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nodrogd 03-08-2012 00:19

Sky Sports & Movies price increases
 
Virgin website now showing Movies & Sports priced at £32.75 a month.

Sky Sports on its own now £25.75 per month

HD supplement remains at £7

http://store.virginmedia.com/digital...ky-sports.html

devilincarnate 03-08-2012 01:18

Re: Sky Sports & Movies price increases
 
Been talked about on the "Coming soon thread"

paultrademark 03-08-2012 13:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35459258)
Been talked about on the "Coming soon thread"

And again, it's an important topic and should be deserving of it's own thread.

The Coming Soon thread is 90% drivel.

Thanks OP for pointing this out :)

Telly_ 03-08-2012 13:35

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Is the price only the wholesale increase from sky or have VM added a little extra on top? After the April rise that saw some customers bills increase by as much as £8 a month?


VM Customers should be asking....

Hugh 03-08-2012 14:00

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I thought you would have known the answer to that - or are you just stirring it for your employer?

denphone 03-08-2012 14:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459378)
Is the price only the wholesale increase from sky or have VM added a little extra on top? After the April rise that saw some customers bills increase by as much as £8 a month?


VM Customers should be asking....

No one l know has had nowhere near the mythical bill increase you have suddenly invented as most peoples bills went up £2 to £3 pounds at the very most.

alwaysabear 03-08-2012 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35459400)
No one l know has had nowhere near the mythical bill increase you have suddenly invented as most peoples bills went up £2 to £3 pounds at the very most.

Mine will have gone up £5.25 when the new charges kick in :( If we get extra HD channels rumoured to be in the autumn then may be it is acceptable, but coming soon is a big joke on here. We shall see.

richard1960 03-08-2012 17:41

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I have just cancelled sky sports collection that is i am afraid a jump too much.

If it is true the increase is such because of the unregulated F1 channel let us opt out of that as i do not really follow F1.

£3.25 a month is a very steep increase indeed.:shocked:

denphone 03-08-2012 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard1960 (Post 35459473)
I have just cancelled sky sports collection that is i am afraid a jump too much.

If it is true the increase is such because of the unregulated F1 channel let us opt out of that as i do not really follow F1.

£3.25 a month is a very steep increase indeed.:shocked:

Yes there is no doubt that despite some of Skys sports channels being regulated they are still abusing their position in putting up the price of their unregulated channels to get around this and that in my mind is simply unacceptable but whether Ofcom do something about this is another matter..

muppetman11 03-08-2012 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35459474)
Yes there is no doubt that despite some of Skys sports channels being regulated they are still abusing their position in putting up the price of their unregulated channels to get around this and that in my mind is simply unacceptable but whether Ofcom do something about this is another matter..

So why has it not increased by this amount on other platforms

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...8&postcount=11

richard1960 03-08-2012 17:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35459474)
Yes there is no doubt that despite some of Skys sports channels being regulated they are still abusing their position in putting up the price of their unregulated channels to get around this and that in my mind is simply unacceptable but whether Ofcom do something about this is another matter..

Yes i totally agree den,£309 a year for sky sports is a no no i do not watch much premiership or other football,but mostly the cricket which i shall now listen to on radio 5 live extra,and the highlights on channel 5 and in HD.!

If i remember correctly sky sports went up by £2 last time for VM customers and half that for sky customers.

Yes den it is unnaceptable i am out as the dragons might say.:D

denphone 03-08-2012 17:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459476)
So why has it not increased by this amount on other platforms

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...8&postcount=11

Perhaps because Virgin get Anytime sports content and Sky Sports interactive features that Smallworld does not get and one also suspects Sky itself is probably subsidising its own customers to a certain extent as well.

Telly_ 03-08-2012 18:01

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Sometimes it seems virgin are happy to constantly increase prices and let their customers blame Sky. Yet VM never mention any price they pay or how much an increase they have had on wholesale prices.

They just sit back and let their customers cry greedy sky greedy sky, an unfortunately the customers fall for it. VM have stuck a stealth tax on this increase aswell as Aprils increase and the autumn phone line increase probably In the pipeline.

passingbat 03-08-2012 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459481)
Sometimes it seems virgin are happy to constantly increase prices and let their customers blame Sky. Yet VM never mention any price they pay or how much an increase they have had on wholesale prices.

.

Do you know any retail company that does?

Dave42 04-08-2012 02:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459481)
Sometimes it seems virgin are happy to constantly increase prices and let their customers blame Sky. Yet VM never mention any price they pay or how much an increase they have had on wholesale prices.

They just sit back and let their customers cry greedy sky greedy sky, an unfortunately the customers fall for it. VM have stuck a stealth tax on this increase aswell as Aprils increase and the autumn phone line increase probably In the pipeline.

tell me which company been proved by ofcom on overcharging hmmmmmmmmmmmm oh yes it was SKY

Telly_ 04-08-2012 03:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35459667)
tell me which company been proved by ofcom on overcharging hmmmmmmmmmmmm oh yes it was SKY

I don't remember that , I do remember virginmedia were banned from advertising there broadband as best for gaming by the ASA. They found VM broadband was not good for gaming due to awful jitter and ping.

You will have to find me a link to the finding and proof that sky over charged.

Also......From June 2012

Two adverts from Virgin Media have been banned by the ASA, one was an advert on a sponsored search engine, and the second referred to advertising copy on the virginmedia.com website. In both cases the issue revolved around the speed doubling programme underway by Virgin Media.
British Sky Broadcasting challenged whether the claims:

1. "Cabled areas only" and "100Mb customers will see price-cut instead of speed doubling" in the small print in ad (a) was misleading and contradicted the main claim.

British Sky Broadcasting and two members of the public also challenged whether:

2. "I'm doubling everyone's broadband speeds" in ad (a) and "Richard Branson's doubling your broadband speed" in ad (b) were misleading, because exclusions applied.


Extract from complaint
While Virgin Media had consulted the copy advice people at CAP, who had advised that the phrase "I'm doubling everyone's broadband speeds" would be difficult to justify if the advert carried exclusions and the copy should have made it immediately obvious that the claims only applied to Virgin Media customers. It appears that this advice did not carry through to the final adverts.
The ASA upheld both of the concerns due to the exclusions, which were that existing 100 Mbps customers would see a small price cut, and Virgin Media National (ADSL/ADSL2+) customers would see no doubling at all.
The speed doubling is intended to take 18 months to complete, and confusingly for consumers, some see the downstream connection speed double, but the upstream speed does not. This is because the upstream speeds sometimes require further work due to the architecture of DOCSIS cable services.
As with many larger providers they rely heavily on claims from the Ofcom speed testing results, but the fact that this testing concentrates on the largest providers, and does not publish any results for areas like the Digital Region may result in consumers being less willing to sign up to new entrants to the market who may actually provide a better broadband experience. Is the maintenance of the existing duopoly an unintended consequence of Ofcom attempting to inform the speed debate?

kop32 04-08-2012 07:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35459480)
Perhaps because Virgin get Anytime sports content and Sky Sports interactive features that Smallworld does not get and one also suspects Sky itself is probably subsidising its own customers to a certain extent as well.

How dare they Den.....:D

Hugh 04-08-2012 09:35

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Telly, perhaps this may refresh your memory...

http://consumers.ofcom.org.uk/2010/0...its-in-pay-tv/

Quote:

Ofcom has concluded that Sky has market power in the wholesale provision of premium channels.

Ofcom has also concluded that Sky exploits this market power by restricting the distribution of its premium channels to rival pay TV providers. This prevents fair and effective competition, reduces consumer choice and holds back innovation and investment by Sky’s rivals.

Today’s decisions are therefore designed to ensure fair and effective competition which should lead to greater investment, innovation and choice for consumers.

BenMcr 04-08-2012 12:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459481)
Sometimes it seems virgin are happy to constantly increase prices and let their customers blame Sky.

Really?

http://www.t3.com/news/virgin-media-...channel-prices

Quote:

Virgin Media has confirmed it is to drastically cut the cost of Sky’s premium sports and movie services offering its subscribers an annual saving of up to £126

alwaysabear 04-08-2012 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35459710)

Not for XL customers there has not, only ever price rises for me.:(

Hugh 04-08-2012 13:47

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Well, I was an XL customer and I just saved over £11 per month moving to the Premiere Collection....

And the thread is about Sky Sport & Movies price increases. ;)

Sirius 04-08-2012 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35459389)
I thought you would have known the answer to that - or are you just stirring it for your employer?

What do you think ;)

What cracks me up is we all know he works for Sky but he does not have the balls to admit it himself. :LOL:

Leebee 04-08-2012 22:34

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Anyone know if the VIP collection price will be going up to?

BenMcr 04-08-2012 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Leebee (Post 35459839)
Anyone know if the VIP collection price will be going up to?

The new prices are online http://store.virginmedia.com/bundles/vip.html

£93.25 + £13.90

Chad 04-08-2012 23:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35459732)
What do you think ;)

What cracks me up is we all know he works for Sky but he does not have the balls to admit it himself. :LOL:

I thought blowing smoke up Sky's ass in this forum was his fulltime job

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...el-page-3.html

Post #36 tells you all you need to know about this guy and his motives.

Emel 05-08-2012 00:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35459870)
I thought blowing smoke up Sky's ass in this forum was his fulltime job

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...el-page-3.html

Post #36 tells you all you need to know about this guy and his motives.

All Telly is doing is annoying Virgin customers and making them less likely to ever join Sky!

Chad 05-08-2012 01:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Emel (Post 35459872)
All Telly is doing is annoying Virgin customers and making them less likely to ever join Sky!

Totally agree

Superblade7 05-08-2012 08:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35459840)
The new prices are online http://store.virginmedia.com/bundles/vip.html

£93.25 + £13.90

This is quite interesting as the gulf in prices has now doubled as the VIP now comes in at £107.15 (as per Ben's post) and Sky World with Phone, BB (ADSL) and a multiroom box will be £100.75 from 1st Sep.

Therefore that's approximately 6% higher with VM albeit getting faster fibre optic BB with VM but more channels & HD content with Sky. Previous to the price rise it would have been £103.90 for VIP which would have been 3% higher.

It really does make you wonder where VM's price rises come from as for Sky customers, Sky Sports Collection is going up by £1 (approx 5% increase) compared to VM customers going up by £3.25 (approx 14% increase).

So Sky customers will, at most, get a £2.50 increase this year whereas we've had an April increase, this Oct increase and no doubt a line rental increase later this autumn/winter meaning rises of £5+ for many VM customers.

Now I am only writing this as a comparison because it's interesting to compare. I am very happy with my VM services and have no real wish to switch to Sky although with the current economic climate, many customers on the VIP package who could make do with an average ADSL BB service may consider the switch to save £6.40 per month and get more channels & HD content.

My main thought in all this is that I believe that VM ought to consider moving to a model with one annual price rise and, if necessary, align this with Sky if they need to incorporate any fee increases in the Sky channels. This would make it much better and give greater clarity to customers as although the annual price rise maybe a little steep, it would not be the current (somewhat stealth method) of doing a larger increase in 3 smaller increments!!

Anyway, we may all be happy soon if Media Boy's reports of a number of new channel launches comes true as we may finally get some of the ones we've all been waiting for! :D

Superblade7

yorkshireborn 05-08-2012 08:52

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Virgin charge £25.75 sky sports pack

sky charge £21

virgin charge £32.75 sky sport / movie pack

sky charge £28

sky charge £10 for HD

virgin charge £7 for HD

then your VAT will be a tad more virgin

at the end of the day if you want it you'll pay it if you want it cheaper you'll move.

passingbat 05-08-2012 09:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35459894)
This is quite interesting as the gulf in prices has now doubled as the VIP now comes in at £107.15 (as per Ben's post) and Sky World with Phone, BB (ADSL) and a multiroom box will be £100.75 from 1st Sep.

Surely you should be comparing the prices with both having fibre BB? How much extra do Sky charge for that?

yorkshireborn 05-08-2012 10:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35459900)
Surely you should be comparing the prices with both having fibre BB? How much extra do Sky charge for that?

Sky fibre is £20 for 40meg download 10 meg upload unlimited

Chad 05-08-2012 11:47

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Can people unhappy with the price rise cancel their subscription to SKY Sports and SKY Movies just now or do they have to wait to be notified of the price increase from Virgin first?

muppetman11 05-08-2012 11:59

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@superblade7

Your Sky prices are wrong the prices on Sky's site are the new prices

Sky World £65.75
Sky Talk £12.25
Sky unlimited BB (ADSL) £7.50
1 Multiroom box £10.25

Totals £95.75 however to be fair that doesn't include ESPN.

Add 12.50 to that total if you wanted Sky fibre 40/10 service.

carlwaring 05-08-2012 12:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35459930)
Can people unhappy with the price rise cancel their subscription to SKY Sports and SKY Movies just now or do they have to wait to be notified of the price increase from Virgin first?

If you are not in contract and have had the channels for more than 30 days then yes, you can cancel at any time with no penalty. (Pun sort-of intended ;))

Chad 05-08-2012 12:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35459938)
If you are not in contract and have had the channels for more than 30 days then yes, you can cancel at any time with no penalty. (Pun sort-of intended ;))

Thanks Carl.

It'll be safe to assume then if anyone decides to cancel either SKY Sports, SKY Movies or both together there would be no problem with them also dropping SKY HD too?

Telly_ 05-08-2012 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35459900)
Surely you should be comparing the prices with both having fibre BB? How much extra do Sky charge for that?

It's hard to compare , as Sky has so much more TV content including much more HD , Sky has skygo with full access on 2 devices, the 40Mb broadband is unlimited with a 10Mb upload also unlimited.

Where as virgins 50mb only has a 5Mb upload and it has STM limits. You pay for what ya get as they say. But Sky is about to become even better so keep an eye out :)

---------- Post added at 11:31 ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35459943)
Thanks Carl.

It'll be safe to assume then if anyone decides to cancel either SKY Sports, SKY Movies or both together there would be no problem with them also dropping SKY HD too?

If you drop sports and movies on virgin there is no need for you to pay the HD charge for the few channels they have.

carlwaring 05-08-2012 12:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35459943)
It'll be safe to assume then if anyone decides to cancel either SKY Sports, SKY Movies or both together there would be no problem with them also dropping SKY HD too?

You mean the HD versions of Sports/Movies? Yes. I don't think you can get them without subscribing to the Packs anyway. Can you? :confused:

---------- Post added at 11:38 ---------- Previous post was at 11:35 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459946)
If you drop sports and movies on virgin there is no need for you to pay the HD charge for the few channels they have.

Of course, the reality is that not only are the majority of the major HD channels already available on VM they don't cost you any more than your normal monthly sub unlike Sky who will charge you £10 pm. Also, don't forget that more HD channels will be appearing in September; so there'll be even less disparity with Sky :)

Superblade7 05-08-2012 12:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459937)
@superblade7

Your Sky prices are wrong the prices on Sky's site are the new prices

Sky World £65.75
Sky Talk £12.25
Sky unlimited BB (ADSL) £7.50
1 Multiroom box £10.25

Totals £95.75 however to be fair that doesn't include ESPN.

Add 12.50 to that total if you wanted Sky fibre 40/10 service.

MM I included talk unlimited with Sky so it was broadly comparable (except fibre v ADSL). Like you say, taking Sky Fibre will be an extra £12.50 but I would imagine that many customers will make do with ADSL until the fibre is more widespread (and likely cheaper) and comes as standard as with VM.

I suppose if you wanted exactly the same as pointed out by some, Sky would be £5 dearer that VIP but with unlimited downloads and more tv content.

I'm not saying either is better, like I always say, it's personal choice about cost against services required. Just like to open up the discussion!

Hugh 05-08-2012 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35459946)
It's hard to compare , as Sky has so much more TV content including much more HD , Sky has skygo with full access on 2 devices, the 40Mb broadband is unlimited with a 10Mb upload also unlimited.

Where as virgins 50mb only has a 5Mb upload and it has STM limits. You pay for what ya get as they say. But Sky is about to become even better so keep an eye out :)

---------- Post added at 11:31 ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 ----------



If you drop sports and movies on virgin there is no need for you to pay the HD charge for the few channels they have.

First time I have ever heard 24 called 'few'.....;)

passingbat 05-08-2012 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459937)
@superblade7

Your Sky prices are wrong the prices on Sky's site are the new prices

Sky World £65.75
Sky Talk £12.25
Sky unlimited BB (ADSL) £7.50
1 Multiroom box £10.25

Totals £95.75 however to be fair that doesn't include ESPN.

Add 12.50 to that total if you wanted Sky fibre 40/10 service.

So if you include ESPN and Unlimited phone calls and fibre BB (they are included in VIP), what does that bring the total price to?

nicko 05-08-2012 13:05

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Sky world price doesn't include ESPN which is £9 extra, and also virgin loyalty discounts need to come in to the equation.

Sirius 05-08-2012 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35459954)
First time I have ever heard 24 called 'few'.....;)

You noticed that as well :)

muppetman11 05-08-2012 13:19

Re: Sky Sports & Movies price increases
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35459957)
So if you include ESPN and Unlimited phone calls and fibre BB (they are included in VIP), what does that bring the total price to?

Dearer than VM , the VIP is excellent value if you require all those services.

95.75 +
10.00 ESPN
12.50 Fibre Optic
118.25 total

Although after this season how many will pick ESPN with no EPL football.

It's also worth noting my price doesn't include unlimited calls and VM BB is faster like I say it's down to your requirements , personally I would never need half what VIP offers we're others will.

passingbat 05-08-2012 13:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459964)
Dearer than VM , the VIP is excellent value if you require all those services.

95.75 +
10.00 ESPN
12.50 Fibre Optic
118.25 total

Although after this season how many will pick ESPN with no EPL football.


Asking because I don't know, but does that include unlimited phone calls? Not sure what the Sky Talk at £12.50 that you included covers.

passingbat 05-08-2012 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459968)
Read my post edited it as you were posting.

Thanks MM, but I still don't understand why you haven't included the price of unlimited phone calls in the total as it is a side by side comparison.

I haven't looked recently, but it used to be £5, so that would make the total £123.25. That's a lot more than VM's VIP.

muppetman11 05-08-2012 14:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35459983)
Thanks MM, but I still don't understand why you haven't included the price of unlimited phone calls in the total as it is a side by side comparison.

I haven't looked recently, but it used to be £5, so that would make the total £123.25. That's a lot more than VM's VIP.

Indeed you are correct , one package that's cheaper for one won't be for another , I've always swapped and changed however wouldn't consider VM at the moment personally the TV side is just to underwhelming for me , I enjoy Sky Atlantic , Sky 3D all my sport in HD and an excellent selection of smaller/niche channels like I say personal preference , we have no need for fibre BB so maybe thats how Sky stacks up better for us.

richard1960 05-08-2012 14:39

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I like my VMTV there is enough channels for me,and with sky only able to offer 1mb broadband in my area i prefer to stick with VM for the moment.

But i was just having a think my Sky sports was £20.50 then last year there was a £2 price rise on that to £22.50 then this year a £3.25 rise to £25.75,i make that around 25% increase in just over a year:shocked:which in my mind is ridiculous,when sky are able to offer faster BB speeds in my area i just might consider them.

passingbat 05-08-2012 14:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459990)
Indeed you are correct , one package that's cheaper for one won't be for another , I've always swapped and changed however wouldn't consider VM at the moment personally the TV side is just to underwhelming for me , I enjoy Sky Atlantic , Sky 3D all my sport in HD and an excellent selection of smaller/niche channels like I say personal preference , we have no need for fibre BB so maybe thats how Sky stacks up better for us.

I completely agree with you, but someone started a top package comparison, so just responding to that.

To me the lack of Sky Atlantic on VM is a massive downside, and VM should try to resolve it. Personally, I think Now TV will be the best option to get Atlantic for VM users. I just hope that when they add the entertainment content, Atlantic is a separate option at a reasonable price. Although I want HD, it doesn't upset me too much if a channel is only in SD, especially considering that VM now have a lot of Free HD channels. ;)

It will be interesting when Sky add sports to now TV; can't wait to see how they pitch their pricing :)

Chad 05-08-2012 14:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35459990)
Indeed you are correct , one package that's cheaper for one won't be for another , I've always swapped and changed however wouldn't consider VM at the moment personally the TV side is just to underwhelming for me , I enjoy Sky Atlantic , Sky 3D all my sport in HD and an excellent selection of smaller/niche channels like I say personal preference , we have no need for fibre BB so maybe thats how Sky stacks up better for me.

As SKY continue to close the gap on catch up and on demand content Virgins 3 main unique selling points will be:

1) ESPN for free on XL
2) TiVo
3) Super fast broadband

ESPN is only a great selling point to sports fans who take XL. With BT launching their football channel who knows what the future of ESPN on Virgin will be.

TiVo has only been adopted by a 1/4 of Virgins customers so far and looks like the future for Virgin. SKY have the finances and resources to sit back just now and watch how the PVR's of Virgin and Youview take off. They can then at anytime throw their might and muscle behind launching their own answer to the "next generation" of PVR's. As we all know by now, SKY like to do things bigger and better.

Super fast broadband is overated. Most homes don't need more than a 20mb connection. I can't think of a time when I will legally max out my current 120mb connection meaning others in my house can't go online at the same time.

As a Virgin customer I'm happy with my current services but will be watching closely during the last 8 months of my current contract to see what their future plans are. Adding 8 or 10 HD channels just won't cut it. I'm looking for Virgin to offer:

1) A dedicated 3D channel of their own
2) All missing HD channels that are not owned by SKY
3) More on demand content
4) More catch up content
5) Live TV content on the move
6) 100 more TiVo apps
7) More innovation
8) Access to Premier Sports
9) Add as many missing SD channels as possible
10) Add SKY Atlantic in either SD, HD or both
11) Fix all bugs and other know problems with TiVo
12) Fix TiVo so it records 'recommended movies' automatically

passingbat 05-08-2012 15:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35459997)
As we all know by now, SKY like to do things bigger and better.

You say that, and I know what you mean. But I remember being frustrated at Sky having a PVR and Telewest not having one. But Telewest brought out a better one with a larger hard drive and three tuners. Now VM have Tivo, which trounces the Sky HD box.

VM had a lot of on demand content and catch up services a long time before Sky.

Sky are currently beating VM on the ipad app, but the suggestions are that the delay on the VM ipad app is to bring things like streaming to it. And VM should beat Sky to multi room streaming.

Chad 05-08-2012 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35459999)
You say that, and I know what you mean. But I remember being frustrated at Sky having a PVR and Telewest not having one. But Telewest brought out a better one with a larger hard drive and three tuners. Now VM have Tivo, which trounces the Sky HD box.

I agree 100% however I had a shot of the Youview box last week and was fairly impressed. It's not as good as TiVo but does offer many of the same key features. What I'm suggesting is if Youview are able to launch a PVR which is fairly similar to the one offered by Virgin, it shouldn't be too difficult for SKY to put together a PVR which gives Virgin and BT a run for their money.

passingbat 05-08-2012 15:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35460004)
however I had a shot of the Youview box last week and was fairly impressed. It's not as good as TiVo but does offer many of the same key features. .

I've seen a few posts on the DS forum and some aren't too impressed. Of the few complaints I can remember, there is no search feature for the linear channels and you can't add any padding to recordings (though I believe it has a dynamic EPG). You can't do any manual tuning and are limited to auto tune based on a postcode. The opinion seems to be that it's suitable for users who just want basic functionality, which was probably the aim. But I remember thinking how massively feature rich Tivo is in comparison.

Sky have the funds to devlop a new box; I suspect they're even doing it now. but the development cycle for youview and even the VM Tivo shows that it's not a piece of cake and There's not a lot of functionality that Tivo is missing anyway.

andy_m 05-08-2012 15:51

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TiVo is ten years plus in the making. Youview looks good but took years of delays to get it to market. Sky might be cash rich but it really isn't easy to develop this sort of product, and besides, I'm not convinced the majority of Sky customers would be bothered by it. After all, most people want connected services to access the sort of content already available on the basic Sky platform.

muppetman11 05-08-2012 16:03

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35460014)
TiVo is ten years plus in the making. Youview looks good but took years of delays to get it to market. Sky might be cash rich but it really isn't easy to develop this sort of product, and besides, I'm not convinced the majority of Sky customers would be bothered by it. After all, most people want connected services to access the sort of content already available on the basic Sky platform.

Trust me when I say there are many more advancements coming to Sky , both on the STB software and via mobile devices , with the change recently too the new EPG Sky have made a lot of changes to the back end meaning they can now update the software faster than before , features such as the new undelete , catchup TV , planner sharing. If the forums are anything to go by it would appear a lot of advanced functionality will be added over time to the iPad app , it will launch shortly with remote control functionality and Sky+HD subscribers will be able to access their planner on the second screen. I would suspect it will launch with this functionality and receive regular updates adding many more features.

RB2004 05-08-2012 16:08

I think the only solution, which I heard ofcom considering at one point, would be to split up bskyb into 2 companies, distribution and tv they said this would create a fairer competition environment as vm, bt, topuptv etc would have access to all the same channels as sky.. No exclusive sky only channels like Atlantic that give them a competitive advantage.. Especially when like me I have witnessed sky salesman going around selling sky to vm customers on the premise they have channels vm don't when the truth is the only reason vm don't have is because sky won't release them.

Also it would make pricing more competitive, as sky would have to buy the channels at the same rate as bt and vm and topuptv, so prices would become more competitive and reasonable.

richard1960 05-08-2012 16:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35460022)
I think the only solution, which I heard ofcom considering at one point, would be to split up bskyb into 2 companies, distribution and tv they said this would create a fairer competition environment as vm, bt, topuptv etc would have access to all the same channels as sky.. No exclusive sky only channels like Atlantic that give them a competitive advantage.. Especially when like me I have witnessed sky salesman going around selling sky to vm customers on the premise they have channels vm don't when the truth is the only reason vm don't have is because sky won't release them.

Also it would make pricing more competitive, as sky would have to buy the channels at the same rate as bt and vm and topuptv, so prices would become more competitive and reasonable.

I am afraid OFCOM missed that boat when they did their mammouth almost three year pay tv review a while back.

The above makes absolute sense to me.:)

Sirius 05-08-2012 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RB2004 (Post 35460022)
I think the only solution, which I heard ofcom considering at one point, would be to split up bskyb into 2 companies, distribution and tv they said this would create a fairer competition environment as vm, bt, topuptv etc would have access to all the same channels as sky.. No exclusive sky only channels like Atlantic that give them a competitive advantage.. Especially when like me I have witnessed sky salesman going around selling sky to vm customers on the premise they have channels vm don't when the truth is the only reason vm don't have is because sky won't release them.

Also it would make pricing more competitive, as sky would have to buy the channels at the same rate as bt and vm and topuptv, so prices would become more competitive and reasonable.

Gets my vote

muppetman11 05-08-2012 16:20

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Over time won't the platform become irrelevant anyway , more and more users are wanting access to content on a plethora of connected devices hence why the likes of Netflix , Lovefilm instant and Now TV have cropped up.

denphone 05-08-2012 16:32

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35460024)
Gets my vote

Seconded.

Telly_ 05-08-2012 16:59

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Also prevent VM withholding access to it cable network, that gets my vote as i once saw a VM salesmen selling VM On the premise sky can't have access to its cable network.


But if Sky does get split expect VM to go out of business, sky will sell its services at rock bottom prices, VM are an always will be stuck with the huge cost of maintaining a cable network. Satalite distribution per home is a fraction of the cost of cable.

VM really do not want a price war ;)

Chad 05-08-2012 17:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460042)
i once saw a VM salesmen selling VM On the premise sky can't have access to its cable network.

I once saw a SKY salesman selling crack

Sirius 05-08-2012 17:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460042)
Also prevent VM withholding access to it cable network, that gets my vote as i once saw a VM salesmen selling VM On the premise sky can't have access to its cable network.


But if Sky does get split expect VM to go out of business, sky will sell its services at rock bottom prices, VM are an always will be stuck with the huge cost of maintaining a cable network. Satalite distribution per home is a fraction of the cost of cable.

VM really do not want a price war ;)

You do talk a load of tosh dont you. So come on what do you do at Sky ?

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35460056)
I once saw a SKY salesman selling crack

:LOL:

denphone 05-08-2012 17:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460042)
Also prevent VM withholding access to it cable network, that gets my vote as i once saw a VM salesmen selling VM On the premise sky can't have access to its cable network.


But if Sky does get split expect VM to go out of business, sky will sell its services at rock bottom prices, VM are an always will be stuck with the huge cost of maintaining a cable network. Satalite distribution per home is a fraction of the cost of cable.

VM really do not want a price war ;)

Oh dear its sounds like Ad nauseam again.

Sirius 05-08-2012 17:59

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35460061)
Oh dear its sounds like Ad nauseam again.

He reminds me of another poster who posted about Sky, i cannot quiet remember the name thankfully;)

devilincarnate 05-08-2012 18:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35460056)
I once saw a SKY salesman selling crack

We can tell which place you go to:p::D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35460062)
He reminds me of another poster who posted about Sky, i cannot quiet remember the name thankfully;)

Dont talk about Muppetman like that:D:D:D:D

Hugh 05-08-2012 18:59

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Back on topic, please.

carlwaring 05-08-2012 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35460030)
Seconded.

Thirded.

RB2004 05-08-2012 20:06

Thing is sky don't need access to vm cable network, their distribution platform is over satellite, so cable wouldn't feature in that.. And sky are also selling bt FTTC which we have also established suffers from lower jitter, and has a higher upload than vm currently offer. Only unmatched part at the moment is download speed.

muppetman11 05-08-2012 20:15

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As I've said the platform will become a moot point , in the next year or two all Sky's content will be available on a multitude of devices to all and in HD , a Now TV Sky Movie sub costs £15.00 a month which is £1.00 cheaper than on the Sky platform itself with entertainment and sport to follow. Now TV is only in early launch stages currently Sky have already stated it will go HD with bookmarking across devices with many more devices added.

Chad 05-08-2012 20:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35460104)
As I've said the platform will become a moot point , in the next year or two all Sky's content will be available on a multitude of devices to all and in HD , a Now TV Sky Movie sub costs £15.00 a month which is £1.00 cheaper than on the Sky platform itself with entertainment and sport to follow. Now TV is only in early launch stages currently Sky have already stated it will go HD with bookmarking across devices with many more devices added.

It's a smart move by SKY. Here is an interesting announcement:

http://corporate.sky.com/media/press...f_sky_channels

So Now TV will be available to Talk Talk customers. Previous announcements also confirm Now TV will be available via BT Vision and Smart enabled TV's. I'm amazed that competitors of SKY are embracing NOW TV on their platform.

The big question now is will SKY Now also launch on Virgin as a TiVo app? It's cheaper to take SKY Now than it is to actually subscribe to SKY Movies on Virgin. Will Virgin be interested in SKY Now? I don't see this being to their advantage. You'd have Virgin customers paying to watch SKY movies directly to SKY on the Virgin platform. Surely Virgin wouldn't be happy with this.

As a Virgin customer, would you want access to SKY Now on your TiVo box? Would you be happy paying less than you currently do for SKY Movies?

Oh as an after thought this announcement seems to finally confirm 100% that SKY are indeed with holding SKY Atlantic from their competition.

BenMcr 05-08-2012 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35460110)
You'd have Virgin customers paying to watch SKY movies directly to SKY on the Virgin platform. Surely Virgin wouldn't be happy with this.

That is pretty much how it is anyway. As far as I understand it, Virgin make no (or very little) money on the Sky Premium channels

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Quote:

As a Virgin customer, would you want access to SKY Now on your TiVo box? Would you be happy paying less than you currently do for SKY Movies?
I'd expect for most people the issue will be video quality, and access to the Premieres.

The latest films on NOW TV are PPV on top of the £15, whereas they'll be included in the Sky Movies subscription

muppetman11 05-08-2012 21:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35460112)
The latest films on NOW TV are PPV on top of the £15, whereas they'll be included in the Sky Movies subscription

That's not true the latest films (PPV) are the Sky Store/SkyBox Office Movies the Sky Movies pass includes the latest Sky Movie premieres just as on Sky/VM.

BenMcr 05-08-2012 21:44

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35460139)
That's not true the latest films (PPV) are the Sky Store/SkyBox Office Movies the Sky Movies pass includes the latest Sky Movie premieres just as on Sky/VM.

Fair enough - I misunderstood the reviews then

passingbat 05-08-2012 21:44

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The only role I can see for Now TV on VM is the Sky Atlantic part. Wheather Sky would be prepared to hive that off as a separate app is very questionable.

Chad 05-08-2012 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35460143)
The only role I can see for Now TV on VM is the Sky Atlantic part. Wheather Sky would be prepared to hive that off as a separate app is very questionable.

As we've seen before, SKY will withhold content until such time it's to their benefit to release it. SKY's motivation isn't always money either.

Virgin sell SKY VMTV and hey presto SKY linear channels in HD plus SKY Anytime. Talk Talk make Now TV available and hey presto they finally get access to almost all of SKY's linear SD channels plus SKY Movies and SKY Sports.

So will it be hey presto to SKY Atlantic if Virgin allow Now TV to launch on TiVo?

Telly_ 05-08-2012 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35460147)
As we've seen before, SKY will withhold content until such time it's to their benefit to release it. SKY's motivation isn't always money either.

Virgin sell SKY VMTV and hey presto SKY linear channels in HD plus SKY Anytime. Talk Talk make Now TV available and hey presto they finally get access to almost all of SKY's linear SD channels plus SKY Movies and SKY Sports.

So will it be hey presto to SKY Atlantic if Virgin allow Now TV to launch on TiVo?



Why do VM Withhold access to its broadband network?

BenMcr 05-08-2012 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460168)
Why do VM Withhold access to its broadband network?

Because there is no current commercial agreement to open it to another company. They've previously opened it up to AOL but it wasn't successful

denphone 05-08-2012 22:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460168)
Why do VM Withhold access to its broadband network?

Oh dear the needle has got stuck on the record again.

Sirius 05-08-2012 22:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35460171)
Oh dear the needle has got stuck on the record again.

You do know what type of poster you are dealing with don't you ;)

Telly_ 05-08-2012 23:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35460171)
Oh dear the needle has got stuck on the record again.



I agree, will you ever stop moaning about VM not having all Sky channels or is the needle well and truy stuck?

But just so it's clear,

Virginmedia want access to BT's network to resell ADSL they want all of Sky's tv channels including HD. But they want to with hold access to its cable network from all company's?

Do VM resell sky products? YES

Do VM resell BT Produdts? YES

Do either company resell VM products? No as VM withhold them unfairly.

Hugh 05-08-2012 23:38

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Do you work for Sky (or an affiliated company) - yes or no?

carlwaring 05-08-2012 23:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460176)
Virginmedia want access to BT's network to resell ADSL

Just like every other UK ADSL provider then.

Quote:

...they want all of Sky's tv channels including HD.
At a fair price, yes.

Quote:

But they want to with hold access to its cable network from all company's?
Yes, because it's their network; bought and paid-for mostly through private enterprise. At least, I think that's right. Happy to be corrected on that. Was there any "public" money involved?

Quote:

Do VM resell sky products? YES
Do VM resell BT Produdts? YES
And?

Quote:

Do either company resell VM products? No as VM withhold them unfairly.
Well Sky did buy some TV channels of VM a while ago ;)

Telly_ 05-08-2012 23:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35460185)
Do you work for Sky (or an affiliated company) - yes or no?

Wow, I post here as I'm interested in the topics covered, everything I post is just my opinion. I only post to represent my own personal opinion all views are my own.

I just like talking about tv/bb/phone providers.

Dave42 05-08-2012 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460191)
Wow, I post here as I'm interested in the topics covered, everything I post is just my opinion. I only post to represent my own personal opinion all views are my own.

I just like talking about tv/bb/phone providers.

what a surprise never answer NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Sirius 06-08-2012 00:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460191)
Wow, I post here as I'm interested in the topics covered, everything I post is just my opinion. I only post to represent my own personal opinion all views are my own.

I just like talking about tv/bb/phone providers.

Another post with no substance but plenty of hot air

LondonRoad 06-08-2012 00:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Telly_ (Post 35460191)
Wow, I post here as I'm interested in the topics covered, everything I post is just my opinion. I only post to represent my own personal opinion all views are my own.

I just like talking about tv/bb/phone providers.

You do seem to only post on topics that provide you with the opportunity to deliver pro-Sky propaganda.

Are you Rupert's love child? ;)

Even Rupert's legitimate children have a wider range of interests than promoting Sky while slating their competition. :)

BenMcr 06-08-2012 22:29

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Interesting post from the owner of Smallworld http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=60

Quote:

Hi

In fairness we sell Sky Sports below what it costs us in order to deliver fantastic value to our customers. The wholesale prices have increased twice this year, when you take into account the addition of F1.

I can understand why VM have put the price up so much...the input costs have risen a lot as well.

David Durnford
Owner, Smallworld Cable

muppetman11 06-08-2012 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35460514)
Interesting post from the owner of Smallworld http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=60

The Competition Appeal Tribunal will rule tomorrow , so watch this space.

devilincarnate 06-08-2012 22:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35460521)
The Competition Appeal Tribunal will rule tomorrow , so watch this space.

Wrong day MM:)

muppetman11 06-08-2012 22:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35460525)
Wrong day MM:)

Indeed I'm thinking its Tuesday today :dunce: , the ruling is Wednesday isn't it :)

devilincarnate 06-08-2012 22:43

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35460526)
Indeed I'm thinking its Tuesday today :dunce: , the ruling is Wednesday isn't it :)

Yes it is at 4.30pm.

carlwaring 06-08-2012 23:11

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Pretty sure it's Wednesday long before then ;):p::D


(Oh come on! Not bad for gone 10pm!)

devilincarnate 06-08-2012 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by carlwaring (Post 35460537)
Pretty sure it's Wednesday long before then ;):p::D


(Oh come on! Not bad for gone 10pm!)

Not bad it may be when they all put in their redactions?


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