News: VM Possible Future 200mbps or Higher
 

;) Good News if is true: ;)

:omg:
Don't know if will be as part of the normal packages or a premium service / just for the ones that just want it!!! :sniper:

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php...e-200mbps-broa...

It makes me think may be 2 services
A "light" up to 200mbps and a "Plus" up to 400mbps.....????

Some good comments are in the same link

WILL YOU WANT IT???
If the upload is more than 30 beating FTTP's it seems will be unbeatable package :clap:
PS:
I have post the same at VM forums

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My bet is that they'll start selling it as soon as they've brought the network up to the level where it can reliably deliver 100Mbps...

Would I want it - yes. Would I pay a premium price for it - no - at least not until I see some pressing need for those speeds.

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my favourite line from that article:

" It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that VM’s SuperHub has had problems since its launch."

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They've realised their upstream is 5 years behind their downstream so know for a fact they can't deliver 400Mbits at a 10:1 ratio

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well they must have a plan when fttp comes out next year
This must be on demand and maybe a special instillation need ... like fttp takes place but my guess seems this service is not for everyone (fttp is not really for everyone)

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I was told on the phone when upgrading to 100meg that Virgin expected to be offering 200meg by June next year. No idea how true that is as different people tell you different things at Virgin i've found.

I would prefer better upload speeds to be honest, 100 down 50 up would be great, that will not happen for a long time i'm sure.

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That would be great but if they cant even keep their 10:1 ratio currently then there is not much hope for 2:1

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The year 2525 !!! by the time it reaches here. Double speed is coming August 2013 at the moment :(

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It would certainly be nice for VM to offer a higher upstream though I am aware of the limitations and difficulties with upstream on cable broadband.

if VM, however, offered a 25/25 or 50/50 service I would soon pay for that over a 60/6 service for sure, even if it cost more.

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maybe when 200mbit is launched 60mbit will work at full speed ;)

neighbour on 100mbit gets 30-40mbit, so upgrades to support 200mbit may make achievable speed 60-70mbit?

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Unfortunately, I think Virgin, Sky and BT have got themselves into a ****ing contests with speeds, and it's just turning into constant one-upmanship. Unfortunately, I don't think it's for the customer's benefit. They could all do with stopping for a while and sorting out some of the basics first, like the core network, and the upload speed. But, there's no perceived benefit of that to the average customer.

I've often found average home users don't even notice an intermittent connection, let alone a connection that doesn't quite deliver the advertised speeds. As long as they can get to the stuff they want, and it basically works (i.e. iPlayer doesn't stutter, Youtube works, Facebook loads, etc), then they are happy.

It's power users who get their new connection, then run off to speedtest.net and check the speed, or check their ping, or whatever. Measurable metrics which will show up a problem instantly, but aren't immediately obvious. I've noticed horribly slow connections, but it still 'works' so there's no issue to the user.

Virgin can play a numbers game all they like, but they need the back-end infrastructure to support it, and I worry they might be putting the cart before the horses here.

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Ever the optimist :)

My area had an amazing transformation from pure grot to pretty good right around the time BT started to put the finishing touches on FTTC in most areas of the town. I don't know if it was deserters or VM network upgrades that tipped the balance - maybe both. Perhaps the same will happen in your area.

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Selfish i know but i'm fine with that seeing as my town has always seemed to get the max speed no matter the package :p:

It would have to be more than 20mpbs upstream for any future packages to make me consider upgrading and paying more tbh. I'm already thinking of switching to FTTx when it hits my area in December just because of the possibilities for the future.

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How much speed do you need though, really? There is a point when it becomes like clearing a motorway and allowing you to have it all to your self, if extra lanes were then added you wouldn't benefit from it.

Unless you actually see times when you're constrained by your 100Mb? If that's the case your 100Mb is substandard.

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It could well do, VM have extremely high takeup here due to the ADSL shambles.

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I have just been told by a friend in the USA that he has just registered for a comcast cable trial of 300Mb down, 65Mb up!

Now, it would appear comcast has been throwing a lot of weight into their network recently, and even with their further constricted bandwidth on normal docsis versus EU docsis that we use here they are still able to give quite large upload speeds. it strikes me as a little off that VM's upload is currently so dire and even with the recent and coming upgrades it is still unlikely to even get anywhere near what comcast is able to offer in the US, there's just no way VM would offer these kinds of upload speeds even with two bonded upstream channels which is what it seems we will be getting if what I have seen is correct.

Maybe there is more to VM's network upgrades and upstream bonding that has gone untold and they are planning something else within the next two years alongside a 200 and maybe 400Mb rollout.

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As of March this year Comcast had a little over 18m subscribers so it is of no surprise that they can invest in their network.

I think Virgin have about 4m.

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That also means that they have to deal with more people and a larger area.

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from what I can see these are the key differences I have visibly seen as reported by comcast itself and its users.

1 - comcast has a fixed usage limit, although now its more flexible http://www.techspot.com/news/48643-c...-soft-cap.html
2 - users have reported triple US bonding with some channels also utilising QAM64 instead of QAM16.

Also curious of the customer density per node on comcast vs VM.

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It's interesting that Comcast are using QAM64 upstream channels now, I wonder if this is what VM will do with the US bonding/new US channels added. I don't see why they wouldn't unless this adds a huge cost. I understand VM is smaller and has less money to throw at these things with their debt burden it just seems to me VM needs to get competitive in the upsteam area as best they can because other ISP's are starting to far surpass them.

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Well the thing with upload speeds is most of the population even know about them, then of the ones who do lots dont care/understand what it is. This could ofcourse change with marketing and one thing which surprises me is that the bt and other isp's using fttc havent really made a push to highlight their superior upload speeds.

So in the mean time virgin would rather throw money at download speeds which grabs headlines and is easier to market. For example look at the marketing/press coverage of the double speed upgrade and that of the upload upgrade.

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Yep, you're right. It's all about customer density, and VM's customers are often pretty dense. :)~

By that, of course, I mean the UK is very densly populated which should give VM a proportionate advantage over Comcast when it comes to beefing up the infrastructure.

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One channel can only serve 18mbit, and that is shared amongst hundreds of customers, i think that explains why they wont be offering anything substantial in the upload department. Congestion, and the cost to relieve that congestion isn't what they want to invest in unless it becomes so saturated it grinds their network to a halt.

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Two to begin with but all the equipment (once it's working) will be capable of at least 4.

4x27Mb (which is what Comcast will be using, with smaller node sizes too) is a pretty decent sized chunk, 4x18Mb (on VM in the near-future) giving 72Mb vs the current 18Mb will allow a huge amount more leeway.