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As this is for the final code I thought I'd start a seperate thread

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4692...ows-8-now-free

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Enterprise edition only I believe and rearm is disabled

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Is this the same as the Business edition that is rumoured to have the normal start button instead of the metro oops: sorry forced UI interface ?

Might download and install it in a VM box

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I have pre-ordered windows 8 now as I'm well up for the new accessibility.

Microsoft are not using 'Metro' to describe the new interface now (Now Modern UI), seems pretty late to change the name now doesn't it.

http://tech2.in.com/news/windows/mic...ro-name/374062

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Anyone know of any decent (free if possible) security that works with it?

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It still has the tiles unfortunately but it does seem a little more polished.

However for some reason Oracle VirtualBox doesn't seem to work properly on my computer so I've not managed to go through it all yet

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Does it need a key or does it just install?

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It just installs

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Win8 includes Microsoft Security Essentials.

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theres no start button in enterprise edition same as rest just different features ect enterprise has windows to go feature

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Can't believe they're still going ahead with the met...oops, the "new UI".

Yuck, I can't see Windows 8 being all that successful

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Yep tried it in a VM, it has Metro mobile phone interface so that will be a no from me.

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still using xp here

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Hmmm, keyword 'decent'... ;)

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Still using Xp here too as well on win 7 but win 8 + what I heard/read about the whole "metro" idea going with a touch screen. So there no mouse or keyboard....that just insane for rest of us that like to use a mouse & keyboard beside like others of my age range we all started off with just prompt code just to boot up the programme from 3.5/7 floppies or slow tape storage. Going mouse/keyboard-less is not going to go down too good with like of us plain & simple PC users...plus from I saw from Win 8 mee thinks it's going be another win2000 from the word go :shocked: + that says a lot from a person like myself & that what they call progress..... let me think here :td::td::td: to put what think of it (Win 8).

toonlight

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windows 8 works fine with mouse and keyboard thats what i use and it lot better than windows xp and 7

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I tried it for about 30 mins didn't seem too bad. only thing I didn't like was the layout of trying to find stuff seems a lot more complex like MS are trying to keep people away from anything to do with an operating system.

This generation of kids they have to make things stupid proof

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its so easy to use I dunno what peoples problems are TBH

Press windows key and you have a normal windows desktop

Quicklaunch enables the same as in 7 just add a new toolbar and send it to

%userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch

so all its missing is the start orb and program list. So it takes a couple of extra clicks. Win key to new ui right click nothing select all apps gives you access to everything a program list would have done. Control panel looks like it always has if you select view by small icons

To shut down its just arrow to top right corner setting power and shut down or whatever

Ok these few things take a few extra clicks but its hardly a big deal . The OS for the main will work the same as 7

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Oh and start8 works with RTM so you can even have your orb if you want so the only difference is the program file list which is easy enough to deal with

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In fact how I use my computer with shortcuts in folders on desktop I personally could use win 8 without ever looking at the new ui

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pic of basic win 8 desktop I will add folders with program shortcuts later

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start8 right click menu and shut down options triggered by start8

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start8 scrollable New UI

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How to create restart and shut down tiles

goto desktop right click empty space and select new shortcut name it shutdown in the location box type shutdown /p
same again only name restart and location is shutdown /r /t 0

right click each shortcut and select pin to start

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Well i have had the 90 day test version installed for 5 days now and intend to run it for the 90 days, i made a backup of my machine for when i go back to windows 7 should i not like this. I am hoping by the 90 days someone will have sorted the forced ui ;).

First impressions are it is no different to windows 7 other than there is no aero desktop and that ruddy metro interface, it is nowhere near as bad as it was but it does still get in the way :mad:

Below is a screen shot of my nice clean desktop

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you can set colour intensity of the windows they are transparent well the taskbar anyway ( do not miss aero I have full window blinds if I wanna change it once supported)

I have to say I am not far off ready to support windows 8 once it hits the shelves :)

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We too installed the eval on one of our desktops (was Vista) & are enjoying the experience. It seems much more refined than the beta I installed on my laptop a few months ago.
We like it so much that if we can get 3 upgrades for the $39.99 each that has been mentioned then the 3 desktops in the house will move to 8 & the laptop will remain 7.
Many thanks to tizmeinnit for mentioning start8 :) good find mate :tu:

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Have to say this is starting to grow on me now that i am getting used to the differant interface :shocked:

I think Microsoft have done the right thing by doing this 80 day option to allow you to test it.

Agreed, I think they had no option but to do that due to the huge change in the way we have to use it, also I think having the option to upgrade older versions of windows to 8 pro for £25 is excellent value.

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[QUOTE=Sirius;35466123
I think Microsoft have done the right thing by doing this 80 day option to allow you to test it.[/QUOTE]

Have they not always done that? I had trials of Windows 7 and XP which lasted 180 days before they came out

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Don't know, have never had to do it this way before as i was always going to upgrade. This version because of the mobile phone interface was and still is undecided.

I will make the final decision just before the end of the 80 day trial.

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all windows have a leeway from installation to activation and they have always bee rearmable but this one isnt ( apparently)

although funnily enough I have found instructions that I am yet to try

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can confirm rearm works (this is not piracy or in breach of EULA as it is part of the operating system. The rearm can be run 3 times giving you 270 days

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Installing it now....

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:tu:

Gives me more time to try and get used to the mobile phone interface :LOL:

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How?

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Hmmm, this is going to take a lot of getting used to....

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search my computer for cmd. Normal elevation or UAC off is not enough. Run CMD as administrator type slmgr /dli to check status and type slmgr /rearm to rearm it . Wait till last day to run rearm to get full 270. Tested on a VM

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Russ

Hardest for me is getting used to the metro interface, It's slow but i am getting there :)

Windows 8 Classic Start Menu
 

I have been searching for this type of thing ever since I heard that Windows 8 would not have a Start Button and it looks like it has been achieved.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08..._start_button/

If anyone is running Windows 8 and fancy trying it, could you do so and report back on how it is and if it works for you.

This may mean I will upgrade to Windows 8 if this works.

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Will try this as soon as i get home tonight.

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I said right from the start this would be the case all the fuss and nonsense about metro and it was all for nothing

tested and working btw

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Excellent news

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Excellent I will be trying Windows 8 at the weekend then, unless I get time tonight to unraid my ssd's and load win 8 on 1 and win 7 on the other.

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Installing it on my spare PC now.

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Not keen on the metro interface at all. It's certainly no good for me and my media Centre PC.

Classic shell installed and metro bypassed :)

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Dumped it. I liked the layout and the apps were quite handy but too many things I use often are not compatible with it.

Once all the bugs are ironed out I'll probably go for it though.

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did you try compat mode with anything? All I have really been interested in myself is the OS and how to get around it for work purposes not really tried many apps.

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AMD Catalyst drivers Win8 preview wont install. Any idea's?
http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...ewDrivers.aspx

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Well i had to remove it last night and go back to my trusty windows 7 backup.

Main problem was gaming, i play BF3 on the NTHWgaming.co.uk servers and i found that my frame rates and general play was somewhat reduced under windows 8.

Last night i had many issues during our Friday night gaming and drinking session :D. In the end it was that bad that i had to remove windows 8 and reinstall my windows 7 backup. There was an immediate improvement in frame rates and general game play.

Maybe Microsoft would prefer we play games on there kiddie console and not on our pc's. :mad:

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Or, to be fair it might be because the maker of your graphics card haven't got final Win8 drivers?

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Nvidia

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Driver issue not WIN 8 fault not RTM yet although the AMD drivers on mine went in ok and seem stable but I am not using it as a main OS yet

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found a real strange fault with win 8 on a stand alone OS

I have Win 7 on a 120 ssd and win 8 on 60 gig ssd each their own install changed boot priority for each so each has its own system partition so totally separate.

Boot into win 8 network dies have to uninstall Nic reboot and its fine. However when I boot back into 7 it finds new hardware fails on the Nic again has to be uninstalled and rebooted and its fine. I have no idea how this is happening but it is . Love an oddity me lol

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for windows 8 NVidia use version 302.82 that proper one for windows 8 works fine

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using windows 8 pro rtm loving it

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where did you get that from? I am still on the Enterprise edition

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check your pm's

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I have my copy on pre-order.

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which version you pre-ordered pro ?

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Yip. That's the one. I am looking forward to the new accessibility stuff in it :)

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sure you will love it

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Is the disc important to you? If you just upgrade via Microsoft.com (download) its only £25 vs. £50 on a disc from Amazon (and presumably elsewhere).

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What is the cheapest i can get the full version for as there is no way in hell i am giving up my £45 full version of Windows 7, what are my options? :)

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hey

am running windows 8 pro RTM (Dreakspark)

at i keep getting this graphic glitch has anyone seen it before??

its like all the text has gone fuzzy!

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I would say the resolution is wrong for the screen

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its set at 1080 and it only does it with the windows apps

everything else is ok

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have you got right graphic drivers what graphic card you use

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yeah got them direct from ATI

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I want to use my old windows xp disc to upgrade (fresh install) not upgrade my windows 7 installation so I'm not sure I can do the download thing.

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new NVidia windows 8 graphic drivers out today 306.23 WHQL

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-uk

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That doesn't work for an upgrade anymore as far as I'm aware http://www.ghacks.net/2012/07/04/win...-not-possible/ you can only use an upgrade disc with an already installed OS

Otherwise you'll have to buy the full version

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Trouble is I don't think I can upgrade my windows 7 (as It's a MSDN one).

I guess I'll just cancel the order.

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you should be to as you have a legal key

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Cheers - I guess I'll find out next month ;)

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As far as I know, all it checks is that it's a valid Windows install - it doesn't have to have all the hardware working

So potentially, if it doesn't upgrade from W7, then wipe and install XP, then upgrade immediately from the 1st XP boot

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Is it possible to upgrade from a retail windows 7 to windows 8... and then at a later date downgrade back to windows 7, and even upgrade back to windows 8 at a later time?

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In place upgrade shouldn't be an issue as that is designed in - but again the earlier OS has to be installed. Any downgrade would have to be a wipe and re-install with the lower OS as far as I know.

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with a call to MS you should be able to do what you want with Retail

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As I understand it, it's nothing about a call. The upgrade media has built in blocks so it won't run without an OS being installed

Buy the full version of Win8 and you can do what you like

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And I mean't that even if the edition will not activate ie after the reinstall of 7 a call to MS and explaination will allow it

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Is there anything official on downgrade rights as i would like to see it all in writing?

ie... Yes i can upgrade a retail 7 to windows upgrade 8 version and then downgrade again without messing up my licenses, i do understand both licenses wouldnt work at the same time though, but my worry is it will kill my windows 7 license, that is what i want to find out. :)

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No it wouldn't. If you got a retail version, it's yours to do with as you wish. You can even uninstall it on one machine and install it on another. Only restriction is running on two machines at the same time

It's the OEM versions that are locked down hard and to the machine it came on, and need specific downgrade rights.

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Sounds good then i may get the cheap upgrade version of Windows 8 now even if i think it is bad.

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Honestly with the hacks its just another windows

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I've installed it and had it running for a few days now and everything seems ok however I've noticed something with Firefox. When I browse to a page, for the first second or so the text is slightly blurry, a bit like how it looks with IE9 then it goes back to normal straight away. Not a massive problem by any means though.

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I've heard about a limited time cheap upgrade offer from Win7 to Win8 being offered by MS for £15 or thereabouts IIRC. Presumably this will be a download as opposed to a disc but if I take advantage of it and find I don't like it, I'm assuming (with my limited knowledge of PCs) I won't be able to go back to Win7 without a whole lot of fuss, if at all?

Can anyone clarify please. TVM as always.

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I had been wondering the same but was assured on here that after upgrading to windows 8 for the limited time £24.99 (£15.00 is for a computer bought with windows 7 on it from a certain time i think) cost i could then install Windows 7 on another computer or go back to Windows 7 at a later date, if this isnt the case i would like to know before i take the plunge.

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Returning to Windows 7 would probably require a reformat/reinstall and I reckon that as it's an upgrade you wouldn't legally be able to use the Windows 7 license on another PC, just speculation at the moment though.

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Hopefully someone will clarify on here again very soon as i have never used an upgrade.

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Well this is in the Windows 7 terms from here http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal...s/Default.aspx

So I read that as, as long as W8 is installed, then the W7 licence is no longer valid. So you can't use both at the same time. However, I see no issue with you removing W8 and reinstalling W7, as means that only one install is live

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That is what i was worried about, so it sucks big time now, i may not upgrade as i don't want to lose my full windows 7.

I wonder how much the full version of Windows 8 will cost on release day?

EDIT- Just found some info saying the full version of Windows 8 won't exist, so the only options would be an OEM system builders or the upgrade!

http://www.zdnet.com/how-the-new-win...ou-7000003028/

It is possible that for the first time MS will let you transfer your system builders license to another PC.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-prici...-7-7000004361/

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Windows 8 Pro OEM will allow for downgrades to Win 7 and Vista


By Shawn Knight

On September 3, 2012, 6:30 PM EST


Comments 19

windows, vista, windows 8, windows 7, windows 8 pro, downgra

It has been revealed that Microsoft’s Windows 8 Pro edition will allow customers to downgrade to an older version of Windows if you aren’t entirely happy with the latest iteration. Users can elect to install Windows 7 or Windows Vista in place of the new OS although it’s worth pointing out that you’ll be without a boxed retail version should you go this route.

It seems unlikely that most buyers would want to downgrade but as Engadget points out, there are a few scenarios where having options would be plausible. Manufacturers could include a copy of Windows 7 along with new PC purchases in order to give shoppers more flexibility.

These same companies could also sell new computers with Windows 7 pre-installed in the event that some users wouldn’t be comfortable spending money on a system with an OS they are unfamiliar with. A dual-boot option would be the perfect scenario for PC users to learn Windows 8 at their own pace but it’s unlikely we will see this.

Downgrading to Windows 7 might also be an option in the event you are running mission-critical software that might not yet be fully compatible with Windows 8.

It’s worth pointing out that Windows XP and earlier operating systems aren’t included in the downgrade rights. Furthermore, the service is only offered on OEM copies of Windows 8 Pro – retail versions and other editions of Windows 8 need not apply. Windows 8 will be launching on October 26, 2012.

http://www.techspot.com/news/50018-w...and-vista.html

im running windows 8 pro and loving it

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it seems to go in and out of focus all the time, ive tried playing with settings like disabling smooth scrolling in firefox but no luck

with the amount of bugs in firefox at the moment ive just ditched it for chrome

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Yeah I gave up and went back to 7 yesterday. Shame though, I quite liked it. Some of the tiles stopped working too. I'd click on one and it would 'fold' forwards then a few seconds later it would disappear. Presumably these bugs will be ironed out and I'll probably get the £25 upgrade when it comes out.

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what's happening at msn

The All New MSN for Windows 8


Built Exclusively for Windows 8 and Internet Explorer 10

By MSN Team 39 minutes ago

The launch of Windows 8 and Internet Explorer 10 will change the way we use devices and the internet. It opens up a new class of opportunities for us to reimagine all of our products and services including MSN. MSN with more than 480 million visitors per month is the top site in 27 markets and remains one of the most popular media destinations on the Internet.


When we saw what Windows 8 and IE 10 could make possible, we saw possibilities we had never before imagined. We thought deeply about how you could interact with MSN in an increasingly touch and tablet-friendly world. We envisioned something completely new and refreshing that would surprise and delight. Something built from the ground up that harnesses the new technical capabilities in Windows 8 and Internet Explorer 10.

Staying in the know just got easier and faster. Designed exclusively for Windows 8, the all new MSN will be the first thing you experience when you launch Internet Explorer 10 on your new device.

Available October 26th, MSN for Windows 8 gives you a place where you can be informed, decompress and let your curiosity reign. From the updated user interface to blazing fast speed and comprehensive content, MSN showcases what it does best – instant access to the information you want.

http://www.msnblog.msn.com/?OCID=MSN...Announcement_0

the site has a video of it too

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Well I have the final version off dreamspark, not sure what version your using?

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Just wondering if you already own windows 7 I bought the OEM version from microsoft can I still get it for £25?

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I am not sure if that helps me as i want to buy the upgrade version for £24.99 and everything i have read says i can't downgrade it to Windows 7 full version if i desire.

From a Google search Windows 8 Pro OEM downgrade rights are for a new computer bought with it on and even if i bought the OEM i still wouldn't need downgrade rights as i own the full version of Windows 7 so i could put that back on without a problem with the license.

Windows 8 Pro OEM is rumoured to cost around £100 4 times more than the upgrade, so i need to weigh up what i want to do if i don't want to lose my Windows 7 license. EDIT- Looks like i would need Windows 7 Pro to be able to do that which i don't have.

If there really are downgrade rights for an upgrade version of Windows 8 Pro to a full boxed version of Windows 7 i can't find it.

I am planning on buying an SSD as they're so cheap and trying out Windows 8 before i decide.

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I think you are getting a bit confused.

Downgrade rights are different to reverting to a previously installed version of Windows

Downgrade rights allow you to uninstall the OEM version of Windows that came with your PC and install a different version but allows a licenced upgrade again back to the licenced version that came with the PC http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/lice...de_rights.aspx

As far as I read it, the only issue you would have with what you want to do is installing your W7 install on another computer at the same time as the upgraded W8 install. As long as you were doing it on the same machine, you can wipe W8 and reinstall W7 without breaking the licence

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It is easy to get confused Ben as there is alot of incorrect information on the net about downgrading to Windows 7 after buying the upgrade, so yes i didn't understand downgrade rights.

As for my original question a few pages back your post on the matter http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35474417-post79.html is unforntunetly wrong as you can't downgrade anymore as the upgrade is said to kill the license from windows 7.

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Yes it does - whilst you are using the upgraded W8 install that was validated by the W7 licence

Uninstall the W8 upgrade, and the W7 licence becomes valid again. For instance:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/what-...ensing_p3/1514

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But i don't have an OEM version, i have the full boxed version and from what i have read now from various sites it says you can't downgrade back to it, this is why i and many others are finding it confusing.

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Well I for one am going to try to either use a VL XP to upgrade to win 8 and leave the win 7 version on the laptop as is or to test how clever it is I will also try and use it upgrade a inactivated version of win 7 see if it lets it upgrade

All that it said was to qualify you had to buy a windows 7 version after July 2nd iirc they do not stipulate you have to use that version to upgrade as they know nothing about it anyway . They did not ask for key or any details