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keepitretro 12-11-2012 18:22

Just had sky fibre installed
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/62.png

According to the openreach tech if i go for the pro he said i would get about 76mb down and 20mb up,

and he also said there's only 2 people on fibre on the whole estate!!!!

Youtube buffering days are offically over, pages load instantly,
browsing is lag free....

craigj2k12 12-11-2012 19:11

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Welcome to the other side, the grass is definitely greener!! :D

Have you got the SR101 hub? or the sagem router?

keepitretro 12-11-2012 20:15

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
got the SR101 hub

Rang sky this morning and asked to be upgraded to pro

they said it would take up to 24hrs

getting 38mb down with homeplugs as well so don't know how fast i will get with homeplugs when i get upgraded to pro???

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/on-net...81472-pdt.html These ones..

Mick Fisher 12-11-2012 20:35

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35495897)
Welcome to the other side, the grass is definitely greener!! :D

You betcha!!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keepitretro (Post 35495920)
got the SR101 hub

I think you might be disappointed with the sr1010hub. :(

If you have a decent router put it in the sr101's DMZ until someone cracks extracting the sr101's username/password.

It's what I am doing and it works a treat.

There's a walkthrough on skyuser.

craigj2k12 12-11-2012 20:41

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
200mb homeplugs you should get the full 80mb

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35495926)
If you have a decent router put it in the sr101's DMZ until someone cracks extracting the sr101's username/password.

Someone has managed to sniff the username and password from the SR101 using wireshark, ill post the PDF here in a min ;)

craigj2k12 12-11-2012 20:42

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
1 Attachment(s)
here it is

qasdfdsaq 13-11-2012 02:46

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keepitretro (Post 35495876)
Youtube buffering days are offically over, pages load instantly,
browsing is lag free....

What's "buffering"? Or "lag"? I am not familiar with these phenomena. :p:

keepitretro 13-11-2012 15:24

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
got the pro this morning get 65mb down and 18mb up with homeplugs,
on my rig, cant tell on the other computer in the house cause its an old P4 and won't do much more than 42mb cabled!!!

Mick Fisher 13-11-2012 16:11

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35495931)
Someone has managed to sniff the username and password from the SR101 using wireshark, ill post the PDF here in a min ;)

Thx, I am aware and actually have this information, :)

Unfortunately the proposer of this does not have access to a SR-101 and so cannot test it. It would appear, to date, no one else has tested it and so it remains a theory.

Due to disability and the lay-out of my kit it would be quite a physical effort for me to test it.

As piggy-backing in the SR-101's DMZ is managing to do all I need I would prefer for someone else to test and if successful write a step by step guide.

craigj2k12 13-11-2012 18:27

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
In the thread I got that PDF from, there was one guy who tested it and confirmed it worked

qasdfdsaq 13-11-2012 19:05

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I thought someone on this forum had already got it to work?

craigj2k12 13-11-2012 19:42

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Nope

qasdfdsaq 13-11-2012 20:13

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Damn, they used a DMZ.

Mick Fisher 13-11-2012 22:27

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496259)
In the thread I got that PDF from, there was one guy who tested it and confirmed it worked

I must have missed that bit, got a link?

craigj2k12 14-11-2012 00:36

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35496352)
I must have missed that bit, got a link?

im tired, maybe it didnt exist. I will take a look though, tomorrow. I hate using the sky user forum, its not very user friendly, still havent been able to find the login button

Mick Fisher 14-11-2012 15:57

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496401)
im tired, maybe it didnt exist. I will take a look though, tomorrow.

Don't worry about a link I have a pretty good idea where it will be if it exists.

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496401)
I hate using the sky user forum, its not very user friendly, still havent been able to find the login button

Yeah, it is an acquired taste :)
As for the log-In button: Select Forums from the main screen and then look at the extreme top right.

craigj2k12 14-11-2012 16:07

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35496603)
Yeah, it is an acquired taste :)
As for the log-In button: Select Forums from the main screen and then look at the extreme top right.

ahhhh, i have been opening a thread clicking reply to log in until now :D

Ill look for that link now, if it exists

Mick Fisher 14-11-2012 16:41

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496609)
ahhhh, i have been opening a thread clicking reply to log in until now :D

:D Needs must as the devil drives.......

Mick Fisher 16-11-2012 18:04

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496609)
ahhhh, i have been opening a thread clicking reply to log in until now :D

Ill look for that link now, if it exists

It has just been confirmed that the wireshark sniffing method works :) Check out post #35 onward.
Wonders if it will work with Tomato?

NewsreadeR 17-11-2012 11:50

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35496401)
im tired, maybe it didnt exist. I will take a look though, tomorrow. I hate using the sky user forum, its not very user friendly, still havent been able to find the login button

Hello, the login button is top right of the screen, let me know if you have any issues logging in so we can resolve them.

craigj2k12 17-11-2012 14:53

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Its fine I found it now, bit of an odd place to put it though

qasdfdsaq 17-11-2012 16:09

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I could have sworn the most popular sites in the world put their login buttons at the top right corner...

craigj2k12 17-11-2012 17:59

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
They do, as it fits the rest of the layout, everything is all over the place on sky user

AdamD 17-11-2012 22:57

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Seems a fair amount of large companies are adopting that god awful Lithium forum software.

I can't remember which forum thread I was reading, but it supposedly costs thousands of pounds a month to have.

craigj2k12 17-11-2012 23:28

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=92656

post 5

MalteseFalcon 17-11-2012 23:36

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
What are the speeds like? I did a check on speed to be nosy, and according to SKY whilst I can get 35 MB/s from Virgin, they can only give me a maximum speed of 29 MB/s. Just wondering if people's actual speeds are better than what they were told was their maximum.

craigj2k12 17-11-2012 23:47

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I was told my maximum sync would be 68Mb/s but actually sync at the full 80Mb/s

MalteseFalcon 17-11-2012 23:55

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Sounds good, BT reckoned even on Inifnity I would only get 24 MB/s so looks like Virgin have a long term BB customer in me then. Thanks for replying.

craigj2k12 18-11-2012 00:33

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
When did you check, they have increased speeds since the initial rollout, try the post code checker again

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=29017

bubblegun 18-11-2012 09:32

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35498271)
They do, as it fits the rest of the layout, everything is all over the place on sky user

Are you referring to Sky help and support forum or SkyUser forum ?

They are both sources of good info but unfortunately on SkyUser there are too many sub-forums which should be reduced but the guys there don't listen to me :bigcry:

craigj2k12 18-11-2012 12:07

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Im talking about skyuser. The sub forums are fine, but the theme and layout of the whole site is awful

Tezcatlipoca 18-11-2012 15:26

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I'd happily pay extra for Sky Fibre. I love my Sky BB's cheap price and unlimited usage, but hate being limited to 7-8Mbps because of my crappy phoneline.

I don't think FTTC would be doable, though, due to living in a rented flat with a ridiculously stupid BT master socket location. The master is in the hall, right by the front door. No way we could have a modem & router there. I don't think we could have the modem there and locate the router in the lounge, either, as running Ethernet from the hall is not practical plus even just having one thing (modem) in the hall wouldn't really work. I've read that some people can get their master moved, but I don't know how that works and I doubt we could have that due to a) renting and b) crappy extension wiring.

v0id 18-11-2012 17:18

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
You could always mount the router on the wall, probably the modem too

NewsreadeR 18-11-2012 17:47

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35498271)
They do, as it fits the rest of the layout, everything is all over the place on sky user

Hello

The login box is on the top right of the screen on our website. If it appears anywhere else then it has to be a local issue to yourself.

Possibly the resolution or browser you are using?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35498579)
Im talking about skyuser. The sub forums are fine, but the theme and layout of the whole site is awful

Thats your opinion, but as per my previous post, you are probably using an outdated browser, or you have a low resolution.

If using Internet Explorer, try toggling compatibility mode on or off.

Thanks for the compliments on the theme. ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubblegun (Post 35498507)
Are you referring to Sky help and support forum or SkyUser forum ?

They are both sources of good info but unfortunately on SkyUser there are too many sub-forums which should be reduced but the guys there don't listen to me :bigcry:

If you are the same bubblegun that I speak to by PM - I don't ever recall being asked to reduce them by yourself.

Tezcatlipoca 18-11-2012 19:17

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35498680)
You could always mount the router on the wall, probably the modem too

I doubt that we'd be allowed. It would also mean that everything would have to use WiFi, unless I ran cabling to the lounge, which as mentioned isn't really doable either.

qasdfdsaq 19-11-2012 01:30

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35498779)
I doubt that we'd be allowed. It would also mean that everything would have to use WiFi, unless I ran cabling to the lounge, which as mentioned isn't really doable either.

The modem is supposedly to be always mounted on the wall, though the engineers who did my install explained why and left it up to me to do whatever.

Installation includes a free up-to-20m data extension kit which is basically an ethernet cable that plugs into the master socket and lets you site the modem that far away.

Where is the current ADSL router and what's stopping you putting a FTTC router in exactly the same place?

Tezcatlipoca 19-11-2012 01:51

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
The ADSL router is in the TV corner in the lounge, plugged into a phone extension socket.

Can't have a fibre modem there, as they need to be plugged into the master.

Can't have a fibre router there, and the fibre modem in the hallway, as running cabling from the hall to the lounge is not really doable. Length isn't an issue, but the route of the cabling is. One door to go around, another to go through.

craigj2k12 19-11-2012 11:53

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR (Post 35498694)
Thats your opinion, but as per my previous post, you are probably using an outdated browser, or you have a low resolution.

Latest version of Chrome, FireFox, IE, the sire layout doesnt change

Also, my resolution is 1920x1080, hardly low

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR (Post 35498694)
If using Internet Explorer, try toggling compatibility mode on or off.

Don't use IE, its only there for testing any websites I build

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR (Post 35498694)
Thanks for the compliments on the theme. ;)

Don't mean to be harsh, im just explaining that's one of the reasons why I don't use the forum unless necessary, you're not alone, I don't like using thinkbroadband forum either

qasdfdsaq 19-11-2012 13:27

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35498969)
Can't have a fibre modem there, as they need to be plugged into the master.

No they don't... They wouldn't offer extension kits as standard if that were the case.

Quote:

Can't have a fibre router there, and the fibre modem in the hallway, as running cabling from the hall to the lounge is not really doable. Length isn't an issue, but the route of the cabling is. One door to go around, another to go through.
But you already have the existing phone extension cabling, you could probably re-use that.

Tezcatlipoca 19-11-2012 19:17

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I thought that the extension kits were for the router, not the modem?

NewsreadeR 19-11-2012 21:38

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35499019)
Latest version of Chrome, FireFox, IE, the sire layout doesnt change

Also, my resolution is 1920x1080, hardly low

So you cannot see the Log in or Sign up text top right on the forums?

craigj2k12 19-11-2012 21:54

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35499237)
I thought that the extension kits were for the router, not the modem?

i think hes talking about the socket extensions

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR (Post 35499290)
So you cannot see the Log in or Sign up text top right on the forums?

I can now someone has pointed it out, as I said above

Tezcatlipoca 19-11-2012 22:53

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35499292)
i think hes talking about the socket extensions

Said extension kits...

[Although I was sure that the extension kit was for the router and not the modem?]

Either way, though, running cabling from the hall to the lounge is not really doable, and if it was possible to use the phone socket extensions (which I thought you were specifically *not* supposed to use as everything I've seen says master only) mine would be unlikely to be any good for fibre.

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35499063)
No they don't... They wouldn't offer extension kits as standard if that were the case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35498964)
Installation includes a free up-to-20m data extension kit which is basically an ethernet cable that plugs into the master socket and lets you site the modem that far away.


craigj2k12 19-11-2012 23:39

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Hes either talking about:

using the current extension socket
using 20m rj11
or running ethernet where the current extension socket cable runs

qasdfdsaq 20-11-2012 13:18

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35499237)
I thought that the extension kits were for the router, not the modem?

Nope, it's for the modem.

For the router anyone can use any old Cat4+ ethernet cable.

Quote:

If the active NTE [the Openreach modem] is to be sited more than approximately 1.5 metres from the NTE5 [the master socket], a data extension kit will be required to deliver the Ethernet service [probably in reference to FTTC being GEA] to the modem. The data extension kit provides a maximum additional 30 Metres distance from the NTE5 [the master socket] and can be routed internally or externally to an additional data extension point where the active NTE [the Openreach modem] can then be connected. The data extension kit is a chargeable addition; CP‟s are advised to determine whether this kit is required for their End Users in advance of an order being placed
and
Quote:

FTTC demarcation rules are as follows - The NTE5 is the Network Termination Point of the Openreach access network within the end user’s premises, although Openreach also maintains the active NTE. The active NTE is the FTTC VDSL modem and will be located close to a power source and the desired service location. The active NTE can be located separately from the NTE5 and can be connected via Data Extension Kit (DEK) cabling up to a length of 30m. Any Openreach-installed data extension wiring comes with a one-year warranty and becomes the end user’s property
The data extension kit is basically a plug-in phone extension with RJ11 plugs, pretty much the exact same as you already have (perhaps a bit higher quality though). You might lose 10-20% of your speed (depending on length and quality of the extension) but it'll probably still be a lot faster than non-Fibre-assisted DSL.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by craigj2k12 (Post 35499341)
Hes either talking about:

using the current extension socket
using 20m rj11
or running ethernet where the current extension socket cable runs

Actually, all three
1) He's already doing this and I see no reason why he can't continue
2) (Correction to myself, it's actually 30m) This is supplied optionally during installation
3) This is what I do.

craigj2k12 20-11-2012 13:30

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35499434)
Actually, all three

I'm just a genius, you see :p:

Tezcatlipoca 20-11-2012 19:58

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35499434)
Nope, it's for the modem.

For the router anyone can use any old Cat4+ ethernet cable.

and
The data extension kit is basically a plug-in phone extension with RJ11 plugs, pretty much the exact same as you already have (perhaps a bit higher quality though). You might lose 10-20% of your speed (depending on length and quality of the extension) but it'll probably still be a lot faster than non-Fibre-assisted DSL.

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Actually, all three
1) He's already doing this and I see no reason why he can't continue
2) (Correction to myself, it's actually 30m) This is supplied optionally during installation
3) This is what I do.

Ah. Cheers for that. I was sure it was an extension for router not the modem :)

Still not really doable though as mentioned before. Even if the PTB didn't have a problem with cabling being tacked around the front door and off to the lounge, to get *in* the lounge would require drilling through the lounge doorway somewhere.


Re. extension sockets, though... Everything I've seen (including BT's official info on the BT site) says that you *must* use the master, not an extension.

I have, however, seen posts elsewhere by people saying the OR engineer was able to change an extension socket to be the master somehow. Perhaps that would be a better option.

The master is in the hall, and there are three extension sockets (one in the bedroom and two in the lounge).

It's a while since I opened any of them up, but IIRC they're daisy chained like this: Master > Bedroom extension > Lounge extension 1 > Lounge extension 2.

I can't remember what the cabling is like, though. Given other things I'd wouldn't be surprised if it was cheap and nasty. I may have to open up the master and extension and have a look.

Central 20-11-2012 20:26

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Well I am getting fibre from Sky on 3rd December. Only problem is my socket is downstairs and I need the router upstairs.

Well the engineer do this for me?

qasdfdsaq 20-11-2012 22:21

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt D (Post 35499663)
Still not really doable though as mentioned before. Even if the PTB didn't have a problem with cabling being tacked around the front door and off to the lounge, to get *in* the lounge would require drilling through the lounge doorway somewhere.


Re. extension sockets, though... Everything I've seen (including BT's official info on the BT site) says that you *must* use the master, not an extension.

Like I said, the data extension kit is just a plug-in extension. You already have an extension so you already have basically that in place and ready to use. If it's working for ADSL it'll work for VDSL. FTTC works in the same way as the ADSL you already have, it's just faster. If it had to be plugged into the master, an extension wouldn't be possible on either.

That said the recommendation is probably because you need an *unfiltered* extension or at least a filter on the extension before any phones are connected, which would probably make it look like a master socket. Not an ideal solution but again, it'd work.

The best way to tell what the effects of the extension are is probably to plug your ADSL modem into the master temporarily and measure the difference.

AdamD 22-11-2012 16:53

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Wish they'd hurry up and enable BT fibre in this area (Worthing Swandean exchange)

The date kept being pushed back, it still says September 2012 on their map, but the fibre checker says the earliest I can get it, is December 31st, 2012

qasdfdsaq 23-11-2012 03:22

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Exchange and area are two different things. An exchange may serve a hundred cabinets, and many will go live before others.

That said if the checker is saying 31-12-2012 then it means they're fairly confident yours will go live this quarter. Dates do not appear on the checker until they're pretty confident they can be met, and often not until after the cab is already in place.

Central 23-11-2012 10:50

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
So can anyone help me with my post?

craigj2k12 23-11-2012 15:41

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Central (Post 35500884)
So can anyone help me with my post?

Have you read the rest of this thread? all the answers are there

qasdfdsaq 24-11-2012 05:48

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Central (Post 35500884)
So can anyone help me with my post?

Option 1: Ask for the modem to be put upstairs as part of the install

Option 2: Get an ethernet cable.

Central 30-11-2012 08:24

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Two days to go. Cant wait :D

AdamD 30-11-2012 17:00

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I hate all you fibre users :P

My mum lives about 15 minutes walk from here and she can get fibre, grr
hehe

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Ohhhhh mah gerdddddd!

BT Infinity https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/11/1.gif Superfast fibre optic broadbandGreat news! You are eligible for superfast BT Infinity. 67.6Mb download
20.0Mb upload Now
Woohoo! :P

Mick Fisher 30-11-2012 20:29

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35504583)
I hate all you fibre users :P

My mum lives about 15 minutes walk from here and she can get fibre, grr
hehe

---------- Post added at 16:00 ---------- Previous post was at 15:59 ----------

Ohhhhh mah gerdddddd!

BT Infinity https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/11/1.gif Superfast fibre optic broadbandGreat news! You are eligible for superfast BT Infinity. 67.6Mb download
20.0Mb upload Now
Woohoo! :P

:woot:

AdamD 30-11-2012 23:57

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Decided to go with Sky, installation is on the 14th.

Harryn9000 01-12-2012 02:13

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
who would u say offers best deal for just broadband looking to switch from virgin to save money. cannot do it till after christmas at the earliest bt haven't done my cab by me yet but exchange has been done for months

Mick Fisher 01-12-2012 17:42

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35504794)
Decided to go with Sky, installation is on the 14th.

Lets hope it all goes according to plan.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Harryn9000 (Post 35504827)
who would u say offers best deal for just broadband looking to switch from virgin to save money. cannot do it till after christmas at the earliest bt haven't done my cab by me yet but exchange has been done for months

Only you can decide, based on your personal requirements, what is the best deal.

However if saving a little money is your only concern then BT might be your best bet but bear in mind that you have to take a telephone service with your fibre BB service.

BT are a little cheaper than sky with their free install and half price for 6 month offers but offer more expensive telecom service, are renowned for adding stuff on to your bill that you never wanted, insist on 18month rolling contracts and actively protocol manage their network, support is offshored and on a par with VM.

Sky offer a free install for existing customers and cheaper telephone options. The BB is completely unmetered and unmanaged. The service is very reliable but from my limited experience the support has been UK based and very good. Contract is 12 months. I pay Sky £30pm for Fibre Pro (80/20) and was paying VM £30pm for 30/3 service. Offhand I can't remeber what sky talk costs except for me, with my usage, it offered a saving over my, at the time, BT line and the costly calling plan they insisted on foisting on me.

AdamD 01-12-2012 18:07

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35505052)
Lets hope it all goes according to plan

Indeed, although I still have Virgin till the 25th, so fingers crossed it works first time, heh

nstokes 01-12-2012 21:54

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Still not in my area yet sadly :(

Harryn9000 01-12-2012 22:26

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35505052)
Lets hope it all goes according to plan.

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Only you can decide, based on your personal requirements, what is the best deal.

However if saving a little money is your only concern then BT might be your best bet but bear in mind that you have to take a telephone service with your fibre BB service.

BT are a little cheaper than sky with their free install and half price for 6 month offers but offer more expensive telecom service, are renowned for adding stuff on to your bill that you never wanted, insist on 18month rolling contracts and actively protocol manage their network, support is offshored and on a par with VM.

Sky offer a free install for existing customers and cheaper telephone options. The BB is completely unmetered and unmanaged. The service is very reliable but from my limited experience the support has been UK based and very good. Contract is 12 months. I pay Sky £30pm for Fibre Pro (80/20) and was paying VM £30pm for 30/3 service. Offhand I can't remeber what sky talk costs except for me, with my usage, it offered a saving over my, at the time, BT line and the costly calling plan they insisted on foisting on me.

i looked at sky website at i could get just broadband for £10 pcm but then add line rental takes it to 25 quid mark, i'm not interested in getting a call package as getting a quality one of virgin but i am only one in my house using 100mb which i don't need but sky is quite appealing but had it in the past and got into trouble with it, plusnet is quite appealing aswell

AdamD 02-12-2012 11:43

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
I hate the fact they force you to have their phone line, but I guess, it's a smallish price to pay for truly unlimited broadband.

Sky seems to be the only real unlimited provider these days, but you do pay a bit more for that luxury.

Harryn9000 02-12-2012 23:01

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
thinking about it not rely bothered if it unlimited really aslong as i can do the same stuff i can do now

Central 03-12-2012 21:14

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
:D I love it

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/69.png

Chrysalis 05-12-2012 11:53

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keepitretro (Post 35495876)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/62.png


and he also said there's only 2 people on fibre on the whole estate!!!!

vs 2000 on cable :p

iateallthepies 05-12-2012 14:37

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Off to Skys adsl until my cab is sorted. Those pings of yours are awesome.

Qtx 05-12-2012 16:39

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Superb pings!

Looking forward to being able to play games again once sky is installed. Wasted 6 months of a subscription due to VM jitter making it unplayable.

Chrysalis 05-12-2012 16:51

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35498964)
The modem is supposedly to be always mounted on the wall, though the engineers who did my install explained why and left it up to me to do whatever.

Installation includes a free up-to-20m data extension kit which is basically an ethernet cable that plugs into the master socket and lets you site the modem that far away.

Where is the current ADSL router and what's stopping you putting a FTTC router in exactly the same place?

I was offered on the wall, I said no incase it made harder to change the modem for a hacked one but I sort of wish I said yes now.

AdamD 05-12-2012 17:21

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Hmm, had the new sky router delivered today, Sky always seems to get "most" things right, at least.

With Virgin it was a nightmare, so it's a nice relief to not only get updated at every stage, but to get texts saying when things are being delivered etc.

iateallthepies 05-12-2012 18:48

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35507236)
Hmm, had the new sky router delivered today, Sky always seems to get "most" things right, at least.

With Virgin it was a nightmare, so it's a nice relief to not only get updated at every stage, but to get texts saying when things are being delivered etc.

Totally agree, sms texts off Sky telling me delivery of router to when Bt turning up (which they don`t have to as my line is active now and the ADSL is too :D )

Mick Fisher 05-12-2012 20:00

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35507236)
Hmm, had the new sky router delivered today, Sky always seems to get "most" things right, at least.

With Virgin it was a nightmare, so it's a nice relief to not only get updated at every stage, but to get texts saying when things are being delivered etc.

Yes I have to agree. Although I doubted my sky router would show up in time for the install.

I was surprised to find Parcelforce delivering it at 07.00am on a Saturday morning in time for a Monday install. I didn't think that Parcel Force worked on Saturdays.

AdamD 05-12-2012 20:44

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Yea I had a text this morning, from Royalmail, at 7:02 saying your item (tracking number here) from Unipart on behalf of sky is due for delivery today and sure enough, it arrived today.
Then had a text a few hours later saying it had been delivered (..well duh :P)
hehe

qasdfdsaq 06-12-2012 01:11

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35507337)
I was surprised to find Parcelforce delivering it at 07.00am on a Saturday morning in time for a Monday install. I didn't think that Parcel Force worked on Saturdays.

They do indeed. One of the biggest electronics retailers in the country use them for their Saturday deliveries, often with an 8pm order cutoff. So you could order at 8pm Friday and have Parcel Farce at your door at 8am the next morning.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35507379)
Then had a text a few hours later saying it had been delivered (..well duh :P)
hehe

It's useful sometimes, I've once sat in all day from 11 til 5 without realising the idiots had already delivered my package to the neighbours at 10am. And they didn't bother updating the tracking info until after 7... That was with ******-link mind you

Chrysalis 06-12-2012 08:36

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
yeah royal mail in my opinion are the best courier service in uk. Ironically the one people consider bloated and not ran properly.

AdamD 06-12-2012 21:42

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Interesting, I noticed the new sky hub was an adsl router, so out of curiousity, I swapped it for the old one I've been using for Sky Unlimited and it worked.

Connection isn't AS good though, I get 18.5mb, whereas on the old one, I was getting 19.5ish.

qasdfdsaq 09-12-2012 06:38

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
The BT Home Hub 3 is the same - built-in ADSL router/modem combo with an ethernet WAN port for the fibre modem.

AdamD 09-12-2012 15:03

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Yea, I guess I was just surprised it worked, I always assumed they each had a unique password/username?
Either that, or they're sent out pre programmed with the customers username/password for adsl/fibre.

Qtx 09-12-2012 20:26

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Interested to know if they are pre-programmed. My Sky router has turned up and wondering if I should plug it in and do some packet sniffing.

Hoping the official router is good enough for my needs but have another router with ddwrt as a backup.

Mick Fisher 10-12-2012 16:13

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35509285)
Interested to know if they are pre-programmed. My Sky router has turned up and wondering if I should plug it in and do some packet sniffing.

If you have the time and the inclination then finding out your sky username/password is a handy thing to know whether or not you intend to make use of it at this point in time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35509285)
Hoping the official router is good enough for my needs but have another router with ddwrt as a backup.

The only way to find out is to try it.

Bare in mind it only sports 10/100 ports (one of which you lose on fibre) and is only an N150 device. On the plus side, out of the box, the device is generally stable and wireless was rock solid for me.

After trying it for a week my conclusion is that as a connection sharing device it is adequate but for networking it is leaves a lot to be desired. The addition of a gigabit switch or two would help out no end in this department as would substituting a more capable device.

Qtx 10-12-2012 21:33

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Yeah, although if its not pre-programmed i'll be sniffing for hot air :D

Gigabit switch makes sense, might grab one anyway. The heaviest network use I have is streaming video and 100 has been good enough so far, even if im downloading on the pc too. Just the wireless laptop I figured might not be up to it.

Mick Fisher 11-12-2012 16:18

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35509671)
Yeah, although if its not pre-programmed i'll be sniffing for hot air :D

Rest assured it is in there somewhere.

All sky routers need to send their unique username/password to enable the connection. I believe the username/password then has to be sent at regular intervals to keep the connection alive.

qasdfdsaq 12-12-2012 09:08

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Gotta say even with 3 heavy users in the house never had a speed or capacity problem on my FTTC service. 80Mb is plenty for anything time critical and unlike VM there's enough upstream (line and core) capacity to actually make use of that performance.

Qtx 12-12-2012 20:57

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Un-boxed the hub and plugged it in today. Already had wireshark installed on one of my linux partitions so got the username password within seconds :)

Couple more days and the openreach engineer will be here, can't wait.

Chrysalis 12-12-2012 21:43

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
good you confirmed that method works Qtx as was curious :)

iateallthepies 13-12-2012 12:14

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Just a heads up. Any sky modem will work on an active line so if your unable to pull a username/password from the current modem then just buy an old one off an Auction site and retrieve it from that :)

Mick Fisher 13-12-2012 14:43

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iateallthepies (Post 35511035)
Just a heads up. Any sky modem will work on an active line so if your unable to pull a username/password from the current modem then just buy an old one off an Auction site and retrieve it from that :)

Just don't pay too much in case sky has blocked the username/pass for some reason. :erm:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35510769)
Un-boxed the hub and plugged it in today. Already had wireshark installed on one of my linux partitions so got the username password within seconds :)

Couple more days and the openreach engineer will be here, can't wait.

:tu:

That's you sorted then :)

Qtx 14-12-2012 12:44

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Cheers for the info all.

Finally plugged in 10 minutes ago. Tests show I can get up to 93Mbps speeds so an upgrade to 80 is easily possible.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/35.png

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Finally a jitter free connection :tu:

Can see what you mean about pages just loading so much faster now Chrysalis. Pretty sure the difference is down to how both isp's handle the multiple connections a browser opens to the same webserver for a single page.

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No matter how many times I run the pingtest, I always get the same results, 13ms and 0ms jitter. Lets see what changes peak times bring with it.

Will the DSM/DLM over the next few days change the latency or will it just affect the speed?

pabscars 14-12-2012 12:52

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Nice ping too Qtx, what router did you get ,,,,,,

Scrap that I see you have the new hub, let us know what you think of it,,, I might purchase one if I can't get my linky unit to work on MER.

Central 14-12-2012 13:51

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
How do you find out what the line can handle?

Qtx 14-12-2012 14:13

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Yeah its the new SR101 hub. Will probably only use the wireless side for the phone and laptop, everything else will be connected by RJ45. Annoying that this hub only has 3 ports spare after you plug the fibre modem in and I have 4 devices hard wired usually. So will have to get a gigabit switch if I stay using it otherwise will use the other router.

The routers interface is clear and easy to use but nothing there past the basics a router normally gives.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Central (Post 35511679)
How do you find out what the line can handle?

The openreach engineer has a device which he uses to run lots of tests once he has installed the fibre, so he can tell from that the theoretical maximum that can be expected. No way to be 100% sure until he does that and tells you.

Chrysalis 14-12-2012 14:50

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35511646)
Cheers for the info all.

Finally plugged in 10 minutes ago. Tests show I can get up to 93Mbps speeds so an upgrade to 80 is easily possible.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/35.png

http://www.pingtest.net/result/73885142.png

Finally a jitter free connection :tu:

Can see what you mean about pages just loading so much faster now Chrysalis. Pretty sure the difference is down to how both isp's handle the multiple connections a browser opens to the same webserver for a single page.

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No matter how many times I run the pingtest, I always get the same results, 13ms and 0ms jitter. Lets see what changes peak times bring with it.

Will the DSM/DLM over the next few days change the latency or will it just affect the speed?

keep the modem turned on dont disconnect it for any reason.

Then I expect DLM wont change anything, because you have a huge buffer with 90 meg attainable on a 40meg sync. DLM kicks in when the line is struggling not when it has one hand behind its back.

Router on the other hand is fine tho, I have disconnected ppp many times and it has no affect on DLM, DLM only cares about the sync stability not ppp. So you can swap router, play with router settings etc.

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here is a screenshot of the modem unlocked showing attainable speed, last night I had 110meg and now its 90meg today. Possibly due to crosstalk from a new install on same copper bundle.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/36.png

Qtx 14-12-2012 15:31

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Yeah I was going to move the modem to another socket but figured best to leave it a few days. Sky want £10 more a month to upgrade it to the 80 but decided against it. 10Mbps was enough for my needs before so 40 plenty.

Interesting to see the unlocked modem and those stats. Got a feeling I won't bother fiddling that much myself if it all just works.

The only thing I did on the router was to turn off WPS and connect my wireless devices to put their MACS's onto the allowed list and block anything else. Might turn off SSID broadcast and see if my devices have any issues with disconnections.

BeerCanSandwich 14-12-2012 20:49

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
You lucky lot with your spare SNRM. Mine is right on the edge and I swing from 70Mb sync interleved to full sync not interleved every month or two, atm it's the former. :( Still, it's not slow so can't really complain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35511704)
Then I expect DLM wont change anything, because you have a huge buffer with 90 meg attainable on a 40meg sync. DLM kicks in when the line is struggling not when it has one hand behind its back.

Are you aware of the graphing scripts?

You can log stats 24/7..
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and create a snapshot as and when, HLOG and QLN only update on connection but the rest are dynamic, this would show where your attainable went if you have a before and after. If it's not done a full reboot you might still be able to graab a before for the HLOG and QLN...
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Also the FEC and CRC errors are reversed in the GUI of the HG612, it's a known bug, on your line interleving is off so it's impossible to have a FEC count because there is no error correction happening ;)

Qtx 14-12-2012 23:06

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Bet its annoying seeing someone who can get 80 decide to stick at 40 lol. Are you a long way from the cabinet?

Just done my first evening ping test, peak time on a friday....

http://www.pingtest.net/result/73912551.png

Loving the consistency!

Noticed one line of packet loss on tbb graph, not sure if it was a problem, an effect of the DLM or I did something while tidying up the cables around that time.

Once I have a full 24 hours of tbb graph i'll post both my VM and Sky one together ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keepitretro (Post 35495876)
Youtube buffering days are offically over, pages load instantly,
browsing is lag free....

Seen the difference first hand now, exactly as you said :)

Chrysalis 14-12-2012 23:27

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerCanSandwich (Post 35511920)
You lucky lot with your spare SNRM. Mine is right on the edge and I swing from 70Mb sync interleved to full sync not interleved every month or two, atm it's the former. :( Still, it's not slow so can't really complain.


Are you aware of the graphing scripts?

You can log stats 24/7..
(click to enlarge)
http://t.imgbox.com/adtVOP3i.jpg

and create a snapshot as and when, HLOG and QLN only update on connection but the rest are dynamic, this would show where your attainable went if you have a before and after. If it's not done a full reboot you might still be able to graab a before for the HLOG and QLN...
(click to enlarge)
http://t.imgbox.com/acezH3rR.jpg

Also the FEC and CRC errors are reversed in the GUI of the HG612, it's a known bug, on your line interleving is off so it's impossible to have a FEC count because there is no error correction happening ;)

yes I know the FEC and cRC are backwards in the GUI.

I didnt do any graphs before the attainable dissapeared and I am not about to start resyncing to see if it comes back, I will only do that sort of thing if my actual sync drops below 79999.

It seems the reason BT estimate so low is crosstalk is brutal on VDSL2, potentially with 20 or so lines active in a bundle it can lose 40% or so of speed. However its estimated within 18 months or so vectoring will be rolled out which should cancel out much of the affects of crosstalk.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/17.jpg

Qtx 14-12-2012 23:56

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35511992)
However its estimated within 18 months or so vectoring will be rolled out which should cancel out much of the affects of crosstalk.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/17.jpg

Amazing what they manage to squeeze out of copper, even at short distances.

Might as well post a section like you. Nothing has been connected to my VM modem all day....you can guess which graph is which

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/32.png https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/33.png

Chrysalis 15-12-2012 00:08

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
yeah I am amazed also, 40 year old copper doing these sort of speeds.

qasdfdsaq 15-12-2012 15:50

Re: Just had sky fibre installed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35511646)
[/COLOR]No matter how many times I run the pingtest, I always get the same results, 13ms and 0ms jitter. Lets see what changes peak times bring with it.

In my experience, exactly the same.

Quote:

Will the DSM/DLM over the next few days change the latency or will it just affect the speed?
It usually changes latency before speed.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35511682)
The openreach engineer has a device which he uses to run lots of tests once he has installed the fibre, so he can tell from that the theoretical maximum that can be expected. No way to be 100% sure until he does that and tells you.

That's colloquially called a JDSU. Your modem will also give you the exact same information.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35511704)
Then I expect DLM wont change anything, because you have a huge buffer with 90 meg attainable on a 40meg sync. DLM kicks in when the line is struggling not when it has one hand behind its back.

You'd be surprised. I've seen people with 140 meg attainable on a 80 meg sync still get interleaving switched on.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35511727)
Yeah I was going to move the modem to another socket but figured best to leave it a few days.

Quite the opposite, best not leave it a few days. DLM ignores any restarts during the first few days because it knows people are likely to be tweaking/moving/restarting the equipment more than usual.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BeerCanSandwich (Post 35511920)
You lucky lot with your spare SNRM. Mine is right on the edge and I swing from 70Mb sync interleved to full sync not interleved every month or two, atm it's the former. :( Still, it's not slow so can't really complain.

Mine's gotten fairly similar after 10 months of increasing crosstalk, though I managed to get it to resync during a power cut when pretty much every electronic device in a mile (except the cabinet and my modem, both of which have backup power) was off so zero interference or crosstalk. So far it's stayed up for 2 weeks at full sync despite the SNRM dropping to 3dB. Still, stable at 80Mb sync aint bad for someone who was predicted 53Mb. But the 110Mb attainable without crosstalk gives me hope for 200Mb when 30a + vectoring come out.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35511986)
Bet its annoying seeing someone who can get 80 decide to stick at 40 lol. Are you a long way from the cabinet?

Define "long". Attainable rates of ~80-100 are typical at around 300-400m line length assuming little interference, though in my case I'm 90m from the cab and have a line that behaves like a 400m because VM is so crap that takeup on FTTC is huge.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35512009)
yeah I am amazed also, 40 year old copper doing these sort of speeds.

VM's cable is 20 year old copper and can do 5-10Gbps...


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