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Russ 19-06-2012 11:28
VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
http://www.cable.co.uk/news/virgin-m...ver-801387612/

Interesting if it turns out to be true.

denphone 19-06-2012 11:29
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443566)
http://www.cable.co.uk/news/virgin-m...ver-801387612/

Interesting if it turns out to be true.
l just cannot see it happening Russ.

Russ 19-06-2012 11:37
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Why not?

denphone 19-06-2012 11:41
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443583)
Why not?
Because we have heard this all before if l rightly remember and like before it was based on groundless speculation with no true facts to back it up.

Russ 19-06-2012 11:44
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Have you read the article? VM is now in a healthy financial position and EE are looking to expand their acquisitions. I see this as perfect expansion for them.

denphone 19-06-2012 11:47
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443586)
Have you read the article? VM is now in a healthy financial position and EE are looking to expand their acquisitions. I see this as perfect expansion for them.
While l respect your opinion Russ l would be very surprised if anything came of this but then again l am more wrong in most matters then l am right.:)

Stuart 19-06-2012 12:37
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
If my limited experience with Orange's customer service is anything to go by (and several friends have had similar experience), this forum will get a a lot busier as VM's customer service is a model of help and efficiency compared to that of Orange.

Maggy 19-06-2012 13:34
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35443612)
If my limited experience with Orange's customer service is anything to go by (and several friends have had similar experience), this forum will get a a lot busier as VM's customer service is a model of help and efficiency compared to that of Orange.
:tu:

v0id 19-06-2012 14:41
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35443583)
Why not?
Because the Competition Commission may put a stop to it perhaps?

Telly_ 19-06-2012 14:53
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
This could definately happen.

KKR who own Boots is in the process of selling boots for around £14billion in total in a deal that may take 5 years to complete. KKR are also looking to take over EverythingEverywhere.

Unfortunately breaking up part of boots an 1000's of job loses all happened under KKR. They a private equity investment group, they won't want to own EE or VM for much more than 3-5 years. Also if this goes a head don't be surprised to see VM open up their network to others. All they will want to do is strip down/cut cost/ sell for profit.

You may even end with something like perhaps, "VM Networks" or "UK Cable" managing the network and reselling it to other companys. An "VM digital" or something similar selling the normal things VM do now one of them will be lumbered with all the debt,

m419 19-06-2012 17:58
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35443688)
This could definately happen.

KKR who own Boots is in the process of selling boots for around £14billion in total in a deal that may take 5 years to complete. KKR are also looking to take over EverythingEverywhere.

Unfortunately breaking up part of boots an 1000's of job loses all happened under KKR. They a private equity investment group, they won't want to own EE or VM for much more than 3-5 years. Also if this goes a head don't be surprised to see VM open up their network to others. All they will want to do is strip down/cut cost/ sell for profit.

You may even end with something like perhaps, "VM Networks" or "UK Cable" managing the network and reselling it to other companys. An "VM digital" or something similar selling the normal things VM do now one of them will be lumbered with all the debt,
Opening the network doesn't work very well neither does communal TV, over subscribing will be the cause and Virgin Media will undercut rival firms badly as Ofcom will not be able to regulate pricing on non-BT companies. NTL have already tried something with AOL and it was a disaster. They previously had communal TV in southampton and other areas, that too created problems.

Virgin Media's network in Westminster,Milton Keynes and barbican is owned by BT Global and is unregulated by Ofcom and is leased by Virgin Media, they were able to roll out Broadband in Westminster, however this network sharing is also a disaster and BT will not upgrade the network leaving many homes unable to get Digital TV, there is limited options in Milton keynes. Westminster and Barbican now remain unused, waste of cable!

Telly_ 19-06-2012 18:39
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by m419 (Post 35443795)
Opening the network doesn't work very well neither does communal TV, over subscribing will be the cause and Virgin Media will undercut rival firms badly as Ofcom will not be able to regulate pricing on non-BT companies. NTL have already tried something with AOL and it was a disaster. They previously had communal TV in southampton and other areas, that too created problems.

Virgin Media's network in Westminster,Milton Keynes and barbican is owned by BT Global and is unregulated by Ofcom and is leased by Virgin Media, they were able to roll out Broadband in Westminster, however this network sharing is also a disaster and BT will not upgrade the network leaving many homes unable to get Digital TV, there is limited options in Milton keynes. Westminster and Barbican now remain unused, waste of cable!
So?

KKR Would still buy VM trim VM down and sell VM. BT open their network and it works fine, Ok BT's fibre network is superior but still it works perfectly well for all.

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Kymmy 19-06-2012 19:27
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Last post edited..

If there's any more rubbish as what I've just read in the edits posted in this thread (yes the team can read them) then infractions are going to be issued.

You're adults so please behave that way as they'll be no more warnings

m419 19-06-2012 20:20
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
[QUOTE=Telly Bear;35443804]So?

KKR Would still buy VM trim VM down and sell VM. BT open their network and it works fine, Ok BT's fibre network is superior but still it works perfectly well for all.

Virgin Media would sell it at an unreasonable price so there would be no benefit to either the consumer or the rival company. Its been proven it doesn't work. What's wrong with BT's network?

And then when technology needs upgrading like the BT and Virgin situation in Milton keynes, the same will happen again, ofcom won't be able to touch them.

Telly_ 19-06-2012 20:27
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by m419 (Post 35443865)



Virgin Media would sell it at an unreasonable price so there would be no benefit to either the consumer or the rival company. Its been proven it doesn't work. What's wrong with BT's network?

And then when technology needs upgrading like the BT and Virgin situation in Milton keynes, the same will happen again, ofcom won't be able to touch them.
What? who the hell mentioned OFCOM? Do you even understand the topic of the current discussion in this thread? Were talking about a NEW owner perhaps bringing in new idea's to monetise the cable network. So the new owner would WANT to open the network...Honestly your replies never seem to take into account the context of the thread you're replying to

m419 19-06-2012 20:45
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Yes the do, and i'm telling you it has been tried and tested and doesn't work, the new owners would want to keep it closed for there own use, the only reason they want it is for the infrastructure to meet the increasing demand on mobile internet use and 4G, currently they pay BT and other fixed networks for this, with there own, they cut a lot of costs

Telly_ 19-06-2012 20:48
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by m419 (Post 35443881)
Yes the do, and i'm telling you it has been tried and tested and doesn't work, the new owners would want to keep it closed for there own use, the only reason they want it is for the infrastructure to meet the increasing demand on mobile internet use and 4G, currently they pay BT and other fixed networks for this, with there own, they cut a lot of costs
Which the same reason the Sky network will be such a success as it will connect to Sky's 100Gb's nationwide fibre backbone.

qasdfdsaq 19-06-2012 21:35
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Herp derp.

Pierre 20-06-2012 15:14
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Utter ballcocks and it wont happen.

I'll show my ariase as the foot of my stairs.

So these private equity firms have upwards of £12bn? to throw about?

In that case why didn't they bid for C&W which they could have picked up for a snip at £1bn leaving loads of cash left to buy EE.

I don't see what value adding EE network to VM and vice versa wouldadd to the new company.

Virgin Mobile already uses the EE network, and EE already use VM to backhaul their traffic.

I also love the quote:

Quote:
Reports have also surfaced indicating that the group is considering a move for Virgin Media in a bid to create an entertainment and telecoms firm capable of rivalling BT and Sky.
They already do.......don't they?

just a load of tosh, written by somebody with a wonderful imagination

Russ 20-06-2012 15:22
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444129)

They already do.......don't they?
Not on the scale this proposed merger would create. Ask anyone who the top (in size/popularity) 2 companies are in the UK that supply multi-channel entertainment and I think people will say Sky and VM.

Pierre 20-06-2012 16:16
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35444133)
Not on the scale this proposed merger would create. Ask anyone who the top (in size/popularity) 2 companies are in the UK that supply multi-channel entertainment and I think people will say Sky and VM.
How would adding the EE mobile network to VM's fixed line network increase VM's ability to increase subscriber market share against Sky?

Russ 20-06-2012 16:20
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
By increasing what they can offer in their "all-in-one" packages. VM's mobile handsets have never been known for being the most up-to-date. Having a company that can offer the biggest network coverage, the best handsets, arguably one of the best tv packages, a high-speed internet network and a fixed line system - that makes them a powerhouse of a telco.

Chris 20-06-2012 18:04
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
I think the Sunday Times (where this story seems to have originated) may have put 2 and 2 together and got 5.

Apax and KKR are backing an attempt to buy EE (which is in itself by no means guaranteed to come off) and they are believed to have been sniffing around VM as well. But there is nothing to connect the two together.

Pierre 20-06-2012 18:35
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35444145)
By increasing what they can offer in their "all-in-one" packages. VM's mobile handsets have never been known for being the most up-to-date. Having a company that can offer the biggest network coverage, the best handsets, arguably one of the best tv packages, a high-speed internet network and a fixed line system - that makes them a powerhouse of a telco.
That one hell of a deal just to get an Iphone on Virgin....................................

As that is all you're offering there above what VM can already deliver.

Quote:
I think the Sunday Times (where this story seems to have originated) may have put 2 and 2 together and got 5.

Apax and KKR are backing an attempt to buy EE (which is in itself by no means guaranteed to come off) and they are believed to have been sniffing around VM as well. But there is nothing to connect the two together.
Indeed, like I say, Journo dreamland.

Russ 20-06-2012 19:28
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444183)
That one hell of a deal just to get an Iphone on Virgin....................................
Well it wouldn't be on Virgin would it? EE could then offer a quality tv and home internet package.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444183)
Indeed, like I say, Journo dreamland.
We'll see.

Pierre 20-06-2012 19:51
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35444218)
Well it wouldn't be on Virgin would it? EE could then offer a quality tv and home internet package.
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You think they'd ditch the Virgin Brand in favour of EE..............................?

Nah, I think that's the end of this conversation.

Russ 20-06-2012 20:03
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444231)
You think they'd ditch the Virgin Brand in favour of EE..............................?
If a buy-out was looking likely I can't see it being that much of a stumbling block that they couldn't overcome.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444231)
Nah, I think that's the end of this conversation.
Think whatever you like!

davidthornton 22-06-2012 14:14
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35444231)
You think they'd ditch the Virgin Brand in favour of EE..............................?

Nah, I think that's the end of this conversation.
"Everything Everywhere" isn't really a brand, more a corporate entity (which needed a name) that operates the two major brands called Orange UK and T-Mobile UK. I wouldn't expect to see "Everything Everywhere" filter down to b2b or b2c use. Virgin Media could continue to operate as is.

Risco 22-06-2012 15:24
Re: VM targeted by Everything Everywhere?
 
I could understand bidding for VM if the football was still up for grabs, as they could have put in a big enough bid to beat Sky. This would have been a massive selling point for them. As it stands, VM still have debt but iirc it has been bonded and due to mature with interest in something like 10 years. So I doubt they would want to buy a company with that hanging over them.


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