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Henkesghost 14-08-2012 11:28

Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Got Superhub (and Tivo) installed about 4 months ago. Constant internet problems since, "cannot connect, not connected" messages every couple of days. have had countless calls and engineers. Always a Bear on here kindly gave me CEO e mail address. Got called by Neil at CEO office and he advised that it sounds like it was installed with the wrong adapter, 12v and 1.0 amp where it should be 12v and 1.5 amp. Guy was very helpfull and said he would get proper adapter and new Superhub sent out. He was pretty confident that this is the problem, does anyone have experience of this, is he correct???


Many thanks for any advice and to Alwaysabear for his help :)

Mick Fisher 14-08-2012 14:39

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Using the properly rated power supply is, of course, desirable, however I doubt it will solve your, presumedly, wireless connectivity issues.

You can try changing the wireless channel manually between 1 or 6 or 11.

Auto seems to set the channel to 1 and leaves it there. At least that seemed to happen with my superhub.

You can see who's using which channel in your locality by installing InSSider.

If you still have problems consider acquiring a proper router and switch the superhub to modem mode.

Stuart 14-08-2012 15:28

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35463088)
Using the properly rated power supply is, of course, desirable, however I doubt it will solve your, presumedly, wireless connectivity issues.

Depends. If you don't feed any electronic device enough current, a lot of random things can happen. If the problems are wireless, it's entirely possible the Superhub is not able to give enough current to the Wireless radios to operate properly.

BenMcr 14-08-2012 15:57

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35463088)
Using the properly rated power supply is, of course, desirable, however I doubt it will solve your, presumedly, wireless connectivity issues

It certainly fixes other issues

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul nolan (Post 35459150)
well, the Flood detection theory hasn't worked for me.

Xbox multiplayer has been rendered completely useless because I fear the connection dropping out constantly.

The virgin media forums are littered with people compaining about the same thing with no solution forthcoming.

What on earth was wrong with the R30 firmware, that worked perfectly fine?

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul nolan (Post 35462525)
Well, I'm Finally fixed thanks to update on the Virgin Media support forums.

I was lazy when my Superhub was delivered, and just plugged in the old mains lead from my old Virgin Modem "because it fit", not giving a thought to power input/outputs.

The 0.8 A output must have been sufficient for the previous firmware but it definitely isnt for R36. Found the plug that came with the superhub that obviously has the right power output and voila..... no problems.

That'll teach me to be lazy.....


Henkesghost 14-08-2012 16:06

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Thanks for the replies, hope it works, really had enough of this.:(

jb66 14-08-2012 16:36

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
In my experience it makes no difference what psu you have. Mother than going modem mode I can't think of a way to make the hub work properly

Henkesghost 14-08-2012 16:48

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463119)
In my experience it makes no difference what psu you have. Mother than going modem mode I can't think of a way to make the hub work properly

Doesn't look good then :( CEO office admit that this hasn't been great and if not sorted by end of the month they will release me from my contract. Don't really want the hassle of getting another provider, just want it to work. Huge letdown!

jb66 14-08-2012 16:58

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Ask them to send you a dlink615, problem solved :)

BenMcr 14-08-2012 17:00

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463119)
In my experience it makes no difference what psu you have. Mother than going modem mode I can't think of a way to make the hub work properly

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ly/m-p/1347858

Quote:

When you install any electrical device, including the Virgin Media Super Hub, it’s important that it only uses the power supply that came with it. This ensures the device isn’t under powered, which, in the case of the Super Hub, will result in poor broadband reliability or wireless performance.

Henkesghost 14-08-2012 17:04

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Ben's post looks a bit more positive:D CEO office will phone me on Monday to find out if this has worked. Thanks all for taking the time, really is appreciated.:)

jb66 14-08-2012 17:19

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463133)

Why are you posting a link to a stalling tactic?

BenMcr 14-08-2012 17:36

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463138)
Why are you posting a link to a stalling tactic?

It's not. Apart from the example I posted earlier there is this one from last year:
http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...ng/td-p/353001

Quote:

50MB didn't seem that impressive, pages wouldn't load on occasions and the hub would drop the main Internet connection and wifi regularly.
Quote:

The new router PSU is 12volts......The old modem PSU operates at 10volts
Quote:

My new Super hub is much more stable (I wonder why) but its still not perfect..So heres what I've done to make it better:

1, Set the Wireless N speed to 145 MB (this seems to improve the wifi reliability)
2, Disable the IPflood detection in content filtering...services.... (this seems to improve the opening pages issue and pages timing out.) If you want to check the difference go to speedtest.net then pingtest.net and try it...I was getting 80% packet loss..... With IPflood switched off its now 100% accurate.

jb66 14-08-2012 17:43

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter??
 
We will see on Monday....

moowow! 14-08-2012 23:00

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
is the router have 12v written on it? i had a super hub installed on sat and having all these problems they came early and was not in when it got fitted so i dunno what they did but im looking at the adaptor and it says 10v and it still tangled with my old cables don't look like they changed it from my modem?

BenMcr 14-08-2012 23:24

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moowow! (Post 35463248)
is the router have 12v written on it? i had a super hub installed on sat and having all these problems they came early and was not in when it got fitted so i dunno what they did but im looking at the adaptor and it says 10v and it still tangled with my old cables don't look like they changed it from my modem?

I'm pretty sure it'll be in the engineer's handbook to install the right power supply when they fit it.

If they haven't they aren't doing their job right and there is no excuse for that.

moowow! 14-08-2012 23:26

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463258)
I'm pretty sure it'll be in the engineer's handbook to install the right power supply when they fit it.

If they haven't they aren't doing their job right and there is no excuse for that.

i just found a pic of what the supply should look like and how on it so it is deffo the wrong one they installed so i put posted on the support forum explain it lets hope they send out the correct supply!!

How lazy are they not to change the plug over, it not like it take hours to install a router it was a simple swap job!

sollp 14-08-2012 23:30

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463258)
I'm pretty sure it'll be in the engineer's handbook to install the right power supply when they fit it.

If they haven't they aren't doing their job right and there is no excuse for that.

Installers and service have been told about having correct PSU fitted, so unless this hasn't been cascaded to all,(which wouldn't surprise me) they should be replacing them

jb66 15-08-2012 09:52

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moowow! (Post 35463260)
i just found a pic of what the supply should look like and how on it so it is deffo the wrong one they installed so i put posted on the support forum explain it lets hope they send out the correct supply!!

How lazy are they not to change the plug over, it not like it take hours to install a router it was a simple swap job!

There are two versions that fit the superhub, the newer curved one that makes a screeching noise and a smaller black square one they've stopped making. The correct thing to do is check the amp and voltage


Even if it wasn't cascaded its common sense that something 10v shouldn't been placed in something that uses 12v

Hugh 15-08-2012 09:56

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463119)
In my experience it makes no difference what psu you have. Mother than going modem mode I can't think of a way to make the hub work properly

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463316)
There are two versions that fit the superhub, the newer curved one that makes a screeching noise and a smaller black square one they've stopped making. The correct thing to do is check the amp and voltage


Even if it wasn't cascaded its common sense that something 10v shouldn't been placed in something that uses 12v

;)

jb66 15-08-2012 09:58

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35463321)
;)

LOLOLOL

My point was it still reboots and causes havoc weather I put my noisy psu in or an old psu grrr

qasdfdsaq 15-08-2012 10:47

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
In my experience other than having the wrong type of PSU completely (i.e. wrong voltage) when I'd be surprised it works at all, the rating of the PSU makes very little to no difference.

moowow! 15-08-2012 18:49

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
virgin do not seam to be responding to my post on there forum so i have sent them an email, how long does it normally take to get a reply?

kwikbreaks 15-08-2012 19:14

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Usually a few days but it can be a week. Look ast some they've responded to and see how long they took. They do them in batches and the tech ids are red iirc - they look different anyhow so easy to spot.

Henkesghost 15-08-2012 19:56

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463258)
I'm pretty sure it'll be in the engineer's handbook to install the right power supply when they fit it.

If they haven't they aren't doing their job right and there is no excuse for that.

Ben I've had 4 or 5 engineers out and not one has checked this. Given what CEO office have said my PSU is wrong :(

moowow! 16-08-2012 11:46

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Im getting no where with customer support! yesterday we sent a "signal" that was meant to fix it and today when i called cas it was still not fixed they changed my wireless channel!!! Is there anyone i can speak to that can do stuff off the script?

BenMcr 16-08-2012 11:56

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
What have they said when you've told them you've got the wrong power supply?

Henkesghost 16-08-2012 11:59

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463715)
What have they said when you've told them you've got the wrong power supply?

They said they will send a new Superhub and PSU, said someone would text me yesterday or today to confirm but nothing as yet.

Note they told me I had the wrong PSU:)

moowow! 16-08-2012 12:15

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35463716)
They said they will send a new Superhub and PSU, said someone would text me yesterday or today to confirm but nothing as yet.

Note they told me I had the wrong PSU:)

am i getting though to the right people? what option did you pick when you called them?

Henkesghost 16-08-2012 12:25

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moowow! (Post 35463721)
am i getting though to the right people? what option did you pick when you called them?


I didn't m8, i filled in about my 4th complaint form on my virgin media and they called me.

Aser 16-08-2012 22:10

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Even though I had the correct PSU, I was getting a lot of internet disconnections with my superhub, even in modem mode. Since the PSU has always made a high pitched whine, I thought it could be faulty and replaced it with a regulated 12V one that I had. It's been solid ever since. So the PSU does make a difference.

jb66 16-08-2012 22:38

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aser (Post 35463974)
Even though I had the correct PSU, I was getting a lot of internet disconnections with my superhub, even in modem mode. Since the PSU has always made a high pitched whine, I thought it could be faulty and replaced it with a regulated 12V one that I had. It's been solid ever since. So the PSU does make a difference.

Intresting, could the superhub issues be down to the crappy psus?

BenMcr 16-08-2012 22:47

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463991)
Intresting, could the superhub issues be down to the crappy psus?

*cough*

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463119)
In my experience it makes no difference what psu you have.

:D

Henkesghost 17-08-2012 07:10

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Connected the new Superhub and PSU last night. Normally connection is lost over night but not this morning :D So far so good. Thanks for all the advice on here and to Neil at CEO office and Andrew at IT support if they lurk on here.

Mick Fisher 17-08-2012 13:50

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35463991)
Intresting, could the superhub issues be down to the crappy psus?

Hmmm...If that was the case wouldn't modem mode be affected by crappy PSU's.

My superhub is using the correct PSU and was rebooting itself hourly when I used router mode. Since switching to modem mode it hasn't put a foot wrong for many months.

th'engineer 17-08-2012 16:45

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
reading with interest will let you know how mine goes

qasdfdsaq 18-08-2012 02:22

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35463997)
*cough*

Perhaps he means he sees the same problems with all the PSUs, hence not making a difference, they're all just as crap.

---------- Post added at 01:22 ---------- Previous post was at 01:22 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35464138)
Hmmm...If that was the case wouldn't modem mode be affected by crappy PSU's.

Modem mode uses less power?

paul nolan 18-08-2012 09:23

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
My experience of this problem, was that the router couldn't handle more than 2 devices while plugged in with a lower supply. So if a computer and the Xbox were on, a smartphone just trying to routinely update would knock the router out.

I have had absolutely no problems in the days since I dug the proper PSU out.

kandinsky 18-08-2012 12:09

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
I got mine installed last Saturday and have been having some issues with wireless. After reading this I checked my adaptor.... and its the old 10v one from my old modem.. with the sticker on it I put on to identify it. Bloody lazy engineer.
So they are sending me a new shub and adaptor as they cant send an adaptor on its own.

:mad:

Henkesghost 18-08-2012 13:21

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kandinsky (Post 35464470)
I got mine installed last Saturday and have been having some issues with wireless. After reading this I checked my adaptor.... and its the old 10v one from my old modem.. with the sticker on it I put on to identify it. Bloody lazy engineer.
So they are sending me a new shub and adaptor as they cant send an adaptor on its own.

:mad:

Really seems to have been the problem. Everything been fantastic since proper PSU and Superhub installed. Finally getting what I've been paying for for 4 months :D

Mick Fisher 18-08-2012 14:44

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35464405)
Modem mode uses less power?

Quite possibly.

I suppose the constant rebooting could even be caused by the PSU's primary going momentarily OC at some critical temperature before cooling slightly and resuming normal operation. With it being less stressed in modem mode this critical temp is never reached.

I remember the PSU's for the old Commodore64 were notorious for this fault.

All supposition of course and in my mind highly unlikely. With all the superhubs and PSU's out there a PSU problem would surely have come to light by now.

More significant, in my mind, is the fact that last summer, during the holiday period July and August, my superhub, in router mode, became more stable. IIRC I achieved a mighty 11 days uptime during this period.

I feel this may/must have been due to a decrease in local router wifi interference. Once the holiday period was over hourly rebooting resumed.

moowow! 19-08-2012 14:38

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Im getting closer to have my new adapter, i called the installations department and they sent one out with no problem, instead of all the hassle tech support was giving me (evrerytime i called they took over my computer and changed the wireless channel) , so if anyone is after a new one, try them first if it wasn't installed long ago ;)

BenMcr 20-08-2012 13:06

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35464491)
Really seems to have been the problem. Everything been fantastic since proper PSU and Superhub installed. Finally getting what I've been paying for for 4 months :D

Glad it's sorted :)

moowow! 23-08-2012 11:57

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Hey everyone :) I got my new super hub adapter today and well its great, the poor week signal is now really powerful i used to get 1 bar on this laptop in this room now there 4 :) and there is defiantly a noticeable speed increase and also on the back on the super hub there is a red sticker saying "Only Use New Power Supply" So if this comes on all super hub there no reason why the guys who installed it should of not used the new one in the first place :)

Mick Fisher 23-08-2012 12:06

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moowow! (Post 35466544)
Hey everyone :) I got my new super hub adapter today and well its great, the poor week signal is now really powerful i used to get 1 bar on this laptop in this room now there 4 :) and there is defiantly a noticeable speed increase and also on the back on the super hub there is a red sticker saying "Only Use New Power Supply" So if this comes on all super hub there no reason why the guys who installed it should of not used the new one in the first place :)

Not wishing to put a damper on things but thats how my superhub started off.

After only a few days though it lost all wifi connections because the signal had become so weak.

Changing channels and rebooting got it back but then the continual rebooting and general mis behaving started. :(

Hope it works out for you :) if not there is always modem mode to fall back to.

moowow! 23-08-2012 13:00

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35466546)
Not wishing to put a damper on things but thats how my superhub started off.

After only a few days though it lost all wifi connections because the signal had become so weak.

Changing channels and rebooting got it back but then the continual rebooting and general mis behaving started. :(

Hope it works out for you :) if not there is always modem mode to fall back to.

its a better start then last time, connected everything up then 2 hours later found it kept disconnecting the wireless every so often and wouldn't reconnect till a reboot :P lets keep me figures crossed

Mick Fisher 23-08-2012 13:57

Re: Wrong Superhub adapter?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moowow! (Post 35466562)
its a better start then last time, connected everything up then 2 hours later found it kept disconnecting the wireless every so often and wouldn't reconnect till a reboot :P lets keep me figures crossed

:tu:


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