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According to the openreach tech if i go for the pro he said i would get about 76mb down and 20mb up, and he also said there's only 2 people on fibre on the whole estate!!!! Youtube buffering days are offically over, pages load instantly, browsing is lag free.... |
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Welcome to the other side, the grass is definitely greener!! :D
Have you got the SR101 hub? or the sagem router? |
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got the SR101 hub
Rang sky this morning and asked to be upgraded to pro they said it would take up to 24hrs getting 38mb down with homeplugs as well so don't know how fast i will get with homeplugs when i get upgraded to pro??? http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/on-net...81472-pdt.html These ones.. |
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If you have a decent router put it in the sr101's DMZ until someone cracks extracting the sr101's username/password. It's what I am doing and it works a treat. There's a walkthrough on skyuser. |
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200mb homeplugs you should get the full 80mb
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got the pro this morning get 65mb down and 18mb up with homeplugs,
on my rig, cant tell on the other computer in the house cause its an old P4 and won't do much more than 42mb cabled!!! |
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Unfortunately the proposer of this does not have access to a SR-101 and so cannot test it. It would appear, to date, no one else has tested it and so it remains a theory. Due to disability and the lay-out of my kit it would be quite a physical effort for me to test it. As piggy-backing in the SR-101's DMZ is managing to do all I need I would prefer for someone else to test and if successful write a step by step guide. |
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In the thread I got that PDF from, there was one guy who tested it and confirmed it worked
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I thought someone on this forum had already got it to work?
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Damn, they used a DMZ.
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As for the log-In button: Select Forums from the main screen and then look at the extreme top right. |
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Ill look for that link now, if it exists |
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Wonders if it will work with Tomato? |
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Its fine I found it now, bit of an odd place to put it though
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I could have sworn the most popular sites in the world put their login buttons at the top right corner...
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They do, as it fits the rest of the layout, everything is all over the place on sky user
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Seems a fair amount of large companies are adopting that god awful Lithium forum software.
I can't remember which forum thread I was reading, but it supposedly costs thousands of pounds a month to have. |
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What are the speeds like? I did a check on speed to be nosy, and according to SKY whilst I can get 35 MB/s from Virgin, they can only give me a maximum speed of 29 MB/s. Just wondering if people's actual speeds are better than what they were told was their maximum.
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I was told my maximum sync would be 68Mb/s but actually sync at the full 80Mb/s
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Sounds good, BT reckoned even on Inifnity I would only get 24 MB/s so looks like Virgin have a long term BB customer in me then. Thanks for replying.
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When did you check, they have increased speeds since the initial rollout, try the post code checker again
http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=29017 |
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They are both sources of good info but unfortunately on SkyUser there are too many sub-forums which should be reduced but the guys there don't listen to me :bigcry: |
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Im talking about skyuser. The sub forums are fine, but the theme and layout of the whole site is awful
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I'd happily pay extra for Sky Fibre. I love my Sky BB's cheap price and unlimited usage, but hate being limited to 7-8Mbps because of my crappy phoneline.
I don't think FTTC would be doable, though, due to living in a rented flat with a ridiculously stupid BT master socket location. The master is in the hall, right by the front door. No way we could have a modem & router there. I don't think we could have the modem there and locate the router in the lounge, either, as running Ethernet from the hall is not practical plus even just having one thing (modem) in the hall wouldn't really work. I've read that some people can get their master moved, but I don't know how that works and I doubt we could have that due to a) renting and b) crappy extension wiring. |
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You could always mount the router on the wall, probably the modem too
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The login box is on the top right of the screen on our website. If it appears anywhere else then it has to be a local issue to yourself. Possibly the resolution or browser you are using? ---------- Post added at 16:46 ---------- Previous post was at 16:43 ---------- Quote:
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Installation includes a free up-to-20m data extension kit which is basically an ethernet cable that plugs into the master socket and lets you site the modem that far away. Where is the current ADSL router and what's stopping you putting a FTTC router in exactly the same place? |
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The ADSL router is in the TV corner in the lounge, plugged into a phone extension socket.
Can't have a fibre modem there, as they need to be plugged into the master. Can't have a fibre router there, and the fibre modem in the hallway, as running cabling from the hall to the lounge is not really doable. Length isn't an issue, but the route of the cabling is. One door to go around, another to go through. |
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I thought that the extension kits were for the router, not the modem?
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[Although I was sure that the extension kit was for the router and not the modem?] Either way, though, running cabling from the hall to the lounge is not really doable, and if it was possible to use the phone socket extensions (which I thought you were specifically *not* supposed to use as everything I've seen says master only) mine would be unlikely to be any good for fibre. Quote:
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Hes either talking about:
using the current extension socket using 20m rj11 or running ethernet where the current extension socket cable runs |
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For the router anyone can use any old Cat4+ ethernet cable. Quote:
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1) He's already doing this and I see no reason why he can't continue 2) (Correction to myself, it's actually 30m) This is supplied optionally during installation 3) This is what I do. |
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Still not really doable though as mentioned before. Even if the PTB didn't have a problem with cabling being tacked around the front door and off to the lounge, to get *in* the lounge would require drilling through the lounge doorway somewhere. Re. extension sockets, though... Everything I've seen (including BT's official info on the BT site) says that you *must* use the master, not an extension. I have, however, seen posts elsewhere by people saying the OR engineer was able to change an extension socket to be the master somehow. Perhaps that would be a better option. The master is in the hall, and there are three extension sockets (one in the bedroom and two in the lounge). It's a while since I opened any of them up, but IIRC they're daisy chained like this: Master > Bedroom extension > Lounge extension 1 > Lounge extension 2. I can't remember what the cabling is like, though. Given other things I'd wouldn't be surprised if it was cheap and nasty. I may have to open up the master and extension and have a look. |
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Well I am getting fibre from Sky on 3rd December. Only problem is my socket is downstairs and I need the router upstairs.
Well the engineer do this for me? |
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That said the recommendation is probably because you need an *unfiltered* extension or at least a filter on the extension before any phones are connected, which would probably make it look like a master socket. Not an ideal solution but again, it'd work. The best way to tell what the effects of the extension are is probably to plug your ADSL modem into the master temporarily and measure the difference. |
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Wish they'd hurry up and enable BT fibre in this area (Worthing Swandean exchange)
The date kept being pushed back, it still says September 2012 on their map, but the fibre checker says the earliest I can get it, is December 31st, 2012 |
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Exchange and area are two different things. An exchange may serve a hundred cabinets, and many will go live before others.
That said if the checker is saying 31-12-2012 then it means they're fairly confident yours will go live this quarter. Dates do not appear on the checker until they're pretty confident they can be met, and often not until after the cab is already in place. |
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So can anyone help me with my post?
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Option 2: Get an ethernet cable. |
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Two days to go. Cant wait :D
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I hate all you fibre users :P
My mum lives about 15 minutes walk from here and she can get fibre, grr hehe ---------- Post added at 16:00 ---------- Previous post was at 15:59 ---------- Ohhhhh mah gerdddddd! BT Infinity https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/11/1.gif Superfast fibre optic broadbandGreat news! You are eligible for superfast BT Infinity. 67.6Mb download 20.0Mb upload Now Woohoo! :P |
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Decided to go with Sky, installation is on the 14th.
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who would u say offers best deal for just broadband looking to switch from virgin to save money. cannot do it till after christmas at the earliest bt haven't done my cab by me yet but exchange has been done for months
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However if saving a little money is your only concern then BT might be your best bet but bear in mind that you have to take a telephone service with your fibre BB service. BT are a little cheaper than sky with their free install and half price for 6 month offers but offer more expensive telecom service, are renowned for adding stuff on to your bill that you never wanted, insist on 18month rolling contracts and actively protocol manage their network, support is offshored and on a par with VM. Sky offer a free install for existing customers and cheaper telephone options. The BB is completely unmetered and unmanaged. The service is very reliable but from my limited experience the support has been UK based and very good. Contract is 12 months. I pay Sky £30pm for Fibre Pro (80/20) and was paying VM £30pm for 30/3 service. Offhand I can't remeber what sky talk costs except for me, with my usage, it offered a saving over my, at the time, BT line and the costly calling plan they insisted on foisting on me. |
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Still not in my area yet sadly :(
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I hate the fact they force you to have their phone line, but I guess, it's a smallish price to pay for truly unlimited broadband.
Sky seems to be the only real unlimited provider these days, but you do pay a bit more for that luxury. |
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thinking about it not rely bothered if it unlimited really aslong as i can do the same stuff i can do now
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Off to Skys adsl until my cab is sorted. Those pings of yours are awesome.
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Superb pings!
Looking forward to being able to play games again once sky is installed. Wasted 6 months of a subscription due to VM jitter making it unplayable. |
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Hmm, had the new sky router delivered today, Sky always seems to get "most" things right, at least.
With Virgin it was a nightmare, so it's a nice relief to not only get updated at every stage, but to get texts saying when things are being delivered etc. |
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I was surprised to find Parcelforce delivering it at 07.00am on a Saturday morning in time for a Monday install. I didn't think that Parcel Force worked on Saturdays. |
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Yea I had a text this morning, from Royalmail, at 7:02 saying your item (tracking number here) from Unipart on behalf of sky is due for delivery today and sure enough, it arrived today.
Then had a text a few hours later saying it had been delivered (..well duh :P) hehe |
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yeah royal mail in my opinion are the best courier service in uk. Ironically the one people consider bloated and not ran properly.
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Interesting, I noticed the new sky hub was an adsl router, so out of curiousity, I swapped it for the old one I've been using for Sky Unlimited and it worked.
Connection isn't AS good though, I get 18.5mb, whereas on the old one, I was getting 19.5ish. |
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The BT Home Hub 3 is the same - built-in ADSL router/modem combo with an ethernet WAN port for the fibre modem.
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Yea, I guess I was just surprised it worked, I always assumed they each had a unique password/username?
Either that, or they're sent out pre programmed with the customers username/password for adsl/fibre. |
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Interested to know if they are pre-programmed. My Sky router has turned up and wondering if I should plug it in and do some packet sniffing.
Hoping the official router is good enough for my needs but have another router with ddwrt as a backup. |
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Bare in mind it only sports 10/100 ports (one of which you lose on fibre) and is only an N150 device. On the plus side, out of the box, the device is generally stable and wireless was rock solid for me. After trying it for a week my conclusion is that as a connection sharing device it is adequate but for networking it is leaves a lot to be desired. The addition of a gigabit switch or two would help out no end in this department as would substituting a more capable device. |
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Yeah, although if its not pre-programmed i'll be sniffing for hot air :D
Gigabit switch makes sense, might grab one anyway. The heaviest network use I have is streaming video and 100 has been good enough so far, even if im downloading on the pc too. Just the wireless laptop I figured might not be up to it. |
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All sky routers need to send their unique username/password to enable the connection. I believe the username/password then has to be sent at regular intervals to keep the connection alive. |
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Gotta say even with 3 heavy users in the house never had a speed or capacity problem on my FTTC service. 80Mb is plenty for anything time critical and unlike VM there's enough upstream (line and core) capacity to actually make use of that performance.
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Un-boxed the hub and plugged it in today. Already had wireshark installed on one of my linux partitions so got the username password within seconds :)
Couple more days and the openreach engineer will be here, can't wait. |
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good you confirmed that method works Qtx as was curious :)
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Just a heads up. Any sky modem will work on an active line so if your unable to pull a username/password from the current modem then just buy an old one off an Auction site and retrieve it from that :)
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Cheers for the info all.
Finally plugged in 10 minutes ago. Tests show I can get up to 93Mbps speeds so an upgrade to 80 is easily possible. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/35.png [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Finally a jitter free connection :tu: Can see what you mean about pages just loading so much faster now Chrysalis. Pretty sure the difference is down to how both isp's handle the multiple connections a browser opens to the same webserver for a single page. ---------- Post added at 11:44 ---------- Previous post was at 11:24 ---------- No matter how many times I run the pingtest, I always get the same results, 13ms and 0ms jitter. Lets see what changes peak times bring with it. Will the DSM/DLM over the next few days change the latency or will it just affect the speed? |
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Nice ping too Qtx, what router did you get ,,,,,,
Scrap that I see you have the new hub, let us know what you think of it,,, I might purchase one if I can't get my linky unit to work on MER. |
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How do you find out what the line can handle?
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Yeah its the new SR101 hub. Will probably only use the wireless side for the phone and laptop, everything else will be connected by RJ45. Annoying that this hub only has 3 ports spare after you plug the fibre modem in and I have 4 devices hard wired usually. So will have to get a gigabit switch if I stay using it otherwise will use the other router.
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Then I expect DLM wont change anything, because you have a huge buffer with 90 meg attainable on a 40meg sync. DLM kicks in when the line is struggling not when it has one hand behind its back. Router on the other hand is fine tho, I have disconnected ppp many times and it has no affect on DLM, DLM only cares about the sync stability not ppp. So you can swap router, play with router settings etc. ---------- Post added at 13:50 ---------- Previous post was at 13:41 ---------- here is a screenshot of the modem unlocked showing attainable speed, last night I had 110meg and now its 90meg today. Possibly due to crosstalk from a new install on same copper bundle. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/36.png |
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Yeah I was going to move the modem to another socket but figured best to leave it a few days. Sky want £10 more a month to upgrade it to the 80 but decided against it. 10Mbps was enough for my needs before so 40 plenty.
Interesting to see the unlocked modem and those stats. Got a feeling I won't bother fiddling that much myself if it all just works. The only thing I did on the router was to turn off WPS and connect my wireless devices to put their MACS's onto the allowed list and block anything else. Might turn off SSID broadcast and see if my devices have any issues with disconnections. |
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You lucky lot with your spare SNRM. Mine is right on the edge and I swing from 70Mb sync interleved to full sync not interleved every month or two, atm it's the former. :( Still, it's not slow so can't really complain.
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You can log stats 24/7.. (click to enlarge) [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] and create a snapshot as and when, HLOG and QLN only update on connection but the rest are dynamic, this would show where your attainable went if you have a before and after. If it's not done a full reboot you might still be able to graab a before for the HLOG and QLN... (click to enlarge) [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Also the FEC and CRC errors are reversed in the GUI of the HG612, it's a known bug, on your line interleving is off so it's impossible to have a FEC count because there is no error correction happening ;) |
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Bet its annoying seeing someone who can get 80 decide to stick at 40 lol. Are you a long way from the cabinet?
Just done my first evening ping test, peak time on a friday.... http://www.pingtest.net/result/73912551.png Loving the consistency! Noticed one line of packet loss on tbb graph, not sure if it was a problem, an effect of the DLM or I did something while tidying up the cables around that time. Once I have a full 24 hours of tbb graph i'll post both my VM and Sky one together ;) ---------- Post added at 22:06 ---------- Previous post was at 21:59 ---------- Quote:
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I didnt do any graphs before the attainable dissapeared and I am not about to start resyncing to see if it comes back, I will only do that sort of thing if my actual sync drops below 79999. It seems the reason BT estimate so low is crosstalk is brutal on VDSL2, potentially with 20 or so lines active in a bundle it can lose 40% or so of speed. However its estimated within 18 months or so vectoring will be rolled out which should cancel out much of the affects of crosstalk. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/17.jpg |
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Might as well post a section like you. Nothing has been connected to my VM modem all day....you can guess which graph is which https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/32.png https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/33.png |
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yeah I am amazed also, 40 year old copper doing these sort of speeds.
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