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Maggy 02-11-2012 12:34

Foreign Office's antique anaconda cost £10,000 to re-stuff
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20174582

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The Foreign Office has spent £10,000 on the "essential maintenance" of a stuffed anaconda called Albert.
The 20ft snake has been hanging in the library of what is now William Hague's department since the 19th Century.
But officials sent it for a scan after noticing it was in poor condition - and the sorry-looking snake was re-stuffed.
Foreign Office officials say they are obliged to maintain the department's assets - and Albert is seen as one such asset.
Sigh!How can I take the government's cuts seriously?Really?Getting a stuffed snake re-stuffed is more important than saving money? :shrug:

Damien 02-11-2012 14:00

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I don't know, if it's been there since the 19th century that it might be a act of barbarism to let it go.

Maggy 02-11-2012 15:14

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Sorry Damien I think that's rather a poor reason..

Damien 02-11-2012 15:43

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491678)
Sorry Damien I think that's rather a poor reason..

I don't. £10,000 is the grand scheme of things is nothing. Letting historical items or buildings go to waste to save money needs to be a decision that isn't taken lightly. The Government probably has a multitude of these types of items and buildings, items and locations that have seen generations of British royalty and politicians pass them by. I think it can be a sobering and inspiring thought when you're in a place that has seen so much history. Imagine staff working on desks on which their predecessors conducted affairs of Empire or plotted during World War 2. Some countries do not have that.

That isn't to say it's always justified but it's not a obvious choice. Is £10,000 really too much to pay to restore such an item?

Chris 02-11-2012 15:48

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^This.

As an antique it has value, which belongs to the nation. The Government has a responsibility to protect the value of such assets. Allowing valuable national assets to rust and rot would be short term cultural vandalism.

Derek 02-11-2012 16:28

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£10,000 isn't really a huge amount when you look at how much the impending renovations of Westminster are going to cost.

Maggy 02-11-2012 17:10

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35491700)
£10,000 isn't really a huge amount when you look at how much the impending renovations of Westminster are going to cost.

Maybe not but it would be a reasonable way to save money.

Chris 02-11-2012 17:12

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491719)
Maybe not but it would be a reasonable way to save money.

Not if failing to spend £10k on preserving an antique asset results in that asset's value plummeting or vanishing entirely.

Maggy 02-11-2012 17:14

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35491694)
^This.

As an antique it has value, which belongs to the nation. The Government has a responsibility to protect the value of such assets. Allowing valuable national assets to rust and rot would be short term cultural vandalism.

If it was something useful I might have agreed with your suggestion.However one can't sit on a stuffed snake or write on a stuffed snake or put books on a stuffed snake.As an antique it wouldn't have been missed at all and for £10,000 I'm sure they could have bought a reasonably cheaper antique.;)

I'm just getting rather sick of being told that we should all be spending money more wisely in our own lives and that the nation must try and make cutbacks as a nation and then they do something like this.

Chris 02-11-2012 17:30

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And I think you've been gripped by an attack of the sort of short-termism for which politicians are often criticised. That, and a failure to grasp the magnitude of the national budget and the fact that £10k is less than a rounding error that could not even be easily transferred to another department. I can see how this makes shocking headlines but seriously, this is simply what it costs to maintain our historic buildings and their contents.

Think of it this way. If things get *really* bad, at least Albert is now in a state where he can be sold, hopefully for something well in excess of £10k.

danielf 02-11-2012 17:40

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491724)
If it was something useful I might have agreed with your suggestion.However one can't sit on a stuffed snake or write on a stuffed snake or put books on a stuffed snake.

Strange reasoning for someone whom I think teaches Art?

Osem 02-11-2012 19:10

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35491691)
I don't. £10,000 is the grand scheme of things is nothing. Letting historical items or buildings go to waste to save money needs to be a decision that isn't taken lightly. The Government probably has a multitude of these types of items and buildings, items and locations that have seen generations of British royalty and politicians pass them by. I think it can be a sobering and inspiring thought when you're in a place that has seen so much history. Imagine staff working on desks on which their predecessors conducted affairs of Empire or plotted during World War 2. Some countries do not have that.

That isn't to say it's always justified but it's not a obvious choice. Is £10,000 really too much to pay to restore such an item?

I must be slipping as I find myself in agreement... :D

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35491733)
A better option would have been to put it up on Ebay, saved the £10K and made what it was really worth.

This sort of waste is endemic across all sections of government and it really has to stop. It has nothing to do with preserving treasures for the nation and everything to do with the waste that the elite think they should spend our money on.

It's hardly the Mona Lisa is it?

It's probably a good deal prettier than the Mona Lisa. :D

Maggy 02-11-2012 19:23

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35491737)
Strange reasoning for someone whom I think teaches Art?

What the hell does a stuffed snake have to do with art?:confused:

Osem 02-11-2012 19:28

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491774)
What the hell does a stuffed snake have to do with art?:confused:

Ask Damien Hirst. :D

Maggy 02-11-2012 19:32

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35491729)
And I think you've been gripped by an attack of the sort of short-termism for which politicians are often criticised. That, and a failure to grasp the magnitude of the national budget and the fact that £10k is less than a rounding error that could not even be easily transferred to another department. I can see how this makes shocking headlines but seriously, this is simply what it costs to maintain our historic buildings and their contents.

Think of it this way. If things get *really* bad, at least Albert is now in a state where he can be sold, hopefully for something well in excess of £10k.

£10,£10,000,£100,0000 or ten million..it's still waste surely?

I'm not even playing party politics here folks.I truly think it's a waste of public money and my inner soul cringes.

Chris 02-11-2012 19:42

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491778)
£10,£10,000,£100,0000 or ten million..it's still waste surely?

I'm not even playing party politics here folks.I truly think it's a waste of public money and my inner soul cringes.

No, £10, £10,000 or £10,000,000, it's only a waste if value is destroyed rather than created or maintained.

I don't suppose anyone has come across an estimate of what Albert is worth have they?

danielf 02-11-2012 19:51

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491774)
What the hell does a stuffed snake have to do with art?:confused:

Surely, I don't have to explain that the fact that some things don't have an immediate practical purpose (such as Art) doesn't necessarily mean they're not worth pursuing?

martyh 02-11-2012 19:53

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I would have gladly donated 10 grand if it was Hague getting stuffed

Osem 02-11-2012 20:18

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I heard that when he was in power John Prescott spent £££'s getting himself stuffed. :D

Maggy 02-11-2012 20:53

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35491786)
Surely, I don't have to explain that the fact that some things don't have an immediate practical purpose (such as Art) doesn't necessarily mean they're not worth pursuing?

Sorry I should have remembered Hirst's shark..But even then I did ask what a shark in formaldehyde had to do with art.:p:

So what does a stuffed snake have to do with art?

Osem 02-11-2012 20:55

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Parliament and the Ciivil Service is full of stuffed artefacts and we should support them. :D

Maggy 02-11-2012 20:56

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35491798)
Parliament and the Ciivil Service is full of stuffed artefacts and we should support them. :D


Whatever their political persuasion? ;)

Osem 02-11-2012 20:59

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491799)
Whatever their political persuasion? ;)

O' course. They're all true gentlemen and fine ole folke doing their best to drag us mere mortals out o' the gutter.... ;)

Frankly I wish they'd all forget the colour of their badges and work together to get us out of the mess New Labour got us into. ;)

danielf 02-11-2012 21:42

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35491796)
Sorry I should have remembered Hirst's shark..But even then I did ask what a shark in formaldehyde had to do with art.:p:

So what does a stuffed snake have to do with art?

I'm not sure if you're deliberately or genuinely obtuse.

Many people will question the purpose of art, and whether we should spend public money on it. Many people will question the purpose of re-stuffing a Victorian era Anaconda. Neither serves a practical purpose. Some things are worth keeping just for quirkiness. They might be considered art in future. If an art teacher thinks quirky things aren't worth investing in, then I have little hope for the future of art.

Damien 02-11-2012 22:19

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Somethings are worth the money for their culture or their history. The world and life would be a very sad and boring place otherwise. Everything doesn't have to have an immediate financial payoff to be worth of our money and time. The Olympics were a great example of this.

nomadking 02-11-2012 22:28

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It sounds like they may have been legally obliged to restore it. Did they know what the full cost was going to be, before going ahead? They might have assumed that the cost would have been low as it's not exactly a complicated shape or pose.

TheDaddy 03-11-2012 02:07

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35491722)
Not if failing to spend £10k on preserving an antique asset results in that asset's value plummeting or vanishing entirely.

Or they could've sent it somewhere other than the natural history museum who'd have done it cheaper, I find it amusing to that billy hague and his cronies share a building with a snake, bet it fits right in...

Maggy 03-11-2012 11:43

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35491782)
No, £10, £10,000 or £10,000,000, it's only a waste if value is destroyed rather than created or maintained.

I don't suppose anyone has come across an estimate of what Albert is worth have they?

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/sh...l-pythons.html

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/29074...var=sbar&cbt=y

Alive one costs £200

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/sh...ll-python.html

A live pregnant anaconda will cost over $2299.

http://www.backwaterreptiles.com/sna...-for-sale.html

But a dead antique stuffed snake in Google just leads me back to this news tale which appears to have spread across the world overnight.

danielf 03-11-2012 12:12

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35491822)
I'm not sure if you're deliberately or genuinely obtuse.

Okay, I've settled on genuine.

martyh 03-11-2012 14:21

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35491828)
It sounds like they may have been legally obliged to restore it. Did they know what the full cost was going to be, before going ahead? They might have assumed that the cost would have been low as it's not exactly a complicated shape or pose.

That's correct ,as a gift to the nation they have a legal obligation to maintain it ,but as with most government jobs it costs 4 times as much as any other because no-one bothers to get quotes or question the price .A snake i assume would be priced per inch which according to this is around $3 per inch

Maggy 03-11-2012 14:40

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35491924)
Okay, I've settled on genuine.

No I just don't accept your premise so there is nothing left to discuss.

Stuffed animal = Natural History.
Painting of animal =Art.

Now do you see what MY premise is.

TheNorm 03-11-2012 16:49

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From the OP link:

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The work was carried out by the conservation team at the Natural History Museum...
The money wasn't really "wasted" as it stayed in the UK.

Osem 03-11-2012 17:01

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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35492068)
From the OP link:



The money wasn't really "wasted" as it stayed in the UK.

Oh bugger! That's the end of the argument then... :D


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