Fixed Penalty Notice motoring fines may rise to £90
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18438724

I see so many idiots on the road these days that £90 seems a trivial ammount, but I think it's about time for penalties to be set according to income or it hits the poorest hardest (as usual).

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I agree with you on this Taf. It seems that many people don't care about the fines as they stand at the moment, because it is like small change to them.

Maybe it should be worked out as a percentage of their income.

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Sorry, is the crime anymore serious if committed by somebody well paid?

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Some areas of the country do that already......

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It's not but £90 to you or me is likely to have a bigger impact than on a top-4 team Premiership footballer.

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The fine is supposed to be a punishment that acts as a deterrent. £90 to one person may be a huge punisment, that they will struggle to pay. But for others it won't put them off doing it again, as it is like small change for them.

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Nothing would bother a top 4 premiership player.....

No this, as usual, would hit the hard working middleclass most, and joyriding toe rags off the estate least.

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I'd say it would hit the rich the least

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I hope they will also fine the middle lane owners club members

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Then fixed penalties should be abolished and make the fines be based on what the judge see's as best fits your pay packet, That means then that the unemployed get away with nothing to pay as they dont earn :rolleyes:

A fine is a fine and just because you work does not mean you should be hit harder than someone who does not work. ?

Looks like some think they are

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If the unemployed got away with paying nothing, then it wouldn't be a deterrent. There has to be a minimum fine.

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Wouldn't means-testing for fines cost more than it would raise?

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Fixed penalties are exactly that a set amount. Harsh for some, and relaxed for others. As far as I know you don't have to accept a fixed penalty and can ask to be heard at court. But you then risk a higher penalty as FPNS should simplify stuff. The court is also likely to apply a sliding scale based on actual means to pay.

FPNS have gradually been used to save costs of paperwork in prosecution. Fair enough, but they only offer a little discretion. They should only be used for straightforward matters where they are an equivalent to a slap on the wrist. I'm not sure careless driving can fall into that?

That same article also suggests a FPN for lack of insurance. That one is a difficult call. I know your car can now be towed and potentially scrapped as an added deterrent. Realistically though the punishment needs to be in addition to the amount of the insurance premium the person has evaded paying, otherwise some who drive around in bangers will see the risk of getting caught as cheaper than doing it properly.

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So here's a hypothetical question which crime is more serious ?

John speeds on the motorway and is fined for doing 80 miles an hour he earns £20000 a year and is fined £70.00

Bill speeds on the motorway and is fined for doing 80 miles an hour he earns £30000 a year and is fined £130.00

Meanwhile Eric who feels working is for mug's speeds at 80mph in a car he borrowed from his m8 what would his fine be when caught

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scrap the penalty charge completely and make it community service instead aas long as it was the same amount of days what ever your income then i would say the punishment would be proportionate for all


but i bet this is more about getting more tax in than educating drivers ( not that i am at all cynical ;) )

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:clap:

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Now there is a good idea

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Not true, one may earn well & therefore lose say £1000/day while another might be unemployed and lose nothing but his time.......

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£90 + 3 points for the speeding. £200 + 6 points for the no insurance as he'll probably be uninsured then £125 for plod taking the uninsured motor away. ;)

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:LOL:

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both are loosing time as to their earnings again it would be in proportion to their ability to earn and where as some on the dole may well end up paying nothing with some sort of sliding scale it would mean they had to do something

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Wonga that's how we roll here:D

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The crime isn't anymore serious its the punishment that is, whose it going to hit hardest some one earning ninety pounds an hour or someone earning ninety pounds a week, imo a one size fits all fine system isn't appropriate.

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Penalty points alone should be more than enough to stop most drivers from speeding offences.

It might be a good idea that when an offender reaches half of the maximum penalty points, he is banned from driving altogether for 2 weeks or a month, unless it's part of his job, then in that case they get a larger fine and a warning that if they're caught speeding again, then they will lose their license for the same period.

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although i feel alot of fines are only there to generate income i think points alone misses the real point of having a penalty which should be to learn to drive better

i think that community service preferably involving helping those hurt by bad driving maybe with driver education classes would be far better

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There is another issue.

I have been driving for 24 years and the other day I was driving home stressed, (mum was ill, I had to get to the shops, get some food & medicine) I passed a speed camera on a 40mph strech of road I looked down and I was doing under 45mph, I din't see a flash but it was daytime.

So I may be inline for a fixed penalty, or hopefully the camera wasn't working or was was within the limit for the camera.

So for 1 minor messup in 24 years I face a possibly 3 points which is unfair IMHO, those who constantly speed should be targeted, not those who slip up once.

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And if some have there way they will want to know how much you earn because the more you earn means the more severe the crime :rolleyes:

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I can see your point. However a court would probably say that if you weren't concentrating due to strell, then you were unfit to drive.

On a brighter note, you are unlikely to get a ticket for 45mph in a 40 limit.