that the insulting thing is that people assume a learning difficulty means a low IQ not the comparison of 60 IQ to a vegatable
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What if I were to say "I've often found the word "dog" offensive to dogs. The proper term is "canine". "
"My mutt doesn't get offended when called a dog, as he's just a mutt so I get offended and complain on his behalf." If a person of a 60 IQ doesn't get offended from a remark, I really don't see why anyone else should complain on their behalf, especially from a so-called "off-the-cuff" remark that wasn't intended to cause offense. I think we have an awful lot of people in this country who just look for any excuse to get offended about something. |
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"learning difficulty" here means anything that can hinder you learning in a normal way so deafness dyslexia and autism are all in there
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However some forms of IQ testing are sometimes used to established the level of Learning Disability and to establish what avenues could be used to help with some lower results being used to help diagnosis and plan treatments/training regimes. Calling anyone a carrot may sound amusing, silly, or just 'off the cuff' insensitive but it is still an insult. Quote:
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I think you've misunderstood my post, perhaps I didn't explain it well. A dog is not a dog. A dog can be a dog, but it is also used as a derogatory term, hence why I suggested it is offensive. Bearing that in mind, do you still find what I wrote offensive? |
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"joglynne
Calling anyone a carrot may sound amusing, silly, or just 'off the cuff' insensitive but it is still an insult." it may be insulting in some context but he was trying rather badly to give some sort of description to the numbers of IQ i think the reaction of complaining about it was a little over the top and insulting in the same manner as the the first description by the way i don't intend to complain about it ;) |
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Another example I've see in America is with the word "black". I can see them banning or attempting to ban that word entirely over there.
Black people are African American, whereas white people are still white people, oddly. Its gotten so bad, that the PC brigade are scratching their heads trying to figure out what on Earth to call an actual black sheep. Even here in the UK, authorities have decided it best to side-step the problem altogether, and just call it a "rainbow sheep". Nursery opts for "rainbow" sheep If black is deemed offensive, then surely so is "dog". |
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Another sign of the growing over sensitivity of society and the right for people to be offended on behalf of others lets be honest ask anyone (if you can find someone) with an iq of 60 or below and they probably have far better things as we all do to worry about. It will get to the point where people are so scared to say anything not pre approved or acceptable that truth will be a thing of the past in public only muttered behind closed doors. There are many truths in this world i would probably be offended by but that doesn't mean no one has the right to say them and my skin should be thick enough to hear it or failing that in relation to tele the remote control is your friend.
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It's pretty funny I think. Rude but funny.
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If I feel compelled to insult someone, I will. There are plenty of thick people out there, I fear they are the majority. I'm fairly sure that the average guest list for the Jeremy Kyle show would struggle to hit an IQ of 60, collectively. On the flip side, as I have always stated, if you're offended by something....so what. Being offended is a personal reaction to an event that only affects you, and you alone. Just because you may be offended doesn't mean anyone else is, or that any apology is required. So if you're offended, be offended, but do so quietly. |
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@ Sparkle. Calling a dog a dog can only be regarded as derogatory by the person doing it. Anyone hearing the description would only hear the word and not the insult intended. Now if you were to call me a dog I may just wop you one. :D
@ Roger. The man who made this comment prides himself on his superior IQ. Surely he is responsible for the words that come out of his mouth. I did not make a formal complaint and do not intend to do so but I do think the apology was needed though not from the BBC but from the " leading member of high IQ society Mensa" who voiced an opinion on National Television. Should we not stand up for those of us who, for no fault of their own, do not have the ability stand up for themselves. Is standing up against this type of stereotyping now not allowed? Is there now a form of second class level of society that can become victims because no one will speak on their behalf. Chris earlier in the thread said :- Quote:
I now realise my views are out of line with the way some of you view your obligations to protect certain groups of society but I make no apologies for my opinions and will now withdraw from this thread. |
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This was crap when it was first reported in 1986, and it still is now - as Private Eye reported Quote:
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How is it crap? They removed the word black, did they not?
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...aa-Black-Sheep If they want to sing about other colours/shapes, then they can sing a different nursery rhyme rather than change an old classic. Looks like maybe the "explanation" is to avoid coming under fire for excessive political correctness. ---------- Post added at 00:48 ---------- Previous post was at 00:40 ---------- Another from the huff.. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_1414042.html ---------- Post added at 01:02 ---------- Previous post was at 00:48 ---------- The way I see it, is like this. If the class wanted to add in different words, they could do so without omitting the word black. Additionally, one has to remember that schools for young children are notorious politically correct. This might shed some light on why: http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6004257 ---------- Post added at 01:11 ---------- Previous post was at 01:02 ---------- Racism witch hunts in schools Seems to be lots of these cases, beggars belief really. |
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Read the quote above - the word 'black' wasn't removed.....
btw, loved the last link in your post - the viewpoint of an organisation run by a man who used to fund the BNP is bound to be truly unbiased...... |
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At the end of the day he did not direct any statement or off the cuff remark at anyone with learning difficulties ,he did not say "people with learning difficulties and a IQ of 60 are carrots" he was referring to average people and quite a few i know could easily be described as a carrot .It's absolutely ridiculous that such a fuss is made when people make these kind of remarks .Listen to the full interview and take in the context it was said in ,don't analyze it and try to find hidden meanings that aren't there
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What about the carrots? They are the ones insulted
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the vitamins are offended.
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If you'd even read the articles you'd realise that yes, they actually DID remove the word black - unless the express article misreported the facts. Quote:
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Though granted, it was late last night and I didn't actually see the "Britain First" wording, but there were so many articles on this topic to choose from, I didn't even look. Just skim read the article, that's all. I could understand your critique IF there isn't excessive political correctness in schools, but surely you agree that there is? So if you agree, then why try to find some flaw in what I'm writing, when you agree that there is a problem? On the other hand, maybe you don't agree. Perhaps you think the status quo is fine and dandy. If that's the case, then I can understand your approach. But here's the problem... Not Britain first nor the BNP wrote this article I linked to earlier: http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?storycode=6004257 They didn't write this one either: Children accused of bigotry Nor this one: 3 year olds labeled bigots Nor this one: 7 year old boy accused of racism From the above link: Quote:
Its all PC madness I tell you ! :D |
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*sigh* yourself, buddy.
It has been proven that the article you quoted was incorrect - Private Eye, as I quoted earlier, stated (and here it is again just in case your missed it) Quote:
I agree with you that some people feel the need to, for whatever reason, over-compensate, and this is wrong - however, it doesn't lessen the point I was trying to make which was that the original "black sheep" stories in the popular press were complete misinterpretations of what actually happened. |
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An erroneous quote on this forum page is all I can see. This is where I take issue.. After trawling the web, I've found references to this private eye story, dated 2006. Private eye reference The dates on the articles in question I've posted, which state "black" was removed, are dated 2012. Unless private eye have invented a time machine, I don't see how a story dated 2006 has any relevance whatsoever. *tries not to sigh* |
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Getting back to the OP, I've experienced something similar to this on a regular basis. Most people are cool about it but there are always a small few who when I mention I have ADHD imply I'm somehow 'backward' - that word even being used once. Another scenario is they'll suggest (or even state) it's just an excuse for poor/disruptive/irresponsible behaviour. I'm cool with it by now (although that doesn't excuse it) and when they tell me I'm imagining it and that it's "all in your head" I reply, "It's a neurological condition, therefore of course it's in my head. Where would it be, in my ankle?"
Having never received a suitable comeback from that, I always enjoy the look on their face as they slink away :D |
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