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summercat 06-06-2012 16:02
Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Hi guys. I recently had my virgin modem replaced with a super hub. Before I could easily change my ip as my modem was connected to my linksys router, so I could clone the mac address in the linksys settings and turn off the modem for a few minutes to change IP.

Can I change my internet IP address with the superhub? So far no luck.

Stephen 06-06-2012 16:04
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Why would you actually need to do this though??

qasdfdsaq 06-06-2012 16:06
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
You can only do this if you use your own router instead of the Superhub.

kwikbreaks 06-06-2012 17:54
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35437659)
Why would you actually need to do this though??
When there is obviously no legitimate reason for doing something it's better not to ask...

qasdfdsaq 06-06-2012 18:20
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
There are plenty of legitimate reasons. I do it all the time.

Milambar 06-06-2012 18:30
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Internet IP Address means "Internet Internet Protocol Address". Kinda like saying an ATM Machine.

The superhub afaik does not allow for the cloning of MAC addresses, therefore your best chance would be to place it into modem mode, and use your own router to clone a different MAC address.

boroboi 06-06-2012 21:11
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
One legitimate reason is to switch CPC's.

I have done this rather a lot to find the best line with least jitter and again, best base line latency. It's a lottery, but i finally got it... then comes finding the best upstream :D fun times...

kwikbreaks 07-06-2012 07:38
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35437700)
There are plenty of legitimate reasons. I do it all the time.
Ok so what are they?

Most of the ones I can think of are for avoiding restrictions placed on the IP in use and the usual reason for those restrictions is an abuse of the service in some way or another, or because limit lifting involves flashing the plastic.

Kymmy 07-06-2012 08:21
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
A simple mistake with some web hosts can mean a 24 block of your IP (for example caps lock on a password entered incorrectly 3 times and 1and1 will 24hour ban the IP.) It's happened to me before now and it's why I'd want to change IP's (if only for a brief period whilst I upload new content)

kwikbreaks 07-06-2012 09:15
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
That would be more likely to make me change web host....

I guess it's a valid enough reason though.

I was basing my assumptions on somebody I knew who as well as getting all his movies free refused to subscribe to the file hoster he mostly used because he could avoid the delay between downloads for free accounts by changing IP. I've seen other stuff on forums where people have been banned from some site or other by IP (a singularly stupid thing to do by the admin of course although I've done the same for my public webcam where the abuser was on a fixed IP).

Kymmy 07-06-2012 10:22
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
It's like the old usenet/P2P argument.. Although most use if for downloading movies/games there are legitimate uses for them.

The same for wanting to change over an IP... As for changing web hosts I'd rather have that bit of extra security than have someone sat there for a few hours trying to brute force a password.. It's my fault that I got locked out and not the webhost ;)

Telly_ 07-06-2012 10:46
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35437692)
When there is obviously no legitimate reason for doing something it's better not to ask...

Changing your IP on Virginmedia sometimes will connect you to a different port, hopefully a less congested one so it can be quite useful. Also some people like to set up more than 1 ping meter from there UBR.

So need a few different IP addresses.

qasdfdsaq 07-06-2012 11:48
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Complete rubbish.

Changing your IP will not connect you to a different port.

Changing your IP address will not allow you to set up more than one ping meter.

AbyssUnderground 07-06-2012 13:12
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
How about people stop worrying why he wants to do it and just tell him how? Why argue over it when it's not your problem? :)

jempalmer 07-06-2012 13:42
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35437660)
You can only do this if you use your own router instead of the Superhub.
?

Telly_ 07-06-2012 13:51
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35437903)
Complete rubbish.

Changing your IP will not connect you to a different port.

Changing your IP address will not allow you to set up more than one ping meter.
Actually I'm correct on both counts, the ping monitor is simply you log into thinkbroadband set up a ping monitor then log out. Change your IP log back in and set up a second ping meter. You may have to wait a day or 2 for your old ip to be picked up by another CPE.

Don't tell me you can't do it as I have done it.

You really don't do yourself any favours kid.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35437936)
?
A different MAC address will be asigned a new IP so if you have your own router you go in to setting and change 1 digit of the MAC address. When you reboot you'll pick up a new IP.

Its an almost infinite way of getting a new IP.(well, within your local IP pool)

jempalmer 07-06-2012 13:58
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Sorry Telly Bear, my question mark was in response to AbyssUnderground's post #14. qas had answered the OP's query which is why I quoted him. I didn't make myself clear :)

Sirius 07-06-2012 14:00
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
I have my deck chair and my popcorn however here's a question am i going to need a bucket of water to separate the fighters as well :LOL:

jempalmer 07-06-2012 14:06
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35437952)
I have my deck chair and my popcorn however here's a question am i going to need a bucket of water to separate the fighters as well :LOL:
I'm not fighting dude. I'm just explaining that Telly Bear misunderstood my reply which was my fault for not posting properly :dunce: It looked as though I didn't understand what qas meant. What I was trying to get across was that the OP's question had already been answered by qas. Hope that clears up any misconceptions :D

Telly_ 07-06-2012 14:26
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35437953)
I'm not fighting dude. I'm just explaining that Telly Bear misunderstood my reply which was my fault for not posting properly :dunce: It looked as though I didn't understand what qas meant. What I was trying to get across was that the OP's question had already been answered by qas. Hope that clears up any misconceptions :D

An I understand that I missunderstood your previous post and thankyou for clearing it up.:luv:

qasdfdsaq 07-06-2012 15:59
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35437939)
Actually I'm correct on both counts, the ping monitor is simply you log into thinkbroadband set up a ping monitor then log out. Change your IP log back in and set up a second ping meter. You may have to wait a day or 2 for your old ip to be picked up by another CPE.

Don't tell me you can't do it as I have done it.

You really don't do yourself any favours kid.
No, you're wrong on both counts and clearly don't have a clue how ping monitors or IP addresses work.

Just another clueless idiot spreading rubbish and misinformation... Get a life, "kid".

Sirius 07-06-2012 16:32
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35437953)
I'm not fighting dude. I'm just explaining that Telly Bear misunderstood my reply which was my fault for not posting properly :dunce: It looked as though I didn't understand what qas meant. What I was trying to get across was that the OP's question had already been answered by qas. Hope that clears up any misconceptions :D
Not aimed at you m8.

I cannot believe that people have diverted this thread just so they can nick pick at each other :LOL:

Hugh 07-06-2012 16:33
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
If you have disagreements, take it to PM - any further niggling posts will be deleted.

jempalmer 07-06-2012 16:42
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
So then, are we agreed that you cannot change your IP address with the SuperHub alone and that a separate router is required? I'm really interested as everything I have learned (admittedly very little, my bad) with regards to modems/routers is as a result of the people on this Forum. Not interested in causing or adding to any frictions, just want to learn.

Kymmy 07-06-2012 16:57
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jempalmer (Post 35437936)
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He means use a router instead of relying on the superhub for routing, i.e..modem mode. Then you can change the MAC of the router and hence get a new DHCP allocation.

jempalmer 07-06-2012 17:09
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Yes, thanks Kymmy. I have a DIR-615. I explained that my ? was in reply to Abyss' post. Unfortunately there was a misunderstanding, now corrected and Telly Bear sent love :)

Telly_ 07-06-2012 22:48
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35438003)
No, you're wrong on both counts and clearly don't have a clue how ping monitors or IP addresses work.

Just another clueless idiot spreading rubbish and misinformation... Get a life, "kid".
I'm correct, I still have 2 ping monitors from 2 previous IP address I had on Virginmedia and 1 from talktalk aswell as my Sky IP.

The ping monitor reponds by pinging an IP address if the device its connected to responds to pings it will show on the ping monitor. As you know as you have set-up ping monitors for commercial IP's. The ping monitor does not have to ping your connection, Just an IP address.

So you setup a ping monitor and the ping meter will ping it, then get a new IP but you don't delete your old IP ping monitor you just start a new one. Now for a while the first ping meter will show a big red result or nothing. Once a new CPE that is configured to respond to pings picks up that IP it will start showing results again.

As for changing port I often changed customer premise card on virginmedia when changing my IP. So quite politely I am correct.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35438012)
Not aimed at you m8.

I cannot believe that people have diverted this thread just so they can nick pick at each other :LOL:
If it was aimed at me I was only responding to...

Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Complete rubbish.

Changing your IP will not connect you to a different port.

Changing your IP address will not allow you to set up more than one ping meter.

jempalmer 07-06-2012 22:50
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Thank you Telly Bear for your gracious reply, I don't know how to invoke smileys apart from :)

qasdfdsaq 07-06-2012 23:27
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438155)
I'm correct, I still have 2 ping monitors from 2 previous IP address I had on Virginmedia and 1 from talktalk aswell as my Sky IP.
No, you're not.

You can enter any IP address you want into a ping monitor. Changing your VM IP has no bearing whatsoever on the number of ping monitors you can set up.

Quote:
As for changing port I often changed customer premise card on virginmedia when changing my IP. So quite politely I am correct
Correlation does not imply causation. Logic, and knowledge of how the cable system works however, does. Your CPE knows nothing of any IP address, and cannot even ask for one until after it has ranged and locked its channels, connected to a specific port, and negotiated it's configuration file.

So quite politely, you are clueless.

Telly_ 08-06-2012 09:02
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35438183)
No, you're not.

You can enter any IP address you want into a ping monitor. Changing your VM IP has no bearing whatsoever on the number of ping monitors you can set up.

Correlation does not imply causation. Logic, and knowledge of how the cable system works however, does. Your CPE knows nothing of any IP address, and cannot even ask for one until after it has ranged and locked its channels, connected to a specific port, and negotiated it's configuration file.

So quite politely, you are clueless.
You seem to be missing my point, I'm not saying I think its possible I'm saying I ACTUALLY DO IT lol.

When I was on VM if I changemy routers MAC address to a certain 1 it would get CPC-11 if I changed the last digits ofthat MAC address to 35 its would get CPC-16. So I'm not saying I'm a network guru, Infact I suspect I probably only know as little as you. But facts are facts lol.

I understand disconnecting and reconnecting would also cause a switch but certain MAC/IP combinations got the same CPC EVERY time. Must of just been a fluke.;). Also changing the MAC back to its original would get the same IP back. This is simply due to the way VM's IP "stick" to MACs. Incase you haven't noticed it is possible to have a static IP or a sticky IP. You're saying every reconnection is random ITS NOT.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438244)
You seem to be missing my point, I'm not saying I think its possible I'm saying I ACTUALLY DO IT lol.

When I was on VM if I changemy routers MAC address to a certain 1 it would get CPC-11 if I changed the last digits ofthat MAC address to 35 its would get CPC-16. So I'm not saying I'm a network guru, Infact I suspect I probably only know as little as you. But facts are facts lol.

I understand disconnecting and reconnecting would also cause a switch but certain MAC/IP combinations got the same CPC EVERY time. Must of just been a fluke.;). Also changing the MAC back to its original would get the same IP back. This is simply due to the way VM's IP "stick" to MACs. Incase you haven't noticed it is possible to have a static IP or a sticky IP. You're saying every reconnection is random ITS NOT.

If ignition wants to tell me I'm wrong fair enough as I'm like you and know very little about networks other than what I have read.

Telly_ 08-06-2012 23:06
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
So did the OP get things sorted?

horseman 09-06-2012 11:45
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438244)
You seem to be missing my point, I'm not saying I think its possible I'm saying I ACTUALLY DO IT lol.

When I was on VM if I changemy routers MAC address to a certain 1 it would get CPC-11 if I changed the last digits ofthat MAC address to 35 its would get CPC-16. So I'm not saying I'm a network guru, Infact I suspect I probably only know as little as you. But facts are facts lol.

I understand disconnecting and reconnecting would also cause a switch but certain MAC/IP combinations got the same CPC EVERY time. Must of just been a fluke.;). Also changing the MAC back to its original would get the same IP back. This is simply due to the way VM's IP "stick" to MACs. Incase you haven't noticed it is possible to have a static IP or a sticky IP. You're saying every reconnection is random ITS NOT.

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Perhaps reviewing > Brady Volpes < tutorial might also enlighten before Igni steps in? ;)
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kwikbreaks 09-06-2012 12:24
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
What he has said is correct so far as it goes and it is possible to keep a ping trace running on an old IP after it has been reassigned so long as the kit on it is set to respond to pings.

I think it's even correct to say that it will be reissued by the same CPC as that is an IP grouping but just what the benefit is of having a ping trace running on a connection when you have no idea of what it is being used for at any given time is beyond me.

Kymmy 09-06-2012 12:57
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
I suppose that if it does at very least swap CPC's then you can temporarily compare one set of pings with another but alas not at the same time so is there any true relevance to the data?? Though as many have pointed out once the lease goes you can't swap back to that IP anyway

qasdfdsaq 09-06-2012 14:16
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35438881)
What he has said is correct so far as it goes and it is possible to keep a ping trace running on an old IP after it has been reassigned so long as the kit on it is set to respond to pings.
Only insofar as you can put any IP address you want into the monitor, changing his own IP has no bearing on it whatsoever.

Quote:
I think it's even correct to say that it will be reissued by the same CPC as that is an IP grouping
Ideally, it would but not necessarily. The CPC doesn't issue any IP addresses.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35438892)
I suppose that if it does at very least swap CPC's then you can temporarily compare one set of pings with another but alas not at the same time so is there any true relevance to the data?? Though as many have pointed out once the lease goes you can't swap back to that IP anyway
There is no reliable way for a user to find out what CPC he is on anyway, in practice he would have to contact 2nd/3rd line VM staff to find out.

Telly_ 09-06-2012 14:21
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35438904)
Only insofar as you can put any IP address you want into the monitor, changing his own IP has no bearing on it whatsoever.

Ideally, it would but not necessarily. The CPC doesn't issue any IP addresses.

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There is no reliable way for a user to find out what CPC he is on anyway, in practice he would have to contact 2nd/3rd line VM staff to find out.
http://tools.virginmedia.com/ I suspect you have spent the weekend googling yourself senseless in a bid to find the hard fast facts that prove me incorrect. It must be most frustrating for you wanting so badly to be the networking guru you dream of. But with no hands on experience and little to no chance of ever getting any your never going to reach those dizzy heights of networking knowledge.

kwikbreaks 09-06-2012 15:12
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438911)
But with no hands on experience and little to no chance of ever getting any your never going to reach those dizzy heights of networking knowledge.
Throwing insults at somebody who has proved time without number that he does indeed know what he is talking about does not lend you any credibility at all.

qasdfdsaq 09-06-2012 15:31
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Bear (Post 35438911)
http://tools.virginmedia.com/ I suspect you have spent the weekend googling yourself senseless in a bid to find the hard fast facts that prove me incorrect.
Nothing on that page states what your CPC is. Reverse DNS is often in the right ballpark but is neither accurate or reliable.

I suspect you have spent the weekend googling yourself senseless in a bid to find the hard fast facts that prove me incorrect.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35438928)
Throwing insults at somebody who has proved time without number that he does indeed know what he is talking about does not lend you any credibility at all.
Tis' cool. I'm sure he enjoys the dizzying heights of judging the employment history of strangers on the internet.

Kymmy 09-06-2012 15:31
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Can I suggest that those throwing insults may be in danger of the mods/admins throwing infractions around in response to such insults.

Now back on topic please

boroboi 09-06-2012 17:42
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Clicking the connection tab at the top of the forum tells you what CPC you are on.

I've bounced around plenty of CPC's in the last month or so, some were worse than others, some were good for base latency but had more jitter, im guessing they are just routed differently, but the main issue was finding one that was more stable.

I'm on CPC1 at the moment, though it may mean nothing, the lower CPC's have been better than CPC15 or 16 for example, probably a coincidence though.

qasdfdsaq 27-06-2012 17:55
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Just to lend further weight to my statement your reverse DNS does *not* tell you what CPC you are on:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34707974-post234.html

taiwan 31-08-2012 00:57
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Hi guys,

First post since I registered 2 years ago.

Just wanted to say I've never seen such a childish thread in all my life. Why are you all trying to get one up on each other? Nobody cares how much you think you know.

Has anyone got to the bottom of whether or not using any method this is possible?

And yes, there are legitimate reasons for changing your IP. The addresses have been assigned to people before so for online gamers like myself you sometimes find yourself connecting to a server which has banned your IP in the past.

I have been banned from an online game by accident. The server owners have now unbanned me but some sort of bug on their end means the server is still refusing my connection. A change of IP would solve this and is a completely legitimate question to warrant this thread.

Could someone please provide relevant information?!

Thank you!

Kymmy 31-08-2012 09:50
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taiwan (Post 35469047)
Hi guys,

First post since I registered 2 years ago.

Just wanted to say I've never seen such a childish thread in all my life. Why are you all trying to get one up on each other? Nobody cares how much you think you know.

Has anyone got to the bottom of whether or not using any method this is possible?

And yes, there are legitimate reasons for changing your IP. The addresses have been assigned to people before so for online gamers like myself you sometimes find yourself connecting to a server which has banned your IP in the past.

I have been banned from an online game by accident. The server owners have now unbanned me but some sort of bug on their end means the server is still refusing my connection. A change of IP would solve this and is a completely legitimate question to warrant this thread.

Could someone please provide relevant information?!

Thank you!
If you have read the thread then you'll now exactly how to change the IP on a superhub.. and that is with modem mode and an external router..

Sirius 31-08-2012 10:50
Re: Change internet ip address using superhub?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35469089)
If you have read the thread then you'll now exactly how to change the IP on a superhub.. and that is with modem mode and an external router..
:tu:

Thats how i do it all the time.


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