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Qtx 19-12-2012 01:35

Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Nothing exciting to see on these yet but i'm interested to see any consistency or differences between everyone.

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Mick Fisher 19-12-2012 12:04

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/17.png

You can just see that test torrent I'm downloading.

qasdfdsaq 19-12-2012 17:35

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...16-12-2012.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-12-2012.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...14-12-2012.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...13-12-2012.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...12-12-2012.png

Qtx 19-12-2012 18:59

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
qas :scratch:

Get your point :p:

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Although I have never witnessed it personally, there seems to be a little latency spike about every 5 hours and 45 minutes. Would that be DLM related?

Mick Fisher 19-12-2012 19:37

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35514158)
qas :scratch:

Get your point :p:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...19-12-2012.png

Although I have never witnessed it personally, there seems to be a little latency spike about every 5 hours and 45 minutes. Would that be DLM related?

I dunno? I have a feeling it might be the sky router sending it's credentials to the server.

qasdfdsaq 20-12-2012 04:08

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
It wouldn't be DLM. DLM gives you a red line once a day between 2am and 6am.

pabscars 20-12-2012 08:21

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
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From a couple of months ago now, I dont leave the monitor running 24/7 I dont see the point :)

Kymmy 20-12-2012 08:28

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Thread Title changed

(not cable) to (Not VirginMedia Cable)

qasdfdsaq 20-12-2012 11:03

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35514329)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...14-10-2012.png

From a couple of months ago now, I dont leave the monitor running 24/7 I dont see the point :)

I do, lets you proactively see any developing faults and essentially gives you a constant log of past issues as well. In my case for example I can tell when interleaving was switched on my line and its exact effect.

Qtx 20-12-2012 11:21

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35514330)
Thread Title changed

(not cable) to (Not VirginMedia Cable)

Thought it should be obvious as this is in the sub section Other ISPs Discussion. Figured with just Cable in the title only we could keep the Smallworld riffriff out too ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35514305)
It wouldn't be DLM. DLM gives you a red line once a day between 2am and 6am.

Good to know. Not actually seen any of them yet.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35514394)
I do, lets you proactively see any developing faults

This!

pabscars 20-12-2012 12:38

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Fair point gents but the other reason I failed to mention was the router stops responding to pings when the DMZ is used.

I use the DMZ pretty much all the time so it's not always convenient

qasdfdsaq 20-12-2012 12:57

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Yeah, I wouldn't keep running it at the cost of actually impairing the usability of your own network. But when it affects nothing and can be of benefit I always leave it running.

driz 20-12-2012 13:04

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Can't figure out how to set up a TBB one, but:

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Fastpath but dodgy BT routing means latency higher than it should be. Used to get 6ms on Be fastpath. :(

Chrysalis 20-12-2012 19:50

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I keep mine running but now dont check it much.

My graph is pretty much the same as Qas's except I have a thicker blue line which suggests I have a bigger gap between min and average latency. Is a bit odd but its nothing major.

My graph is fast path but like driz some may be mistaken for thinking its interleaved due to BTw routing. Also in terms of yellow spikes that seem at regular intervals it could be router related, my billion 7402NX when I was using it had yellow spikes on my FTTC, but now on the asus rt-n16 they gone.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-12-2012.png

qasdfdsaq 21-12-2012 10:40

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by driz (Post 35514480)
Can't figure out how to set up a TBB one, but:

http://f8luresig.mouselike.org/sig.png?/48975.png

Fastpath but dodgy BT routing means latency higher than it should be. Used to get 6ms on Be fastpath. :(

Do a traceroute? 20ms doesn't look like fastpath to me, then again fastpath doesn't exist on FTTC

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35514712)
My graph is pretty much the same as Qas's except I have a thicker blue line which suggests I have a bigger gap between min and average latency. Is a bit odd but its nothing major.

Differences like that tend to be down to differences in the way our two routers handle pings. That's not unusual, the constant yellow fluff on Sagem routers is another example (e.g. Sky)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35514712)
My graph is fast path but like driz some may be mistaken for thinking its interleaved due to BTw routing. Also in terms of yellow spikes that seem at regular intervals it could be router related, my billion 7402NX when I was using it had yellow spikes on my FTTC, but now on the asus rt-n16 they gone.

BT may use N+N redundancy which means load is always spread across all available paths (including the backup ones) even when the main isn't faulted. Just my speculation.

In any case it varies a lot based on IP, and reconnecting your PPPoE session can change your ping quite a bit. I've seen differences of +/- 5ms even when connected to the same PPPoE gateway. Mine varies between 18ms minimum and 23ms maximum depending on my IP so when my session drops (if ever) I tend to redial frantically till I get one with the lowest latency then keep it there :-P

driz 21-12-2012 13:00

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
This is a few months old, but it hasn't changed much:

Code:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms a.router [10.1.1.254]
2 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms slowhop2 [217.32.147.97] <--- Yay it's only 6ms first hop!
3 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms randhop3 [217.32.147.142]
4 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms randhop4 [213.120.181.142]
5 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms slowhop5 [217.41.169.197]
6 12 ms 11 ms 11 ms slowhop6 [217.41.169.109]
7 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 109.159.251.235
8 22 ms 27 ms 24 ms core2-te0-13-0-2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.251.139]
9 16 ms 22 ms 83 ms peer2-xe10-1-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.254.116]
10 19 ms 18 ms 17 ms 194.74.65.42
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 22 ms 28 ms 22 ms ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
13 18 ms 19 ms 21 ms 132.185.255.134
14 18 ms 20 ms 19 ms 212.58.241.131

This is the reverse from a VPS in London (again a bit old):

Code:

traceroute to drizzys.ip (x.x.x.x), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 212.111.33.229 (212.111.33.229) 5.175 ms 5.211 ms 5.245 ms
2 212.111.33.233 (212.111.33.233) 0.469 ms 0.518 ms 0.566 ms
3 te3-1-border76-01.lon2.telecity.net (217.20.44.217) 0.664 ms * *
4 85.90.238.45 (85.90.238.45) 0.867 ms * *
5 1-0-peer12-01.lon2.telecity.net (85.90.226.206) 0.862 ms * *
6 linx2.ukcore.bt.net (195.66.236.10) 0.864 ms 0.891 ms 0.862 ms
7 109.159.254.117 (109.159.254.117) 4.028 ms 3.935 ms 3.696 ms
8 acc2-10GigE-1-1-0.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.251.134) 9.648 ms 9.601 ms 9.621 ms
9 core2-gig9-0-0.sheffield.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.251.226) 11.886 ms 11.729 ms 11.795 ms
10 217.41.169.108 (217.41.169.108) 11.548 ms 11.533 ms 11.622 ms
11 217.41.169.232 (217.41.169.232) 9.479 ms 9.418 ms 9.508 ms
12 213.120.181.125 (213.120.181.125) 16.919 ms 213.120.181.173 (213.120.181.173) 16.339 ms 213.120.181.125 (213.120.181.125) 17.121 ms
...snipped...

Keep in mind I live in zone 3 southwest London and my traffic is going via Sheffield...

Also - I get the same gap between blue/yellow as Chrysalis, which is a bit weird. Didn't get it on Be using the same router (Billion 7800N). Could be down to EWAN vs ADSL on the router but in reality probably not, more mystery BT network shenanigans! :)

Chrysalis 21-12-2012 13:40

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
these first hops on BT without rdns are very annoying when doing traceroutes from a windows machine as windows waits 5 seconds on those hops. So now I do my FTTC traceroutes on my router as that doesnt pause when no rdns.

I see driz got round it by adding the ips to hosts file :)

qasdfdsaq 22-12-2012 06:44

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Yeah you're right, that is funny BT routing.

That said the routing may be the cause of the extra blueness, if different packets come back different ways and therefore take different times. I do tend to find a lot of flapping around on my BT "routing".

Qtx 07-01-2013 10:32

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Feeling guilty having such a nice connection while reading about all the others in my area who are having major issues on Virgin :Sprint:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-01-2013.png

qasdfdsaq 07-01-2013 10:41

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Pfft. I gloat a bit in the same situation.

Chrysalis 07-01-2013 11:52

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I am using the hosts trick now also :)

Code:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  home.gateway [192.168.1.253]
  2    4 ms    4 ms    4 ms  bt.internal [217.32.144.166]
  3    5 ms    4 ms    5 ms  bt.internal [217.32.144.206]
  4    7 ms    6 ms    7 ms  bt.internal [213.120.181.58]
  5    7 ms    7 ms    6 ms  bt.internal [217.41.169.95]
  6    7 ms    6 ms    6 ms  bt.internal [217.41.169.109]
  7    6 ms    6 ms    6 ms  bt.internal [109.159.251.211]
  8    19 ms    18 ms    15 ms  core1-te0-2-4-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.25
1.141]
  9    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  peer2-xe10-0-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.
254.128]
 10    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  194.74.65.42
 11    *        *        *    Request timed out.
 12    18 ms    16 ms    14 ms  ae1.er01.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.46]
 13    16 ms    19 ms    16 ms  132.185.255.60
 14    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.241.131


Qtx 07-01-2013 12:04

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Only 9 Hops from my connection. There really should be at least 2 less in yours too, strange how they have routed at the start.

ferretuk 07-01-2013 22:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/01/57.png

Qtx 14-01-2013 23:01

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
The plusnet graph is looking nice. How are you finding it?

Managed to get a little blue in my graph today :P

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...14-01-2013.png

craigj2k12 23-01-2013 16:07

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
All the plusnet graphs seems to show utilisation at peak time each night

http://craigswebsites.co.uk/ping

qasdfdsaq 23-01-2013 17:57

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
And Virgin Media graphs don't? :p:

craigj2k12 23-01-2013 18:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35526610)
And Virgin Media graphs don't? :p:

Not at peak no, at all times ;)

Qtx 23-01-2013 23:03

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Getting excited here, actually got a little peak which is out of the ordinary.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...23-01-2013.png

Unusually I downloaded 40gb today, which used to be my monthly combined usage. Those downloads are the long yellow rises though.

Mick Fisher 24-01-2013 15:34

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Pretty much as per usual here.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-01-2013.png

The spikes at 6pm are me downloading, the long yellow rise at 2pm is me downloading 8hrs of HD catchup TV off on demand via iPlayer.

Qtx 25-01-2013 10:52

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35527038)

The spikes at 6pm are me downloading, the long yellow rise at 2pm is me downloading 8hrs of HD catchup TV off on demand via iPlayer.

Killer spikes you have there...lol :D In fact your graph actually makes mine look bad!

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Mick Fisher 25-01-2013 14:35

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35527332)
Killer spikes you have there...lol :D In fact your graph actually makes mine look bad!

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-01-2013.png

It's always looked like that. Is it the difference between SFU and SFUP? I have no idea. :confused:

Qtx 25-01-2013 14:51

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I was joking about the spikes :D your connection looks like it hasn't been used lol

Now I have to go and researcher some new acronyms...

Mick Fisher 25-01-2013 15:26

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35527448)
I was joking about the spikes :D your connection looks like it hasn't been used lol

Now I have to go and researcher some new acronyms...

I'm sure you will work them out quickly :)

Qtx 25-01-2013 15:38

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35527478)
I'm sure you will work them out quickly :)

As long as the first one isnt missing a T :Oh:

With the openreach fibre rollout being so recent and done so quickly I would assume most of the equipment is the same in each area. No idea if BT has mixed equipment due to cheaper deals or better equipment coming out since they started the rollout.

qasdfdsaq 31-01-2013 04:56

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Check out my spikes, bitches!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2013/01/2.png

craigj2k12 31-01-2013 10:43

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Currently have mine in Virgin Media mode :D

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Qtx 31-01-2013 11:07

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
That is some monster furry yellow caterpillar in your graph Craig :shocked:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...31-01-2013.png

craigj2k12 31-01-2013 12:20

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Ill put it back to normal when ive finished playing

Looks like you are getting quite a bit of peak congestion there

qasdfdsaq 31-01-2013 17:14

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35529729)
Currently have mine in Virgin Media mode :D

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...30-01-2013.png

You had me convinced, I actually thought I was looking at the wrong thread!

MaverickJesus 02-02-2013 11:55

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
For what it's worth, here's my Sky Fibre graph (from Cheltenham).

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/02/21.png

The blip is me flatlining it to try and make a VM style dent in the graph, no comparison really :D. This is still stock with a locked Huawei modem and the not-quite-as-bad-as-the-Superhub "Sky Hub", haven't got around to putting my 'proper' hardware behind it. Very impressed.

Averaging ~11ms ping to London, awesome for gaming. VM from here was ~20ms at best due to some arse end of nowhere style routing.

craigj2k12 02-02-2013 12:41

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35530546)
This is still stock with a locked Huawei modem

If you unlock the Huawei modems you can disable QoS and get yourself some more upstream bandwidth

djstevie 02-02-2013 15:23

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I've been having a nightmare with my Sky Unlimited line for the past few weeks. Noise levels keep fluctuating from the target of 7db to 1db on the downstream. The upstream level was showing as 102db:dozey: the other day.

Have tried a replacement router and still the same. Also see my gaming profile was removed this morning as my ping is higher. Speaking to Sky is like banging my head off a brick wall.:rolleyes:

Im jealous of all you lot on fibre :p:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...02-02-2013.png

Qtx 02-02-2013 15:38

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
On the plus side... not much blue in your graph...:tiptoe:

Harsh graph, a reminder to those who take their shiney fiber for granted that some still have a 3rd world peasent like DSL :(

craigj2k12 02-02-2013 15:45

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35530748)
some still have a 3rd world peasent like DSL :(

I have DSL, as do you... its not 3rd world peasant like at all

Qtx 02-02-2013 15:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Those on DSL who live out in the sticks, miles from civilisation and an exchange..were the types I was reffering too :P

craigj2k12 03-02-2013 00:36

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35530768)
Those on DSL who live out in the sticks, miles from civilisation and an exchange..were the types I was reffering too :P

They could be close to the cabinet though

Qtx 03-02-2013 00:52

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35531039)
They could be close to the cabinet though

Fibre cabinets are like mini-exchanges anyway. As good as being close to the actual exchange building :)

Chrysalis 03-02-2013 01:26

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35530748)
On the plus side... not much blue in your graph...:tiptoe:

Harsh graph, a reminder to those who take their shiney fiber for granted that some still have a 3rd world peasent like DSL :(

you mean adsl ;)

FTTC is still DSL based, its VDSL2.

craigj2k12 03-02-2013 01:29

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35531053)
you mean adsl ;)

FTTC is still DSL based, its VDSL2.

My point exactly

Qtx 03-02-2013 01:38

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35531053)
you mean adsl ;)

FTTC is still DSL based, its VDSL2.

Can I blame auto-correct on the phone for that? :sulk:

Yeah, I do know that but its late, im tired...and he knew what I meant anyway :D

djstevie 03-02-2013 09:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Its only recently i have been having issues. Normally the graph is very stable with next to no packet loss but for some reason there has been lots of packet loss recently and i'm at a loss to explain whats causing it. Have sent an email to Sky's executive team to see if they can resolve as i keep getting conflicting information from the call centres.

Look at todays packet loss its slowly getting worse.

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Heres one from the 24th Jan which is decent.

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jalzoo 03-02-2013 14:09

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
TalkTalk 76/20 FTTC

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MaverickJesus 03-02-2013 15:25

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35530546)
For what it's worth, here's my Sky Fibre graph (from Cheltenham).

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/02/21.png

The blip is me flatlining it to try and make a VM style dent in the graph, no comparison really :D. This is still stock with a locked Huawei modem and the not-quite-as-bad-as-the-Superhub "Sky Hub", haven't got around to putting my 'proper' hardware behind it. Very impressed.

Averaging ~11ms ping to London, awesome for gaming. VM from here was ~20ms at best due to some arse end of nowhere style routing.

Just did an unlock, max attainable for my line is 86/28, which is not bad when BT quoted 56/20. Also disabled QoS (did get the vaunted upload boost) and used Wireshark to dump the DHCP Option 61 stuff from my Sky Hub. Just need to configure my router with it and I can finally bin the Sky crap :cool:

Qtx 03-02-2013 16:55

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35531299)
Just did an unlock, max attainable for my line is 86/28, which is not bad when BT quoted 56/20. Also disabled QoS (did get the vaunted upload boost) and used Wireshark to dump the DHCP Option 61 stuff from my Sky Hub. Just need to configure my router with it and I can finally bin the Sky crap :cool:

Still using the Sky hub and locked modem as everything just worked fine anyway. Had read how to unlock the modem before and had the firmware downloaded so figured I would give it a try just now....turns out I have the ECI modem and not the Huawei model :(

Only had a quick look but seems to be no straight forward way of doing the ECI B-FOCus V-2FUb/r Rev B

Chrysalis 04-02-2013 01:02

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35531366)
Still using the Sky hub and locked modem as everything just worked fine anyway. Had read how to unlock the modem before and had the firmware downloaded so figured I would give it a try just now....turns out I have the ECI modem and not the Huawei model :(

Only had a quick look but seems to be no straight forward way of doing the ECI B-FOCus V-2FUb/r Rev B

its a pain and the new ECI's also are not very good unlocked, openreach had the firmware really gutted out. eg. the 2nd lan port cannot be made to work, no way to get error stats, no gui, and there is no configuring qos, lan ip etc.

The good news is tho the ECI doesnt need a QoS adjustment to get full upload speeds, it gets full speeds out of the box. Only the HG needs unlocking for that.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35531299)
Just did an unlock, max attainable for my line is 86/28, which is not bad when BT quoted 56/20. Also disabled QoS (did get the vaunted upload boost) and used Wireshark to dump the DHCP Option 61 stuff from my Sky Hub. Just need to configure my router with it and I can finally bin the Sky crap :cool:

*jealous*

your 56/20 to 86/28 more favourable than my higher estimated 65/20 to 73/24. Although I initially had 110/36.

I have decided to report my line as a fault now because I have found a issue affected by the voice which gives me a plausible reason to call in, I will do this after I have been moved over to the new totally unlimited infinity product.

I did find out from openreach staff tho the 2 reasons for the current line state I have. When I was on 110/36 my dslam wasnt even configured at all with the adsl power cutback modes, so when I got installed half a dozen adsl customers went offline, this makes me really wish I got my graphed data at the time so I would have seen the lack of power cutback on the adsl frequencies. So 90/36 is my real attainable I am trying to get back. The 2nd sync drop off happened when openreach did a power cutback on my upstream signal, they have now admitted to doing this, they do this in high crosstalk areas and my pair is conflicting with another thats further away from the cabinet so my signal was cutback to thelp the other. However they insist they didnt cutback the downstream signal and it seems that was weakened with the upstream power cutback (as both went down at same time). Incidently my cabinet is still closed for new orders now for over a month so I think they still considering making adjustments even tho they told me the case i closed. The fault I am going to report is a possible HR fault (high resistance) as I am seeing the snrm go down when the phone is in use, when the guy shows up I will ask for a pair swap and then hope this sorts out the crosstalk conflict issue. I hesitated to do this tho as asking for pair swaps can make things worse and my line is very stable.

qasdfdsaq 05-02-2013 00:19

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djstevie (Post 35531120)
Its only recently i have been having issues. Normally the graph is very stable with next to no packet loss but for some reason there has been lots of packet loss recently and i'm at a loss to explain whats causing it. Have sent an email to Sky's executive team to see if they can resolve as i keep getting conflicting information from the call centres.

Look at todays packet loss its slowly getting worse.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-02-2013.png


Heres one from the 24th Jan which is decent.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...24-01-2013.png

Modem stats please? For better feedback start a separate thread.

MaverickJesus 08-02-2013 16:09

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Really worried now, the congestion on my Sky Fibre line has increased massively compared to the last few days, could it be as bad as VM?


qasdfdsaq 08-02-2013 18:02

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I don't see any congestion at all

Hugh 08-02-2013 20:38

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I think Mr Irony was visiting....;)

qasdfdsaq 08-02-2013 21:54

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Oh :sleep:

pabscars 11-02-2013 08:58

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Heres a snapshot of mine now that I'm running Openwrt firmware on my WRT610N router, I set it up but after a while I realised it was buggering up my port forwarding (that I'd finally figured out) so turned TBB off.

No surprise but my minimum latency has improved a tad

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Ignore the red spike it was I rebooting the router. I can only assume Openwrt assumed the pings from TBB were a threat and shut down my port forwarding rules but I'm just guessing.

Mick Fisher 11-02-2013 15:51

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Looks pretty much like mine on my asus rt-n16 running tomatousb

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-02-2013.png

The peaks between 4 and 7pm are me downloading some stuff.

qasdfdsaq 12-02-2013 11:49

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35534955)
Heres a snapshot of mine now that I'm running Openwrt firmware on my WRT610N router, I set it up but after a while I realised it was buggering up my port forwarding (that I'd finally figured out) so turned TBB off.

No surprise but my minimum latency has improved a tad

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-02-2013.png

Ignore the red spike it was I rebooting the router. I can only assume Openwrt assumed the pings from TBB were a threat and shut down my port forwarding rules but I'm just guessing.

I just see blank

Mick Fisher 12-02-2013 14:13

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35535444)
I just see blank

Hmmm......Looking at my post and taking into account my remarks about when I was downloading it appears to be a live graph is being uploaded instead of the desired snapshot.

I presume the same glitch has occurred with pabs graph.

pabscars 12-02-2013 14:40

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35535444)
I just see blank

I'll try again,

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-02-2013.png

I think Mick is correct

---------- Post added at 14:40 ---------- Previous post was at 14:36 ----------

You can just make out the peak time congestion

Qtx 25-03-2013 17:46

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
The image in the previous post looks like the start of a new mario level part designed. Possibly fully designed but half eaten by a black hole.

Either way, bumping this thread due to the other one being locked

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-03-2013.png

craigj2k12 28-03-2013 14:15

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
oooh this looks nice

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/03/13.png

Qtx 28-03-2013 14:35

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Same blip on mine

Sephiroth 28-03-2013 14:46

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Same blip on my VM circuit (and, as a matter of interest) on my Infinity.

Mick Fisher 28-03-2013 14:48

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35554048)
Same blip on mine

and mine.

craigj2k12 29-03-2013 01:08

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35554044)

Cant figure out what the spikes are, originally thought they were consistent with Sky and ECI kit, but have seen the Sky ECI combo without so I am at a loss

lowei 30-03-2013 20:52

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Craig just out of interest you're not using a asus router are you because i have same spikes as you and cant figure out why.

Sephiroth 30-03-2013 21:06

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I'm using an ASUS router and don't get any spikes of that type.

Qtx 30-03-2013 21:30

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I can't be 100% sure but it does looks like I have had an increase of 1ms on my minimum/average latency

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...30-03-2013.png

Quote:

D:\>ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.251.195] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.251.195: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=120
Reply from 212.58.251.195: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=120
Reply from 212.58.251.195: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=120
Reply from 212.58.251.195: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=120

Ping statistics for 212.58.251.195:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 5ms, Average = 5ms
http://www.benbernankesdiary.com/wp-...tumbleweed.gif

That be a tumbleweed :D

craigj2k12 31-03-2013 09:13

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lowei (Post 35554739)
Craig just out of interest you're not using a asus router are you because i have same spikes as you and cant figure out why.

Nope, Linksys E4200 with DDWRT, but the same spikes were there with the Sky router

Qtx 01-04-2013 16:06

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Unusual for me but have downloaded 100GB in the last 24 hours. The computer being turned off at 2am when we went to bed is easily noticeable

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...01-04-2013.png

How does anyone these days live with being traffic managed after an hours usage at full speed? I wouldn't want to go back to that kind of connection!

craigj2k12 01-04-2013 16:19

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35555261)
How does anyone these days live with being traffic managed after an hours usage at full speed? I wouldn't want to go back to that kind of connection!


30Mb - 28 mins
60Mb - 20 mins
100Mb - 24 mins
120Mb - 22 mins

;)

Qtx 01-04-2013 16:34

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35555265)
30Mb - 28 mins
60Mb - 20 mins
100Mb - 24 mins
120Mb - 22 mins

;)

That is just shocking. 20 minutes full speed use then slowed down to 40% of your speed for 5 hours :shocked:

Are we just spoilt being Sky customers or are VM treating their customers bad? Getting an idea of how the upper class look down their nose as others now...

craigj2k12 01-04-2013 16:45

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35555268)
That is just shocking. 20 minutes full speed use then slowed down to 40% of your speed for 5 hours :shocked:

Thats providing you can reach full speed, having looked at the VM forum it looks like the national meltdown is getting worse, there were only a couple of areas congested when 50mb was launched, now it looks like its the entire network

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35555268)
Are we just spoilt being Sky customers or are VM treating their customers bad? Getting an idea of how the upper class look down their nose as others now...

Dont forget that Sky had utilisation issues on a large part of their network however all those issues were resolved within 1 to 5 weeks. VM's initial fix dates arent even that quick and I havent seen 1 case where the 1st date has been met

qasdfdsaq 01-04-2013 19:59

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Most VM TBB graphs don't look half as bad as they did a year or two ago...

craigj2k12 01-04-2013 22:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35555339)
Most VM TBB graphs don't look half as bad as they did a year or two ago...

I disagree, whist some of the better graphs do look even better, presumable with upstream capacity being added, there are still a lot of graphs that look very bad

qasdfdsaq 03-04-2013 07:26

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I'm talking about the days when graphs like this and this and this and this were a daily occurrence, and graphs literally filled with yellow weren't that rare either.

Other than on line faults, I've not seen one filled with yellow in a looooong time.

Sephiroth 03-04-2013 08:31

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35555272)
Thats providing you can reach full speed, having looked at the VM forum it looks like the national meltdown is getting worse, there were only a couple of areas congested when 50mb was launched, now it looks like its the entire network

.....

That'll be the mega-downloaders, then.

Qtx 03-04-2013 09:55

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35556084)
I'm talking about the days when graphs like this and this and this and this were a daily occurrence, and graphs literally filled with yellow weren't that rare either.

Other than on line faults, I've not seen one filled with yellow in a looooong time.

Amateur! :D

http://s23.postimg.org/glt9dzxnv/vmtbb.png

craigj2k12 03-04-2013 10:58

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35556084)
I'm talking about the days when graphs like this and this and this and this were a daily occurrence, and graphs literally filled with yellow weren't that rare either.

Other than on line faults, I've not seen one filled with yellow in a looooong time.

http://craigswebsites.co.uk/ping/

Plenty there

---------- Post added at 10:58 ---------- Previous post was at 10:57 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35556092)
That'll be the mega-downloaders, then.

You act like Sky and BT dont have "mega-downloaders"?

qasdfdsaq 03-04-2013 20:57

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35556153)

I only see 4 (out of what, 50?) that have over 50% fill.

Qtx 07-04-2013 11:51

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I have finally worked out what these graphs look like...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...07-04-2013.png

Obviously midget witches with big yellow witch hats walking under algae green water on their way to work!

Meekel 11-04-2013 01:28

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Got a favour to ask guys. According to Sky, my mates connection is fine. I don't know enough about ADSL lines, but I know a crap graph when I see it. Thoughts?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/04/33.png

craigj2k12 11-04-2013 08:03

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Looks like heavy usage on his side

Sephiroth 11-04-2013 09:12

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
What Craigie said.

pabscars 11-04-2013 09:39

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Meekel (Post 35559640)
Got a favour to ask guys. According to Sky, my mates connection is fine. I don't know enough about ADSL lines, but I know a crap graph when I see it. Thoughts?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/04/33.png

Pure guesswork but I take it your mate lives at the end of a very long (a few miles) piece of copper from the exchange judging by that base latency (either that or a fault possibly) , probably gets about 1 mbps download speed so dead easy to max his line out and make the TBB graph look pants.

Maybe the more knowledgeable gentry could expand on my suggestion :)

Also, what exchange is your mate connected too, it might be one that's suffering from hi demand.

Qtx 11-04-2013 18:20

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
That is the highest constant minimum latency I have seen. Some kind of adsl connection at the furthest distance any isp would dare to accept the connection?

The 6pm to 4pm looks like heavy usage as its ok the rest of the time, bar the high min latency

---------- Post added at 18:20 ---------- Previous post was at 18:19 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by pabscars (Post 35559664)
Pure guesswork but I take it your mate lives at the end of a very long (a few miles) piece of copper from the exchange judging by that base latency (either that or a fault possibly) , probably gets about 1 mbps download speed so dead easy to max his line out and make the TBB graph look pants.

I replied not seeing your post as it was on the next page, but I was obviously thinking along the same lines as you :D

qasdfdsaq 11-04-2013 20:24

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
The line would have to be 6000km long to cause that kind of latency.

The latency is nothing to do with line length, it's the interleaving that is the problem.

craigj2k12 11-04-2013 21:53

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35559875)
The latency is nothing to do with line length, it's the interleaving that is the problem.

++line length = more interleaving required = higher latency

So line length is a factor ;)

qasdfdsaq 12-04-2013 00:33

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Line length does not require interleaving, interference and noise does.

I've seen more interleaving on a 90m line than a 1900m line.

craigj2k12 12-04-2013 01:00

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Still a strong positive correlation between line length and quality, there may be exceptions but on the whole...

Sephiroth 12-04-2013 08:11

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I agree with you, Craigie. To put it politely, Qasi's peeled the onion back one layer; putting it otherwise, he's nitpicking again!

qasdfdsaq 13-04-2013 03:25

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
I disagree. There is a strong correlation between line length and attenuation, nothing else.

pabscars 20-05-2013 10:35

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
FYI, my Sky phone line developed a fault on Friday resulting in an earth fault external to the property, the phone was dead (but noisy), and the broadband was working OK ish, voice chat on xbox live was poor though as my mates kept saying I was breaking up.

Anyway I reported it too Sky about 5:30 on Friday evening, and by lunchtime Saturday it was fixed. It turned out to be a faulty twisted pair coming from a post some 5 meters away, whilst hear the engineer put fresh connectors on all our streets phone lines and the results are below, a thumbs up for Sky tech support, the BT Openreach engineer was fantastic, polite and professionally (took him 2.5 hours to find and fix the fault).

Nice result considering,

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...19-05-2013.png

Qtx 21-05-2013 11:11

Re: Post Your Fibre Think Broadband Ping Graphs (Not VirginMedia Cable)
 
Superb Pabscar! Not only a very fast fix but above and beyond what is expected with all the new connectors for the rest of the street. Quality :tu:


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