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martyh 20-04-2012 17:59

IMF needs a sub ,and Britain obliges
 
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Britain is to commit a further £10bn to the International Monetary Fund's bailout war chest.
George Osborne has confirmed the UK will give the extra cash in the face of fresh fears about a new economic and financial crisis in Europe.
Although the loan is sizeable, the Chancellor will not have to seek Parliamentary approval because it narrowly falls within the headroom he already has to provide to the Fund.
It means that Britain's exposure to the IMF, which is deeply involved with the euro bail-outs, will rise from just under £30bn currently to around £40bn.



http://news.sky.com/home/business/article/16212857

I thought we where skint .Should we be exposing ourselves further to other countries debt and risking what little financial stability we have on other countries defaulting on the loans that we have given out

Maggy 20-04-2012 18:12

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No!

Uncle Peter 20-04-2012 18:42

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Where's Bono when you need him? can't he arrange a celebrity tax avoid... cough sorry whip-round?

RizzyKing 20-04-2012 19:04

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When i first saw this i thought it was a joke seriously many people in this country are hurting in many ways because of austerity but it seems we have the money when it suits us or can look good am i the only one thats confused. George osbourne really is turning out to be quite the prat this after his debacle of a budget and a string of ineffective at best policys methinks it's time for a change at no11. Won't hold my breath on that though as he is such a close pal of dave's it is going to take something staggeringly bad to get him out of there.

Osem 20-04-2012 19:09

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Let's not forget this amounts to a loan, our only concern should be whether or not we get it back at some point... :erm:

RizzyKing 20-04-2012 19:18

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"get it back":LOL::LOL::LOL: once it is given it is gone.

martyh 20-04-2012 19:22

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35416983)
When i first saw this i thought it was a joke seriously many people in this country are hurting in many ways because of austerity but it seems we have the money when it suits us or can look good am i the only one thats confused. George osbourne really is turning out to be quite the prat this after his debacle of a budget and a string of ineffective at best policys methinks it's time for a change at no11. Won't hold my breath on that though as he is such a close pal of dave's it is going to take something staggeringly bad to get him out of there.

I don't know about a prat mate ,but i think he's bloody magician or a liar .Did he honestly think that being able to all of a sudden magic up £10billion after telling us a few weeks ago that we where skint and couldn't afford this and that ,that this would sneak by without being noticed .
Who's going to bail us out when one of the countries defaults on their loans and sends our already faultering economy down the toilet and around the u bend

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35416987)
Let's not forget this amounts to a loan, our only concern should be whether or not we get it back at some point... :erm:

that's exactly what's worrying me Osem ,is it sensible to be lending countries who have possibly already gotten massive funding from the IMF even more increasing the chances of defaulting

Osem 20-04-2012 19:27

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35416996)
I don't know about a prat mate ,but i think he's bloody magician or a liar .Did he honestly think that being able to all of a sudden magic up £10billion after telling us a few weeks ago that we where skint and couldn't afford this and that ,that this would sneak by without being noticed .
Who's going to bail us out when one of the countries defaults on their loans and sends our already faultering economy down the toilet and around the u bend

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that's exactly what's worrying me Osem ,is it sensible to be lending countries who have possibly already gotten massive funding from the IMF even more increasing the chances of defaulting

Who knows but it may be us who's needing an IMF bailout at somepoint. We're in uncharted waters...

RizzyKing 20-04-2012 19:31

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If we stopped giving out money we wouldn't be so bad off in times like this i don't think it is unreasonable to reign in the money given out be it to the imf or the eu and conserve as much money as you can to take care of your national population. What bothers me with all this bailout business is it has to be paid for sometime and i can just see us in the future squandering more of the UK's cash to be the one to help pay for it and i no longer have any faith in any politician and their promises of this and that.

Loan has become a byword for blowing the cash in relation to some countries and the countries doing the loaning will be lucky to see any substantial amount of it back i just don't want the UK to be one of those countries.

martyh 21-04-2012 10:00

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Is it coincidence that the amount (£10billion) committed is identical to the amount he can commit without seeking parliamentary approval ,I think not .He knew full well that he would not get approval, so he tried to sneak this through raising as little fuss as possible .I would like to know how much the IMF really asked for.

martyh 21-04-2012 10:50

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35417205)
I'm puzzled: We don't have any money so we'd need to loan it from somebody else to be able to loan it to the IMF. So why don't the IMF go to that somebody else and leave us out of the circuit?

Or is this about posing on the world stage like with foriegn aid?

It's all about safeguarding jobs ......aparently.

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The UK Treasury pointed out that no country has ever lost money lending to the IMF in its 67-year history
is that correct ?and if so how much do we make from lending money .

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It says its contribution to the IMF is not public spending. All UK loans to the IMF are financed from the UK's Official Reserves, remain UK assets and do not contribute to public sector net debt.
Hold on minute .We have £10billion ,probably much more ,sitting around doing nothing for the country ,a "war chest" if you will .Surely such a fund is for emergencies and bad times ......like now ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17790831

Osem 21-04-2012 11:17

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No surprise to me - the Bank of England's been printing money like it was going out of fashion for quite some time. £10biliion? Simples..... ;)

martyh 21-04-2012 11:19

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35417224)
No surprise to me - the Bank of England's been printing money like it was going out of fashion for quite some time. £10biliion? Simples..... ;)

surely that devalues it though doesn't it ?

Osem 21-04-2012 11:32

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Yep.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/34...-the-currency/

Mick Fisher 21-04-2012 11:57

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35417205)
I'm puzzled: We don't have any money so we'd need to loan it from somebody else to be able to loan it to the IMF. So why don't the IMF go to that somebody else and leave us out of the circuit?

Or is this about posing on the world stage like with foriegn aid?

Exactly but we should add "at the expense of Grannies and Pasty manufacturers and to the detriment of the infirm and disabled." :mad:

martyh 21-04-2012 12:10

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Thinking about this more i find myself getting a tad annoyed.For the last couple of years the public has been told that we have no money and stringent cuts are needed to keep our head above water .Many of the public accepted this ,we accepted the cuts based on the government telling us that we have no money .Now i read that we have £billions sitting around for emergency ,some of which has been allocated for other countries use .Am i being naive ?,is this money not really there or is there a government account with £billions sitting in it ?.

Mick Fisher 21-04-2012 12:31

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George and Dave are up to the usual Tory ploy of attempting to make themselves and Britain look "Great" again while financially oppressing the population.

It's about time we had an administration that recognised that The Country can no longer afford to be a major world power and just concentrated on running to Country for the benefit of it's Citizens for once.

mertle 21-04-2012 13:25

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Originally Posted by Mick Fisher (Post 35417250)
George and Dave are up to the usual Tory ploy of attempting to make themselves and Britain look "Great" again while financially oppressing the population.

It's about time we had an administration that recognised that The Country can no longer afford to be a major world power and just concentrated on running to Country for the benefit of it's Citizens for once.

do agree.

Although we have to be mindful damage euro collapse could do. Surely its better invested in UK rather wasted somewhere else. Dont trust IMF, they say nobody lost money there saying there always first time.

I not been fond of the way austerity been rammed into working lower classes society or vunerable by so called expects who just happen to be the ones who would benefit from crushing those at the bottom. To me all about widen the gap make more money for the top absolute nothing to do with economy fiscal prudence. Countries 1 by 1 forced or in our case willing to lap up like sheep.

For all the austerity for what so we frith away those saving giving ot away to IMF and gift it to abroad like india. Sounds madness policies surely money in UK people hands spending into UK economy drives our economy.

Am I being naive or simplistic notion we need to invest into uk infrastructure. Try turn our economy or keep it ticking to9 hell with IMF. Would it be such big disaster to lose AAA when USA come looking alot better for it even though they went lost it. Aparantly already back to level they was at pre-bank crisis. Osbourne so paranoid about the AAA he lost sight the economy needs to be in good health to raise revenue to reduce defiecit. No good having AAA rating if the economy so weak it needs more borrowing no chance to recover.

We was told we have no money for to repair a reported costing 10bn in our roads now we know why. Osbourne robbing us dry.

We could used it on roads give it to british contractors got us jobs and work.

papa smurf 21-04-2012 14:35

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Originally Posted by mertle (Post 35417277)
do agree.

Although we have to be mindful damage euro collapse could do. Surely its better invested in UK rather wasted somewhere else. Dont trust IMF, they say nobody lost money there saying there always first time.

I not been fond of the way austerity been rammed into working lower classes society or vunerable by so called expects who just happen to be the ones who would benefit from crushing those at the bottom. To me all about widen the gap make more money for the top absolute nothing to do with economy fiscal prudence. Countries 1 by 1 forced or in our case willing to lap up like sheep.

For all the austerity for what so we frith away those saving giving ot away to IMF and gift it to abroad like india. Sounds madness policies surely money in UK people hands spending into UK economy drives our economy.

Am I being naive or simplistic notion we need to invest into uk infrastructure. Try turn our economy or keep it ticking to9 hell with IMF. Would it be such big disaster to lose AAA when USA come looking alot better for it even though they went lost it. Aparantly already back to level they was at pre-bank crisis. Osbourne so paranoid about the AAA he lost sight the economy needs to be in good health to raise revenue to reduce defiecit. No good having AAA rating if the economy so weak it needs more borrowing no chance to recover.

We was told we have no money for to repair a reported costing 10bn in our roads now we know why. Osbourne robbing us dry.

We could used it on roads give it to british contractors got us jobs and work.

i find hard understand what about this is .

Russ 21-04-2012 14:47

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I loved that clip on tv of him trying to justify it. He stressed it was 'just a loan' and 'like anyone else who loans out money, we intend to have it paid back'.

'Intend'.

devilincarnate 21-04-2012 17:58

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35417310)
I loved that clip on tv of him trying to justify it. He stressed it was 'just a loan' and 'like anyone else who loans out money, we intend to have it paid back'.

'Intend'.

Can we have the same APR as Quickquid if it is a loan:erm:

Nidge41 22-04-2012 10:49

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35416987)
Let's not forget this amounts to a loan, our only concern should be whether or not we get it back at some point... :erm:

Won't it be a loan to the IMF who will then loan it out at higher interest rates to other countries?

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35417241)
Thinking about this more i find myself getting a tad annoyed.For the last couple of years the public has been told that we have no money and stringent cuts are needed to keep our head above water .Many of the public accepted this ,we accepted the cuts based on the government telling us that we have no money .Now i read that we have £billions sitting around for emergency ,some of which has been allocated for other countries use .Am i being naive ?,is this money not really there or is there a government account with £billions sitting in it ?.

We are still bailing out India who have their own space programme.

budwieser 22-04-2012 12:22

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35417630)
Won't it be a loan to the IMF who will then loan it out at higher interest rates to other countries?

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We are still bailing out India who have their own space programme.

Yes mate, thats the bit that sticks in my throat too.:mad::td:

martyh 22-04-2012 12:30

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35417630)
Won't it be a loan to the IMF who will then loan it out at higher interest rates to other countries?
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It is a loan but is the money better invested in our country now rather than in some some other country for god knows how many years at a low interest rate who may or may not default .

Maggy 22-04-2012 13:22

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Originally Posted by Nidge41 (Post 35417630)




We are still bailing out India who have their own space programme.

To be fair the Indian government have said that they do not require any more charity hand outs and that they would like to stand on their own feet.

martyh 22-04-2012 13:26

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35417678)
To be fair the Indian government have said that they do not require any more charity hand outs and that they would like to stand on their own feet.

To which GB replied "you may as well have it ,we can't think of anything to with it "


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