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HDFootyMan 12-06-2012 18:57
ESPN may lose EPL Football(Update)
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...?newsfeed=true

Looks like al-Jazeera have put in a serious bid to force a 2nd round of bidding - the results will be released tomorrow or Thursday.

No one knows yet if al-Jazeera have targeted Sky's games, or ESPN's. What is known is al-Jazeera have the money to blow both of their rivals out of the water if they wished:
Quote:
"The sense is there is a new bidder out there with a potentially serious offer and everyone thinks it is al-Jazeera, although no one can be 100%," said one industry source. "The question is how many packages they are targeting, meaning Sky or ESPN."
If ESPN lost their single package than that would be big blow for VM's XL pack and for ESPN - could they still charge money for a non-EPL sports channel?

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Way Hey! 1300 posts not out!

Raises bat, milks applause. :p:

Telly_ 12-06-2012 19:11
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
I've been reading a lot about this but its hard to get fact from fiction,some are saying ESPN may have to pay so much for EPL they will have to drop the current deal with VM.

Others are saying they are tied into the VM deal for while, then some are saying AJ have not actually put in a bid, On digitalspy there is a user called MT11 I think is the name but he seems to have a lot of insider info, go look him up. What is a fact is Sky currently pay around £500 million for there rights.

They could afford to double it but they would need to add around £4 a month per SkySports subscriber. AJ have money but not to throw at EPL as Sky have a current 7million subscribers plus 1 million from VM/BT ect. AJ do not have this so I doubt they would offer much more than Sky.

HDFootyMan 12-06-2012 19:18
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440382)
I've been reading a lot about this but its hard to get fact from fiction,some are saying ESPN may have to pay so much for EPL they will have to drop the current deal with VM.

Others are saying they are tied into the VM deal for while, then some are saying AJ have not actually put in a bid, On digitalspy there is a user called MT11 I think is the name but he seems to have a lot of insider info, go look him up.
Been reading his posts. :)

If AJ did win then VM would have to have 'talks' with them (hopefully there would be more progress there then VM have made with AJ News). Ditto ESPN if they won more than 1 package.

No sane reason why ESPN would drop the deal with VM, they'll need all the viewers they can get, especially if they decided to carry on in the UK without EPL (and become a basic channel like EuroSport).

AJ are backed by the State of Qatar. Suffice to say that money isn't a issue for them, it depends how much they want a foothold in the UK market. They've already done it in France and the US, where they look like taking on the Fox Soccer Channels.

thenry 12-06-2012 19:26
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
HD?

could we see Al-Jazeera and ITV partner up as they are now leaving ESPN to somewhat partner Sky?

Telly_ 12-06-2012 19:36
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
I'm get peed off with all the "I hope Sky lose the epl" or "I hope ESPN lose the EPL"

I just wan to know who has the EPL, how much is it and where do I pay lol.I couldn't careless even if Setanta win all packs.:D:D I just want to know where I can watch it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440385)
Been reading his posts. :)

If AJ did win then VM would have to have 'talks' with them (hopefully there would be more progress there then VM have made with AJ News). Ditto ESPN if they won more than 1 package.

No sane reason why ESPN would drop the deal with VM, they'll need all the viewers they can get, especially if they decided to carry on in the UK without EPL (and become a basic channel like EuroSport).

AJ are backed by the State of Qatar. Suffice to say that money isn't a issue for them, it depends how much they want a foothold in the UK market. They've already done it in France and the US, where they look like taking on the Fox Soccer Channels.
I know who owns AJ but if you're talking about paying 700,800 million even a billion £'s for EPL I can't see it. Because then you need to set up studios, get presenters, Sky will pull all there cameras etc. You are also setting a up a situation where in the following seasons auctions Sky/ESPN will come back with even higher bids.

No matter who your backers are you still need to make money.

HDFootyMan 12-06-2012 19:37
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
I'll PMSL if the mysterious bidder was......VM! :shocked:

"You thought we weren't interested in content didn't you??!? MUHAHAHAHA! Get ready for Virgin Sports HD, baby!" :D:D:D

Oh well, a cable customer can dream. ;)

thenry 12-06-2012 19:38
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
I just read on digispy (cheers tellybear) that Al Jazeera in France costs next to nothing compared to Sky over here. Would their rights in France carry on here so we get live matches of Ligue 1?

I really hope theirs a revamp here. Skys coverage in all probably is next to none but dictatorship isn't appealing. Bring in Al Jazeera to mix it up, keep everyone on their tippy toes.

For once I bet VM have their feet up just watching on ;)

HDFootyMan 12-06-2012 19:39
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440391)
I know who owns AJ but if you're talking about paying 700,800 million even a billion £'s for EPL I can't see it. Because then you need to set up studios, get presenters, Sky will pull all there cameras etc.
They wouldn't have to set up studios, they use ITVs now for their EPL coverage which is shown in the Middle East. They already have the presenters and the studios.

Likewise, most of ESPN's early setup was done by Sky.

thenry 12-06-2012 19:39
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440394)
I'll PMSL if the mysterious bidder was......VM! :shocked:

"You thought we weren't interested in content didn't you??!? MUHAHAHAHA! Get ready for Virgin Sports HD, baby!" :D:D:D

Oh well, a cable customer can dream. ;)
:LOL: I think you'll find it'll be called Virgin Media SuperSports ;)

Telly_ 12-06-2012 19:53
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Infact doing more reading it appears BskyB and AJ are partners in some middle east countries and have a close relationship, Maybe ESPN will be the loser here.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440394)
I'll PMSL if the mysterious bidder was......VM! :shocked:

"You thought we weren't interested in content didn't you??!? MUHAHAHAHA! Get ready for Virgin Sports HD, baby!" :D:D:D

Oh well, a cable customer can dream. ;)
More likely they will put in a bid for £7.50 and moan the EPL were with holding content and demanding restrictive fee's for access to the football pmsl:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

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Do Virignmedia carry and AJ channels? I know Sky do????

HDFootyMan 12-06-2012 19:56
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440399)
More likely they will put in a bid for £7.50 and moan the EPL were with holding content and demanding restrictive fee's for access to the football pmsl:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:
:D:D

If they did do a deal with AJ Sports, VM would have to get AJ News then, surely? Even as a 'bonus' channel! VM's News channel lineup isn't great.

There is a package of 12 games......if not VM then perhaps ITV could make a cheeky bid?

Media Boy UK 12-06-2012 20:05
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440378)
If ESPN lost their single package than that would be big blow for VM's XL pack and for ESPN - could they still charge money for a non-EPL sports channel?
I think Virgin Media only sign ESPN up to the XL Package for 4 years when Setanta Sports UK dies in 2009 so if I am right ESPN is up in the summer of 2013 just at the time when the EPL Football deals are up.

Gavin-D 12-06-2012 20:13
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
If al-Jazeera have submitted a bid then Sky will be getting worried now with al-Jazeera not short of cash they will be able to make a bid higher than Sky with no problem.

If al-Jazeera do win some games than I wouldn't be suprised to see Gary Lineker as the lead presenter.

Telly_ 12-06-2012 20:20
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440395)
I just read on digispy (cheers tellybear) that Al Jazeera in France costs next to nothing compared to Sky over here. Would their rights in France carry on here so we get live matches of Ligue 1?

I really hope theirs a revamp here. Skys coverage in all probably is next to none but dictatorship isn't appealing. Bring in Al Jazeera to mix it up, keep everyone on their tippy toes.

For once I bet VM have their feet up just watching on ;)
Who ever wins the rights us as customers really need not worry, Sky and VM will ensure they carry a EPL in some form from 2013 so its a none issue from that point of view.

But what is an issue if just who many place will we have to buy or football from? AJ/ESPN/SKY?? Its only going to end up costing us more..:mad:.

I know a lot around here hate Sky but without it we would be paying more for less believe it or not. If Skylose the rights to EPL they also save £500 million+ for other things, then make AJ pay to be on the EPG.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35440409)
If al-Jazeera have submitted a bid then Sky will be getting worried now with al-Jazeera not short of cash they will be able to make a bid higher than Sky with no problem.

If al-Jazeera do win some games than I wouldn't be suprised to see Gary Lineker as the lead presenter.
Well Lineker is already employed by AJ for their football, I just hope if they do win they aren't expensive as I won't be canceling Sky sports as I would lose too many other sports. I do love watching football but my pocket has a limit and its currently at that limit.

denphone 12-06-2012 20:26
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440412)
I know a lot around here hate Sky but without it we would be paying more for less believe it or not. If Skylose the rights to EPL they also save £500 million+ for other things, then make AJ pay to be on the EPG
Utter tosh again as most of us have never been Sky haters and frankly yours arguments are becoming very Ad nauseam and full of hyperbole.:(

Telly_ 12-06-2012 20:29
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440418)
Utter tosh again as most of us have never been Sky haters and frankly yours arguments are becoming very Ad nauseam and full of hyperbole.:(
Why do all of your posts towards me contain a personal attack?
[Mod Edit - inappropriate comment removed - it is against Site T&Cs to discuss reps in the public forum..]
I did PM you asking you to refrain from personal insults and to ignore anything I said you didn't agree with. I also tried to explain I don't mean to offend you but we have different points of view.

EDIT-

[Mod Edit - inappropriate comment removed - it is against Site T&Cs to discuss reps in the public forum..]

MaverickJesus 12-06-2012 20:46
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Would make sense for Al-Jazeera just to straight out buy up ESPN UK, given ESPN seem to want to scale down non US operations. Already have the channels set up, with some reasonable rights - just rebrand and off you go.

Telly_ 12-06-2012 20:48
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35440428)
Would make sense for Al-Jazeera just to straight out buy up ESPN UK, given ESPN seem to want to scale down non US operations. Already have the channels set up, with some reasonable rights - just rebrand and off you go.
ESPN is owned by Disney so might cost quite a lot, and as I believe Apple is Disneys biggest share holder I just don't see that happening.

thenry 12-06-2012 20:51
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
ESPN want to retain and expand. den posted this a while back > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...premier-league

Chad 12-06-2012 21:35
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
A little off topic however with Rangers being forced into liquidation, and possibly having to start from Divison 3 in Scotland next season, it's strongly rumoured that the SPL's deal with SKY will be ripped up. ESPN already commented that their deal would remain however it has been suggested an urgent review will be conducted in the next 14 days. It'll be interesting to see how many Rangers fans cancel their subscriptions to SKY / ESPN if Rangers do drop out of the league. It'll also be interesting to see how many SPL fans up in Scotland will keep their package if SKY and ESPN drop Scottish football.

Interesting times ahead in the next 2 to 3 weeks for football fans indeed.

Rillington 12-06-2012 23:10
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35440428)
Would make sense for Al-Jazeera just to straight out buy up ESPN UK, given ESPN seem to want to scale down non US operations. Already have the channels set up, with some reasonable rights - just rebrand and off you go.
Maybe, and I think if ESPN is unsuccessful in winning any rights to the EPL I think they may well pull out of the UK.

Risco 13-06-2012 00:12
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Seriously, there is no way in hell Sky will let their crown jewels go. They would break the bank to keep the rights as they know the subscribers would follow even if it cost £4 a month more.

With regards ESPN as stated they want to expand. I cannot see them relenting on the rights to the EPL, and again they have plenty of money to fight.

Al-Jazeera clearly have the money, the question is do they have the desire. There is a lot more to presenting football than spending a shed load of rights. I would only be for them if it meant lower costs, which is not going to happen. As much as I hate to say it, Sky do a splendid job of presenting the EPL and can't see anyone else doing it better.

Emel 13-06-2012 00:15
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35440449)
A little off topic however with Rangers being forced into liquidation, and possibly having to start from Divison 3 in Scotland next season, it's strongly rumoured that the SPL's deal with SKY will be ripped up. ESPN already commented that their deal would remain however it has been suggested an urgent review will be conducted in the next 14 days. It'll be interesting to see how many Rangers fans cancel their subscriptions to SKY / ESPN if Rangers do drop out of the league. It'll also be interesting to see how many SPL fans up in Scotland will keep their package if SKY and ESPN drop Scottish football.

Interesting times ahead in the next 2 to 3 weeks for football fans indeed.
Livingston had to start again from Division 3, even though they avoided liquidation, so for consistency the same should happen to Rangers who face liquidation.

I would miss Rangers v Celtic games. Is there a way out of this, perhaps a reorganistion of Scottish football with Rangers invited to the top flight?

gerdav 13-06-2012 14:52
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
We will find out at 5pm today the Premier League have announced a press conference to announce the new tv rights.

alwaysabear 13-06-2012 15:14
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Without Rangers the SPL is pretty much finished as a competition IMO.

Telly_ 13-06-2012 15:19
ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
As the deal that put ESPN into the XLtv pack runs out in 2013 what will VM do if they can't negotiate a new deal?

Would you still be happy to pay the current fee for XL or would you expect a reduction in the current fee? Maybe of £5 per month?

If ESPN stays in the XL pack there will definitely be a large £3+ increase in the monthly from April 2013 if they ESPN have won some EPL packages today I would expect. An as we know Virginmedia are not afraid of package increase hitting £5-£6 a month.

sebastion 13-06-2012 15:32
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Knowing Virgin, they will remove ESPN from the XL pack and still put the prices up.

denphone 13-06-2012 15:43
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastion (Post 35440713)
Knowing Virgin, they will remove ESPN from the XL pack and still put the prices up.
Highly unlikely.

colin25 13-06-2012 16:45
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35440449)
A little off topic however with Rangers being forced into liquidation, and possibly having to start from Divison 3 in Scotland next season, it's strongly rumoured that the SPL's deal with SKY will be ripped up. ESPN already commented that their deal would remain however it has been suggested an urgent review will be conducted in the next 14 days. It'll be interesting to see how many Rangers fans cancel their subscriptions to SKY / ESPN if Rangers do drop out of the league. It'll also be interesting to see how many SPL fans up in Scotland will keep their package if SKY and ESPN drop Scottish football.

Interesting times ahead in the next 2 to 3 weeks for football fans indeed.
I have sky to watch english premiership...i suspect most others are the same

I have never paid sky purely for scottish football...and wouldn't

thenry 13-06-2012 16:55
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Sky share prices down

Quote:
mlt11

Sky shares spike down in post close wrap-up.

Down 2p (were up 9p at close time of 4.30pm).

That does look highly suspicious!


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Quote:
Owen Gibson ‏@owen_g
David Kogan, the Premier League's longstanding rights negotiation guru, has just arrived. Big smile but lips sealed.
https://twitter.com/owen_g/status/212934918634876928


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VirginMedia SuperSports :LOL:

DaMac 13-06-2012 16:57
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
If Virgin did set up a sports channel, i bet Sky customers would still get it in HD 12 months before us.

denphone 13-06-2012 16:58
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35440785)
If Virgin did set up a sports channel, i bet Sky customers would still get it in HD 12 months before us.
Oh the pessimism.:D

colin25 13-06-2012 17:00
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440787)
Oh the pessimism.:D
maybe he is pessi..mystic

thenry 13-06-2012 17:04
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
mlt11

Reminder of packages:

Package A: 26 at Sat 12.45pm
- 13 1st picks
- 13 4th picks

Package B: 16-18 at Sat 5.30pm; 6-7 at Sun 12pm or 1.30pm/2.05pm; 2-3 Bank hols
- 22 3rd picks
- 4 5th picks

Package C: 26 at Sun 1.30pm/2.05pm
- 13 2nd picks
- 13 3rd picks

Package D: 26 at Sun 4pm/4.10pm
- 20 1st picks
- 6 4th picks

Package E: 18-22 at Mon 8pm; 4-8 at Sun 4pm/4.10pm or Sat 12.45pm
- 12 2nd picks
- 10 4th picks
- 4 5th picks

Package F: 12 at Sat 5.30pm
- 8 2nd picks
- 4 4th picks

Package G: 10 Midweek and Bank hols; 2 at Sat 12.45pm
- 5 1st picks
- 5 2nd picks
- 2 5th picks

Club Quotas (in alphabetical package order):
Maximum: 5, 5, 5, 5, 4, 2, 2 (Total = 28)
Minimum: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0 (Total = 5)

Pick totals:
- 38 1st picks
- 38 2nd picks
- 35 3rd picks
- 33 4th picks
- 10 5th picks

denphone 13-06-2012 17:07
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Sky secure 5 packages from Aug 2013.

Telly_ 13-06-2012 17:07
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
WOW BT Got 2 packages lol, didnt see that coming bad news for VM?

thenry 13-06-2012 17:08
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
BT?

denphone 13-06-2012 17:09
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440798)
WOW BT Got 2 packages lol, didnt see that coming bad news for VM?
And how do you not know that BT and Virgin might do a deal.

colin25 13-06-2012 17:09
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440799)
BT?
BT = British telecom :D

Two packages..amazing

It gives me no reason to have ESPN after this season

Telly_ 13-06-2012 17:10
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440801)
And how do you not know that BT and Virgin might do a deal.
BT and virgin hate each other lol.

thenry 13-06-2012 17:11
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
where, how will they broadcast ? new channel? this is going to sting. where the hell was Al Jazeera?

denphone 13-06-2012 17:12
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440803)
BT and virgin hate each other lol.
Just because they don't like each other still does'nt rule out the chance that they can still do a deal.

Telly_ 13-06-2012 17:13
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
BT Vision as it stand right now is the only place you can definately see all EPL games from 2013-2016.There will be a deal BT will need to resell there 2 packs.

Total revenue raised £3billion so expect your skysports sub to rise. Possibility of ESPN leaving UK. I can see Sky and BT offering each other good deals possibly BT getting Sky sports 3/4hd

colin25 13-06-2012 17:13
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Will BT do a deal with sky...?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440804)
where, how will they broadcast ? new channel? this is going to sting. where the hell was Al Jazeera?
I think someone made a mistake...one of the BT execs was singing "just call meee Al"...cunning plan :D

denphone 13-06-2012 17:14
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440804)
where, how will they broadcast ? new channel? this is going to sting. where the hell was Al Jazeera?
Its the end of ESPN in my mind as there is no way Sky customers are going to pay £9 a month now.

thenry 13-06-2012 17:17
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Will VM now get all SkySports in HD?

Will BT launch a new channel? ARGH!!!!!!!!! Al Jazeera why couldn't you bid and blow the lot out the window then charge customers peanuts!!!

colin25 13-06-2012 17:18
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440812)
Will VM now get all SkySports in HD?

Will BT launch a new channel? ARGH!!!!!!!!! Al Jazeera why couldn't you bid and blow the lot out the window then charge customers peanuts!!!
lol..i support the peanuts idea..though seems hopeful

denphone 13-06-2012 17:19
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440812)
Will VM now get all SkySports in HD?

Will BT launch a new channel? ARGH!!!!!!!!! Al Jazeera why couldn't you bid and blow the lot out the window then charge customers peanuts!!!
1/ Hopefully

2/ Likely to be a Prem plus type channel one suspects.

Emel 13-06-2012 17:20
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Can't see how BT can make money on this without being on Virgin and Sky. Wonder how they will market their rights?

denphone 13-06-2012 17:21
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emel (Post 35440815)
Can't see how BT can make money on this without being on Virgin and Sky. Wonder how they will market their rights?
The next few months are going to be very interesting.

Emel 13-06-2012 17:24
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Hopefully from 2013 Virgin will be paying ESPN peanuts and will be able to spend the money elsewhere!

thenry 13-06-2012 17:26
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emel (Post 35440815)
Can't see how BT can make money on this without being on Virgin and Sky. Wonder how they will market their rights?
Sky might have to offer both BT and VM full SkySports in HD to recover monies? upping prices in the process.

Emel 13-06-2012 17:31
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
The Premier League will make 3.018 Billion which is 71% up on last time. Gosh that is some going, who is going to end up paying?

colin25 13-06-2012 17:39
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Must admit...on face of it..it could be hard for Virgin tv

denphone 13-06-2012 17:40
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35440837)
Must admit...on face of it..it could be hard for Virgin tv
And why's that Colin as many things can happen in the forthcoming months.:)

richard1960 13-06-2012 17:41
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emel (Post 35440831)
The Premier League will make 3.018 Billion which is 71% up on last time. Gosh that is some going, who is going to end up paying?
One Guess er !!!!!!!!!! The customers surprsingly enough.:(:erm:

colin25 13-06-2012 17:44
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440841)
And why's that Colin as many things can happen in the forthcoming months.:)
Yes, but BT want to increase their customer base...and they compete with Virgin on broadband...so one guess would be they will use that to entice more customers for broadband and tv

HDFootyMan 13-06-2012 17:46
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Great news for BT's TV business. Add their network build (quite capable of showing live TV channels) and that's a HUGE win for them.

Will they broadcast in HD? Can VM do a deal with BT? What happens now with ESPN? XL pack looking weaker now. And where the hell was AJ?

freakgirl 13-06-2012 17:52
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Not to happy about this, ESPN was probably one of the main reasons a lot of XL customers got XL, just as I was looking forward to watching the games on the new tivo in my bedroom as well. So what will ESPN do, will they try and get rights to show Championship games and what will virgin do to try and persuade customers to stay on the xl package

colin25 13-06-2012 17:53
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
ESPN could still buy scottish football...:D

Emel 13-06-2012 17:53
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Apparently BT will launch a new football-focused channel to carry the games.

It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT's fibre network and BT will look to distribute it on other platforms.

richard1960 13-06-2012 17:54
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440850)
Great news for BT's TV business. Add their network build (quite capable of showing live TV channels) and that's a HUGE win for them.

Will they broadcast in HD? Can VM do a deal with BT? What happens now with ESPN? XL pack looking weaker now. And where the hell was AJ?
Al Jazeera theatened to bid last time around but never did ! probably Richard Scudamore talking the price up sounds like he was successful.

As for ESPN they will either stay part of the TVXL package until the contract runs out and or VM might just ty to get inclusive deal with BT all speculation really,just like the non appearance of the Al Jazeeera bid like last time.;)

freakgirl 13-06-2012 17:55
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Agreed, Virgin will need to pull something out of the back, I think Spotify premium for the price of Spotify Unlimited for XL customers, also with Tivo etc is one thing, ESPN will so have FA Cup games but less people will subscribe to xl unless there is a real tempter

Telly_ 13-06-2012 17:57
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
This is all round bad news for Virginmedia, They pay a lot for Skysports and BT will want a lot for their channelas they have paid A LOT of money for the 2 packs.

Why give Virginmedia a cheap deal? BT is also a platform owner like SKY where premierplus and ESPN were just content. So BT will use this as a pull to get customers onto BT-Vision.

No incentive to give Virginmedia a cheap deal as they're a competing platform. An that is a very important point to keep in mind.

nodrogd 13-06-2012 17:58
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35440846)
Yes, but BT want to increase their customer base...and they compete with Virgin on broadband...so one guess would be they will use that to entice more customers for broadband and tv
And what makes you think they will copy Sky's tactics with TV channels. Having the channel on as many platforms as possible is more revenue for BT. Sky never see it that way as their subscribers outnumber everybody elses, so they can get away with it.

colin25 13-06-2012 17:59
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
This is BT...they invented difficult, and love monopoly (not the game) :D

Telly_ 13-06-2012 18:00
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
As I said in the other thread, BT are also a platform not just a content provider. This is different to the ESPN thing as it was in ESPN's interest to get on Virginmedia they didn't have their own platform. BT does and this will be its pull.

colin25 13-06-2012 18:02
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440873)
As I said in the other thread, BT are also a platform not just a content provider. This is different to the ESPN thing as it was in ESPN's interest to get on Virginmedia they didn't have their own platform. BT does and this will be its pull.
I said that on this thread too...but willing to share credits :D

thenry 13-06-2012 18:04
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
what happens to Setanta Ireland?

HDFootyMan 13-06-2012 18:06
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
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Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35440866)
This is all round bad news for Virginmedia, They pay a lot for Skysports and BT will want a lot for their channelas they have paid A LOT of money for the 2 packs.

Why give Virginmedia a cheap deal? BT is also a platform owner like SKY where premierplus and ESPN were just content. So BT will use this as a pull to get customers onto BT-Vision.

No incentive to give Virginmedia a cheap deal as they're a competing platform. An that is a very important point to keep in mind.
Excellent point. ESPN weren't a platform and it was in their interests to make that XL deal with VM.

Once BT's rollout is complete and their linear TV service is up and running, I'm sure BT customers will get the football cheaper than VM customers. I'm going to enjoy 'free' football on XL while I can.

And I'm sure BT will remember how Sky reduced their profit margin on SS1 and SS2 by raising the retail price of those channels, within hours of BT announcing deals for those channels. Love to be a fly on the wall within the room for those BT-Sky talks.

braysoj1 13-06-2012 18:17
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
i just hope it come 2 vm

denphone 13-06-2012 18:18
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
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Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 35440888)
i just hope it come 2 vm
Of that there is no doubt.

Telly_ 13-06-2012 18:26
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by braysoj1 (Post 35440888)
i just hope it come 2 vm

I would imagine it 100% will be on Sky and VM.

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Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440880)
Excellent point. ESPN weren't a platform and it was in their interests to make that XL deal with VM.

Once BT's rollout is complete and their linear TV service is up and running, I'm sure BT customers will get the football cheaper than VM customers. I'm going to enjoy 'free' football on XL while I can.

And I'm sure BT will remember how Sky reduced their profit margin on SS1 and SS2 by raising the retail price of those channels, within hours of BT announcing deals for those channels. Love to be a fly on the wall within the room for those BT-Sky talks.
You never know that might of been the day BT executives decided no matter what they were going to stick it to Sky when the rights came up again. I get the feeling BT aggressively went in to 3 or 4 packs.

HDFootyMan 13-06-2012 18:28
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440890)
Of that there is no doubt.
Yeah, but for how much? I think people hoping for a ESPN/XL pack-style will be disappointed.

Call me a cheap bugger but I don't really want to pay any more ££££ for EPL footy. That's what made the ESPN/XL deal so good for VM and its XL customers. BT have no reason to do that kind of deal with VM.

Oh, we'll get it. Probably for an extra £5 per month or something.

thenry 13-06-2012 18:29
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35440877)
what happens to Setanta Ireland?
^ anyone ^ :confused:

denphone 13-06-2012 18:31
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440899)
Yeah, but for how much? I think people hoping for a ESPN/XL pack-style will be disappointed.
Well HD we shall see what the wind blows in as things have a habit of turning out much more differently then we imagine.:)

Superblade7 13-06-2012 18:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440880)
Excellent point. ESPN weren't a platform and it was in their interests to make that XL deal with VM.

Once BT's rollout is complete and their linear TV service is up and running, I'm sure BT customers will get the football cheaper than VM customers. I'm going to enjoy 'free' football on XL while I can.

And I'm sure BT will remember how Sky reduced their profit margin on SS1 and SS2 by raising the retail price of those channels, within hours of BT announcing deals for those channels. Love to be a fly on the wall within the room for those BT-Sky talks.
You can guarantee the BT Sports channel will be available on as many platforms as possible as they will have paid a significant sum to obtain these two packs and will need to recoup their costs through subscriptions and advertising so will need it as widely available as they can. If they don't then their TV arm could easily do a Setanta and sink due to them paying out more than they are receiving.

It would also probably be worth BT agreeing a similar deal with VM as ESPN currently have as this would ensure that it will be available in many more homes with the XL TV package than it would ever get as a standalone on VM.

Emel 13-06-2012 18:39
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It seems ESPN made a strong bid, they intend to continue to broadcast their other sports after 2013.

Will Virgin want them in the XL pack then, any more than they want Premier Sport. Either way Virgin will not be spending much on ESPN so should be able to spend more on other XL pack content be that BT football or something else.

HDFootyMan 13-06-2012 18:56
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Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35440908)
You can guarantee the BT Sports channel will be available on as many platforms as possible as they will have paid a significant sum to obtain these two packs and will need to recoup their costs through subscriptions and advertising so will need it as widely available as they can. If they don't then their TV arm could easily do a Setanta and sink due to them paying out more than they are receiving.

It would also probably be worth BT agreeing a similar deal with VM as ESPN currently have as this would ensure that it will be available in many more homes with the XL TV package than it would ever get as a standalone on VM.
But surely BT would make more money converting those VM customers to BT customers? ESPN had no such concerns. EPL footy is a great draw for Pay-TV customers (just ask Sky).

I can see triple-play bundles from BT with cheaper EPL Football (and faster fibre-optic broadband) as a key component.

chris9991 13-06-2012 19:08
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
I can imagine that this could be BT's Sky Atlantic. Oh well I could do with watching less football on the telly

freakgirl 13-06-2012 19:16
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
From BBC website

"BT said it would launch a new football-focused channel to carry the games."

"It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT's fibre network and we will look to distribute it on other platforms," the telecoms firm said.

Gavin-D 13-06-2012 19:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freakgirl (Post 35440856)
Not to happy about this, ESPN was probably one of the main reasons a lot of XL customers got XL, just as I was looking forward to watching the games on the new tivo in my bedroom as well.

So what will ESPN do, will they try and get rights to show Championship games and what will virgin do to try and persuade customers to stay on the xl package
ESPN can't bid for the Championship games as there tied down to Sky to at least 2015, Champions League is also tied down to 2015, I think the end is in sight for ESPN as all the UK football is tied down only leaves la liga but that won't get many subscriptions there again Sky are likely to extend the contract

colin25 13-06-2012 19:21
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Espn will have italian football..and scottish football

Excited? :D

Maggy 13-06-2012 19:22
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18430036

Quote:
"It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT's fibre network and we will look to distribute it on other platforms," the telecoms firm said.

OLD BOY 13-06-2012 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freakgirl (Post 35440948)
From BBC website

"BT said it would launch a new football-focused channel to carry the games."

"It will offer new interactive features when supplied over BT's fibre network and we will look to distribute it on other platforms," the telecoms firm said.
Yes, that's what I thought would happen. I can't see BT playing Sky's game of monopoly.

We'll get it in HD too, you'll see. (That's my prediction, no source at this stage).

colin25 13-06-2012 19:26
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Should we change title of thread :D

colin25 13-06-2012 19:27
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Suspect there will be a price...curious to see what it will be

OLD BOY 13-06-2012 19:27
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris9991 (Post 35440941)
I can imagine that this could be BT's Sky Atlantic. Oh well I could do with watching less football on the telly
It's BT, not Sky - stop worrying!

denphone 13-06-2012 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35440957)
Yes, that's what I thought would happen. I can't see BT playing Sky's game of monopoly.

We'll get it in HD too, you'll see. (That's my prediction, no source at this stage).
And OB your prediction is likely to be spot on.

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35440959)
Should we change title of thread :D
Well Colin thats another great idea from the Colin's world of idea's.:D;)

denphone 13-06-2012 19:29
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35440961)
Suspect there will be a price...curious to see what it will be
A rich man like you should have no problem paying for it.;)

OLD BOY 13-06-2012 19:33
Re: ESPN in XL tv pack post 2012?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35440961)
Suspect there will be a price...curious to see what it will be
Well the extra cost for the football contracts has got to come from somewhere! It will be interesting to see whether VM enters into similar arrangements as it did for ESPN. This would be a very popular move (for Virgin Media subscribers).

alwaysabear 13-06-2012 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35440960)
And OB your prediction is likely to be spot on.

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Well Colin thats another great idea from the Colin's world of idea's.:D;)
It will be interesting to see how VM deal with this situation. Will they be able to do a deal with BT? One thing is absolutely certain football fans will be paying a lot more to watch.:( I can even see fans saying enough is enough.Interesting times ahead.

Maggy 13-06-2012 19:39
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football(Update)
 
Duplicate subject threads merged.

muppetman11 13-06-2012 19:42
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35440972)
It will be interesting to see how VM deal with this situation. Will they be able to do a deal with BT? One thing is absolutely certain football fans will be paying a lot more to watch.:( I can even see fans saying enough is enough.Interesting times ahead.
VM and Sky will have access to BT's matches however terms will be more favourable on BT Vision in my opinion , they've stumped up big money so surely they'll hope to increase their subscriber base , I wouldn't be shocked if the games are available PPV on Sky/VM/Freeview unless BT plan to snap up more content to warrant a 24/7 sports channel.

colin25 13-06-2012 19:42
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football(Update)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35440975)
Duplicate subject threads merged.
Thank god..it was getting confusing :D

alwaysabear 13-06-2012 19:47
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35440976)
VM and Sky will have access to BT's matches however terms will be more favourable on BT Vision in my opinion , they've stumped up big money so surely they'll hope to increase their subscriber base , I wouldn't be shocked if the games are available PPV on Sky/VM/Freeview unless BT plan to snap up more content to warrant a 24/7 sports channel.
You could well be right about pay per view although I cannot see it interesting enough people to make it profitable. Sky have moved away from PPV in recently.

HDFootyMan 13-06-2012 19:49
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35440957)
Yes, that's what I thought would happen. I can't see BT playing Sky's game of monopoly.

We'll get it in HD too, you'll see. (That's my prediction, no source at this stage).
Again, I have no doubt we'll get it.

But how will we get it? As part of XL, or as a premium add-on channel? That's the key question here.

OLD BOY 13-06-2012 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HDFootyMan (Post 35440982)
Again, I have no doubt we'll get it.

But how will we get it? As part of XL, or as a premium add-on channel? That's the key question here.
Well, that we don't know yet. But I think that BT will play a lot fairer than Sky, so I don't have any major concerns at this stage.

However, my own personal opinion is that it will be a similar arrangement to the one currently in place with ESPN, and Setanta before that.

Virgin Media knows that this is a very popular arrangement.

MaverickJesus 13-06-2012 19:56
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football(Update)
 
BT don't have the TV customer base or the financial clout to make this economically viable if they keep it to themselves, they will whore out this deal to all and sundry and use it to slowly build momentum in the premium TV market.

It will be a premium add-on channel, at similar rates to ESPN.

Emel 13-06-2012 19:57
Re: ESPN may lose EPL Football(Update)
 
So BT's new sports channel will have one live football match a week during the football season. I think they need a bit more content than that to launch a sports channel.

A lot of sports rights are tied up at the moment, I wonder if there is a struggling sports channel out there they could do a deal with?


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