Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

On Watchdog today. about sending unwanted junk mail to people all over the country.
and getting around the mail preference service by addressing to 'The Householder' or 'The Occupier'

stop it Virgin. we're annoyed with the junk mail. and the amount of trees you have had cut down to make the paper! :(

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

A link would be nice..

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Right. So just VM then and no other companies? :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Yes.

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What's worse they continue sending the crap even to existing customers who are already with VM, or those who've just left because of pathetically poor service.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zkz1k

That's all I have for now.

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1- This is a Virgin Media forum.
2- It's not just Jimmy that abuses kids. but we had a thread just about him.
3- If you had a complaint about Tesco's. you wouldn't post it in the Asda forum. would you?

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I think they've cut down that many trees and have too much paper. so they don't care who they send it to. they just want to get rid of the paper so they can cut down some more trees :)

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Well as I haven't seen it I can't comment specifically about VM but I can point out that the whole of the business market is no better.

Everyday I get crap mail from just about the entire world trying to sell me stuff I don't want.I get endless leaflets and booklets from local firms AND the local government/council. I open a magazine and at least 6 leaflets/booklets fall out that are trying to get me to buy stuff I don't want.Even my bank stuff leaflets in my statements.

So I really think just pointing the finger at VM is a bit much.Everyone is doing it and I'm sick of it..

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

So SKY don't do those kind of leaflets, BT don't do it, other companies in other sectors don't do it? Total and utter BS, Virgin aren't the only ones to do it. I may also be the only one to never have had the junk mail from Virgin. Now if it was SKY or BT, then I get at least one of each every week.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I agree. that's why I'm onto Watchdog to ask them why they specifically picked on Virgin Media.

I think it might be because they showed Virgins advert sort of to say that they're passionate about cutting their carbon footprint and all the rest of that heart warming talk. and then they're sending people Kilos of paper a year.

and then the fact of them intentionally ignoring peoples wishes of not wanting junk mail from them by forcing them to have it by adddressing it a certain way to get around the wishes and rules.

and then the fact that people have contacted them to ask to be took off the list. one instance of where she gave them her name when requesting this, and they started sending it to her by name instead of where before it was Householder/Occupier.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

How do you knw they've cut down trees? It may be recycled paper?

Anyway the printer of the leaflets would have to sign up to Virgin Media's Suppliers code of conduct

http://sustainability.virginmedia.co...DetailsID=1340

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Weren't they planting trees some years ago? some marketing gimmick?

could that be the paper they're using?

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Nope. BT actually put an address on and stop when you tell them to. I've never had one from Sky.

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Sky have done a few, but when I was on virgin 100mb I was constantly getting adverts from virgin for 30mb deals (anything up to 3 times per week)

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Right. So I don't get similar junk mail from BT or TalkTalk then? :rolleyes:

Two points here.

1. This is un-addressed, general mail-shots. They cannot easily only post to specific addresses.

2. Any specifically-addressed mail is sent because you have (had) a previous relationship with the company. However, you can easily stop these by asking the company do remove you from their mailing database. This applies to any company.

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Which, of course, was exactly the point I was making. Yet, as usual, I get shouted down for it.

Of course, round here I put all this paper into my bi-monthly re-recyclable waste collection :)

Nonsense.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Perhaps it's the way I say it?

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I can be diplomatic. I just choose not to be when faced with obviously nonsense comments :)

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You may do. but this thread is specifically about the junk mail from Virgin Media.

Junk mail from any other company should have it's own thread.

a lot like when we talk about Christianity and someone comes along and brings Islam into it.
we weren't discussing Islamia.

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I know it hurts, Carl. but it's not nonsense.
that's one of the main reasons why it's addressed to the Householder/ Occupier.

simply because it's guaranteed to get to the victim that doesn't want it. and no rules have been broken in getting it to them.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I have loads of these get around's as i call them, from Sky, BT, Orange you name it they all use "To the Occupier" to get around the request not to spam us.

However what i do is collect it all up and then pick on one of them and send the lot to them in a large envelope with "postage to be paid by ******". It just makes me feel better that they get the crap back.

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OK i will bite You have a brass neck coming out with that statement :)

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Learn to read before you post rubbish.


That's the whole point.

Given your utter ignorance and your attitude to anything anyone else says, like:
Are you really surprised you get shouted down for being a totally hypocritical?

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

:clap:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I can read and understand English perfectly well thank you very much. I know exactly what this thread is about.

I'm sorry but what's "the whole point"? That VM - along with many other companies - send out advertising leaflets, some addressed and some not, in the hope that some of the recipients will be persuaded to buy their services and those that don't can just bin or recycle the leaflets?

So where's the problem again? :confused:

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Yeah. No surprise there then :rolleyes:

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The PROBLEM is that i have requested that i do not get get spam mail via the CORRECT procedure, however to get around that request they and other send mail to my house as " to the occupier" therefor getting around the fact i said NO. Now is that CLEAR enough for you or would you like me to spell it out for you as well so you are not :confused:

i send it back to them with lots of other mail shots and get them to pay for it. And btw just because you dont mind the spam does not mean that we should not mind the spam

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I certainly get a disproportionate amount of VM junk mail compared to anything else. Certain charities are beginning to extract the urine, though.

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If you now do not get any mail-shots from VM that are specifically addressed to you then the system has worked.

VM - and many other companies - have always sent advertising mail-shots in bulk to a load of addresses at once.

The two are entirely different things though you seem to be connecting them somehow. That is the only "problem" here.

Now if you want to set up a petition to try and get the law changed that says these things addressed to "the occupier", etc. have to be delivered then go right ahead. I might even sign it myself. But you cannot blame VM (or any other company) for using any marketing technique available to them to try and get more business.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

How low is that? :shocked:

shame on you Virgin Media :(

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And yet I get very little; though it does all seem to come at once.

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As I said in my previous post; they are two entirely different procedures that some people seem, erroneously, to be connecting.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

How has it worked when it's going to the same house that said they didn't want it?

or is you thinking that because they don't call you Carl, but Richard on the letter. then you're happy with it?

in simple terms they get told what addresses that don't want their junk. simply changing the persons name is intentional. and because they can filter the address, then we can go as far as harrasment.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

You really don't get it do you, you honestly think that its ok for them to do this.

Here we go again even more of if CARL likes it then WE must like it as well. :rolleyes:

However as long as they send it to me i will send it back to them in BULK with destination to pay

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Carl.
why do you think you don't get to the Occupier/Householder from Virgin Media at the same time as To Carl from Virgin Media?

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This thread could do with a spam filter , I'm sure you know what I mean ;):p:

Wonder if I'll make the next multi quote :D

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I do indeed :)

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Seriously? Did you not read my previous post?

Okay.

But they don't do that. One is "direct mail" (that you can opt out of by contacting the company (as you have done); the other is one a completely separate blanket mail-bombing where Royal Mail is told to "deliver one of these to every address in this/these postcode area(s).

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No. I'm not a big fan of junk mail from any company. But they wouldn't do it if they didn't get some return on it. So that's that. I just add it to the recycling and get on with my life.

So I just proved you wrong there then. The right thing to do would be to apologise but I won't be holding my breath.

Or you could just do the more sensible, less time-consuming thing (not to mention cost-saving, on their part not yours) and stick it in with your other recycling.

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Can we just stick to the topic without making personal remarks..I shouldn't have to keep asking as you all know the rules by now.

If you cannot just ignore the person irritating you either by using the ignore tab or mentally vowing to ignore them then I suggest you leave the thread.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

To be honest, I have better, more pressing, things to think about. But I get much more of the former than I do of the latter. I can't remember the last time I got a personally-addressed one. Perhaps because I asked them not to send me any more :D

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I can tell you why if you ever get interested.

goes to show that paper free bills to save the environment was really just to save paper for them and their constant mass mailing :)

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We ? Try not to speak on behalf of all of us ;)

I assure you Im not annoyed, in fact I really dont give a toss.
If Im not interested, i simply chuck it away - I have far more important things in life to worry about than a few bits of paper.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

So do you get annoyed in the same way with Virgin when they take out one or two page spreads in newspapers to advertise, which you receive as well? Or what about when they put their leaflets in with TV magazines on a Saturday or Sunday?

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it saves the cost of posting etc -its never about the environment just the wallet ;)

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I just wonder why they send offers to non cabled areas like mine. It all goes in the bin here, just seems a bit pointless sending me offers for cable TV or broadband.

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Now that I can agree with.

However, if a given postcode area/town/whatever has some cabled and some not it is probably not possible to say "only deliver to these specific addresses". It's basically a carpet-bomb approach.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Don't forget a lot of the leafleting is done by the Post Office and they may not realise or care which are cabled areas.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I guess the benefits system isn't connected to my wages then, since I use one to get around not being able to use the other... :rolleyes:

Not far off companies piping their profits to offshore companies via legal loopholes to avoid taxation. Sure it's technically legal but it's still douchey and immoral.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

whats worse is they continue sending the crap to customers who can't get virgin but actually want it :mad:




very little from Sky and bugger all from BT ,in fact the only time BT acknowledge i even exist is when it's time to pay the bill:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Being a virgin customer and getting so many leaflets form them inviting me to join...is indeed annoying. VM send me more leaflets than anyone else by far. Talk talk would be in second place but they still only send 1/6th of what VM do. Just the occasional leaflet form other providers.

Oh and I get more VM junk mail than any other type of junk mail, not just ISP related.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Well I just got another one. So do I..

1. Worry about it, have a rant on a forum, save it somewhere then send them all back to VM wasting both mine and their time.

or

2. Re-cycle it and get on with my life.


Not really a hard decision :rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

So your going to save it up and send it back, well done :)

I nearly have enough to send my next lot back to a sender and i have decided to send it to British gas this time as they have posted 4 items through my door in a month addressed to the occupier. I am not a customer and NEVER will be so why pester me, they have been requested not to spam me and they ignore that by using the "to the occupier" trick.

1 x A4 envelope with as much of the spam mail from the last month from all the spammers is what British gas will be paying for :LOL:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I assumed you would:

3. Put it in a heart shaped picture frame :romance:

4. Add it to your complete collection of VM memorabilia, sorted by year

Or something similar to that :)

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Nope. Going to do the right and sensible thing and re-cycle it.

I really don't know why anyone in their right mind would do anything else :confused:

1. How long have you been wasting your time doing this for?
2. What makes you think what you're doing will have any effect as it clearly hasn't yet?
3. Haven't you got anything better and more productive to do?

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BTW are you a Doctor, so you now know my state of mind is as well . :shocked:

1. I do it because they have no right to spam me when i have asked them NOT to.

2. If it costs them money in exchange for invading my letter box when they have been told not to it can only be a good thing.

3. i have got lots of things to do however i could get lots more done if that did not include dealing with there spam, now you may think because you don't mind it that we must be the same as you and as usual you would be wrong, We are not all the same as you and some of us don't like being SPAMMED.

And finally YOU would have more time on your hands if you did not have to RECYLE unwanted mail shots that are wasting natural resources in the first place and that have NOT been requested in the first place.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Plus sending spam from one company back to another is a rather amusing thing to do.

I've started filling in forms with completely bonkers names just to see how far they get into their systems. The people who have to input these into their systems must have no souls, they will accept any name. Also, when you get post addressed to "Sir Captain Fantastic Earl of Tea" you know for sure it's junk, rather than needing to waste time to open it. Then it just gets popped back in another return envelope to continue its merry journey.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I bought a TV from Morrisons and they gave me a form to fill in for the TV licence, nowhere on that form does it say you have to fill out your REAL details. I put Donald Duck down as the name and the address as The BBC, Media City Broadway Salford, Manchester :)

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

well mr duck -your in deep doo doo now :)

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

:LOL:

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

That was a general comment. Not my fault you took it personally.

And they aren't doing so, specifically. As previously stated these are general, non-specific "mail-bomb" campaigns. Nothing they can do about it.

No it can't. I want them to spend money on products and services. Please stop wasting my monthly subscription.

The stop doing so and just bin/recycle it like everyone else!

Not at all.

As are you.

It takes me no time at all to put stuff in my recycling. And I am happy to do so. Saving the planet and all that. Which is more than you're doing.

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Hang on here is an idea, save money by not carpet bombing the same address every ruddy month. When they stop sending me crap I will stop sending it back, it is that simple

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You think a company like VM are going to stop doing marketing to attract new customers? Seriously? :eek::confused:

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My oversubscribed ubr is not going to be fixed for another 5 months due to sirius wasting the hardware upgrade cash by receiving VM mailshots. Time to cross sirius off my xmas card list...

Edit:Mod EDIT! Do not mention reps in public please. I refer you to http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35295118-post9.html

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

Advertise "yes"

Carpet bomb the same address 4 times in a month and that address has FULL services is in fact wasting money and valuable resources.

Carl for once please admit that just because you think its a good idea does not make it a good idea to carpet bomb every house every week with mail shots. You really do think your the fountain of all knowledge and we must agree to your way of thinking dont you.

Re: Virgin Media destroying the planet?
 

I absolutely agree that four times in one month is too much, but - as I said before - there's no way they can remove individual addresses from such a technique.

I do agree. That wasn't the point I was trying to make though.

Do you not agree that it is impossible to say "we want to you to deliver these to every house in this postcode area except [address]"; especially as they may not even know who has cable in the area and who doesn't?

No.

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Please keep matters civil please.

The usual reminder of if you can't deal with an individual then please either use the ignore function or try your hardest to ignore them in the thread or just plain leave the thread.

Any off topic posts will be removed.

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I mean it about off topic comments.Two already removed.